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Post by madrock on Dec 13, 2011 11:01:36 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the "French Canadian Families in the United States" by Mary Martel is a published book? Or is it a unpublished family book? Is it in French or English?
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Post by mink on Dec 13, 2011 20:06:23 GMT -5
"Iowa" can even mean the diocese in which the party was born and baptized--and so they were called. Before 1844, Prairie du Chien was in the "Iowa" diocese, otherwise known as Dubuque. After 1844 John Martin Henni was created the bishop of Milwaukee and then Prairie du Chien fell under his jurisdiction. This changed again in 1868 when the La Crosse diocese was created and PdC remains under this see to this day.
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Post by mink on Dec 13, 2011 20:15:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the "French Canadian Families in the United States" by Mary Martel is a published book? Or is it a unpublished family book? Is it in French or English? Here's your answer, MR: www.martelfamily.iwarp.com/book.htm |
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Post by madrock on Dec 14, 2011 5:11:41 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the "French Canadian Families in the United States" by Mary Martel is a published book? Or is it a unpublished family book? Is it in French or English? Here's your answer, MR: www.martelfamily.iwarp.com/book.htmThanks Mink. I see the ROBINSON surname among the allied families. |
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 14, 2011 14:07:58 GMT -5
Dennis robinson was trading in Upper Mississippi Valley @1828. Ref. The American Fur
Company in The Upper Mississippi Valley. Rollo C. Keithahn. MA. Thesis. Univ. of Minn. 1929.
His son Thomas A. was with the Redwing Band in 1849.
Dennis robinson was killed Aug. 18,1862 near lower Sioux Agency,Minn.
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Post by mink on Dec 14, 2011 21:33:42 GMT -5
Dennis robinson was killed Aug. 18,1862 near lower Sioux Agency,Minn. Good work, Hermin!  Pretty bad end but it never ceases to amaze me what there is out there about these Mississippi traders and settlers if one knows where to look. I have seen the names of some of those killed at the Lower Sioux Agency but youi have just added one more. |
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Post by madrock on Dec 15, 2011 11:57:24 GMT -5
Dennis robinson was killed Aug. 18,1862 near lower Sioux Agency,Minn. That's information I had never seen before. Do you remember, without going to too much trouble, where you obtained that date and circumstance. This morning I have been going through seven different books that I have that include the events of the 1862 Uprising wondering how I missed Dennis Robinson being one of the first killed that day. But I didn't miss the information; it wasn't included in any of the books I have. The books did include James W. Lynd, Andrew Myrick, George W. Divoll, Francois LaBathe and A. H. Wagner. Also mentioned as being killed was Dr. Philander P. Humphreys, his wife and two children and Philander Prescott. Six others were killed but no names given: "two clerks were shot at the Louis Robert store" "and at the William H. Forbes establishment two men were killed" "A. H. Wagner . . . and two government employees were killed" Could be Dennis Robinson was one of those six. |
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Post by madrock on Dec 15, 2011 12:04:53 GMT -5
His son Thomas A. was with the Redwing Band in 1849. I have pp. 559-601 South Dakota Historical Collections "Reminiscence of Thomas A. Robertson (1839-1924)." He mentions that accompanied Thomas Robinson as a courier between Little Crow and Sibley but he doesn't mention that Thomas Robinson was the son of Dennis Robinson who was killed at the Agency on Aug. 18, 1862. |
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 15, 2011 15:53:45 GMT -5
Mad Rock: I believe Dennis Robinson was killed either at the Lower Agency or at that Ferry Crossing, along with Capt John Marsh and most of his troop. Actually Captain drowned.
Mad Rock you have been out on the golf course too long. hahha
almost everyone knows who Thomas A. Robinson was.His sister was Madeline, your distant ancestor.Thomas married several times:
1. Mary Jane Wakute aka Wagiwin(d/o Chief Wakute)
2. Mary Moran a mixed blood(Cree and French)
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Post by madrock on Dec 16, 2011 15:25:11 GMT -5
Mad Rock: I believe Dennis Robinson was killed either at the Lower Agency or at that Ferry Crossing, along with Capt John Marsh and most of his troop. Actually Captain drowned. Mad Rock you have been out on the golf course too long. hahha almost everyone knows who Thomas A. Robinson was.His sister was Madeline, your distant ancestor.Thomas married several times: 1. Mary Jane Wakute aka Wagiwin(d/o Chief Wakute) 2. Mary Moran a mixed blood(Cree and French) I wish I could get out on the golf course, LOL, getting cabin fever already. Maybe there'll be a January thaw! Haven't found documentation of Dennis Robinson's death yet. I feel sure it was not at the Ferry Crossing. Capt Marsh, interpreter Quinn and 46 enlisted men set out for the Lower Sioux. Twenty three were killed and one drowned (Marsh as you said). Twenty four made it back to Fort Ridgely. Don't know if Quinn was among the survivors or those killed. In checking out Ancestry.com, I found a Thomas C. Robinson marrying a daughter of Wakute but their Thomas C. was 20 years younger. Did find in "Through Dakota Eyes" (p. 216) that John Moores (1826-1899), son of Hazen Moores, settled a claim in Lake Benton, Lincoln, Minnesota and married a sister of Thomas Robinson's. No given name for this "new to me" daughter of Dennis Robinson. On the 1870 fed census for John Moores, it lists his wife as "Ann" and for race color it is an I & W written over one another. Can't tell which was superimposed over the other. I just pulled state & federal census data on Thomas Robinson (abt. 1826 - 1887) from 1857 - 1870. I need to edit it into readable data and will add it here, unless there is a thread for Thomas Robinson. |
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Post by mink on Dec 16, 2011 19:04:19 GMT -5
Mad Rock you have been out on the golf course too long. hahha almost everyone knows who Thomas A. Robinson was.His sister was Madeline, your distant ancestor.Thomas married several times: 1. Mary Jane Wakute aka Wagiwin(d/o Chief Wakute) 2. Mary Moran a mixed blood(Cree and French) Hermin, are you referring to the Thomas A. who was a courier between Little Crow AND General Sibley? That man was Thomas A. *Robertson* I am pretty sure. He is the subject of "Reminiscences" in the South Dakota Historical Collections, 20:590 [1940]. And he was also mentioned in a paper I read about the Redwood Ferry Crossing incident. ______________ I apologize for the goof. The thomas A wasThomas A. Robertson, son of Andrew Robertson . I did not know thomas robinson's Middle name until late yesterday at Ancestry. |
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Post by mink on Dec 16, 2011 20:01:49 GMT -5
Sorry--I looked back and saw you had distibguished between Thomas Robertson and Robinson. I am starting to lose track of what has been said in this long thread. Well--even Big Eagle, in his own account of the the uprising, mixed them up. He called the courier "Robinson" and so there had to be a footnote stating that there was a metis named Thomas Robinson who may have even accompanied Thomas A. Robertson on this go-between duty. The accounts of the Indians are here: collections.mnhs.org/MNHistoryMagazine/articles/38/v38i03p126-149.pdffor those who haven't yet read them. |
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 17, 2011 3:12:17 GMT -5
you are right Mink. both Thomas Robinson and Thomas A. Robertson were involved in that episode during the outbreak.
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Post by madrock on Dec 17, 2011 4:27:28 GMT -5
Footnote 39 from that account: When Thomas A. Robertson, a half-breed prisoner, delivered Little Crow's last note to Colonel Sibley on September 12, he also brought a secret communication from Chiefs Wabasha and Taopi in which they indicated they wanted to be taken under Sibley's protection and asked how it could be arranged. Robertson may have been accompanied by a similarily named half-breed, Thomas Robinson. See Folwell, Minnesota, 2:172; Whipple, Lights and Shadows, 111-114. - - - - In reading Folwell, Minnesota, 2:172 referenced above, it states the same as above except the sentence "Robertson may have been accompanied by a similarily named half-breed, Thomas Robinson." is not included. - - - - In reading "Reminiscence of Thomas A. Robertson, South Dakota Historical Collections", p.571-572, Robertson states: The Council that was being held finally decided to send an answer to this note of General Sibley's and chose two mixed bloods, one of whom was Thomas Robinson who was willing and ready to make the trip: but no other mixed blood was willing to take the chances and go with him. He, Tom [Robinson], came to me [Robertson] and told me this. I then said, "I will go with you if you can get Little Crow's consent". He [Robinson] said, "I will go to him and see what he says". Sometime after this he came back and said, Little Crow does not want you to go on this trip but told me to go and find sombody else. I have looked about but can find nobody. They are all afraid". I [Robertson] had known Little Crow since I could remember and knew he was friendly towards me and our family so after thinking the matter over a few minutes I [Robertson] concluded that perhaps he, Little Crow, did not want me to take the chances, so I [Robertson] said to Tom [Robinson], "Let's you and I go together and see him again". So we went and found him alone in his tent. When we went in and he saw me he said "Tunskuyolu" and told me to sid down beside him. then Tom [Robinson] told him that he had been to everyone of the mixed bloods, but none of them would consent to go except me; that this note of Sibley's should be answered but that he did not like to try to make the trip alone. then Little Crow, laughing, said, "Are you not afraid?" I [Robertson] said no that I was not afraid to go anywhere he [Little Crow] told me to. Then he (Little Crow) said, "You two can go then", and handed Tom [Robinson] the answer to General Sibley's note. Note: The brackets [ ] are my emphasis, the parens ( ) were Thomas A. Robertson's. It doesn't make much difference, both "Tom's" went but the "Reminiscence" corrects who accompanied who in Footnote 39 above. Somewhere else, "Through Dakota Eyes" I believe, Robinson was referred to as "Big Tom" and Robertson as "Little Tom" so there must have been confusion between to two Tom's even back then. In my Ebersold ancestry there are two Rudolph's, nephew and uncle, and the nephew is the older of the two by days. So family lore refers to the nephew as "Lame Rudy" [loggin accident] and the uncle as "Big Rudy." Need some more coffee . . . . Later . . . . |
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Post by mink on Dec 23, 2011 16:23:01 GMT -5
Sorry if any of this is repetition. "History of Trempealeau County, Wisconsin" www.archive.org/stream/historyoftrempea00curt/historyoftrempea00curt_djvu.txt"The first trapper to whom tradition ascribes a fur trading camp in Trempealeau County, after the early French explorers of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, was Joseph Roque,' a prominent interpreter and officer of the Indian department in the days when the British ruled over Mackinac and its western dependencies. Roque was much trusted by the British officers, and accompanied (1780) Wabasha on his raid against St. Louis and the forces of George Rogers Clark in Ilhnois. He ranked as lieutenant in the Indian service, and at the close of the Revolution remained in the pay of the British government, being likewise prominent in the fur trade. During the War of 1812-15 he was employed by the English authorities and accompanied Colonel William McKay as lieutenant and interpreter on his Prairie du Chien expedition in 1814. According to Winnebago tradi- tion, he had a wintering ground on a branch of Beaver Creek, not far from Galesville, and the occupancy of this region by him and a companion gave to this branch its name of French Creek. Joseph's half-breed son, Augustin, was likewise an interpreter in the service of the British. With his father he accompanied McKay's Prairie du Chien expedition of 1814 with the rank of lieutenant. At the conclusion of the war Augustin took up his home with Wabasha's Indians and established several trading posts on the upper Mississippi. The same Winnebago tradition that ascribes a camp in Trempealeau County to the father, Joseph, also ascribes a post on Beaver Creek to the son, Augustin. The Indian name of Beaver Creek, Seen-tah-ro-cah, is from St. Roque, the original French family name of this hunter. The valley was rich in beaver and elk, and hunting and trapping in this region were productive of rich results. In 1823 Augustin Roque accompanied Major Stephen H. Long's expedition, but his services were unsatisfactory. Some time before 1826 he seems to have had a trading post at the mouth of the Buffalo River. In 1826 he moved to the present site of Wabasha. Featherstonhaugh mentions this trading house on Lake Pepin in 1835 and gives his Indian name as Wahjustahchay, or Strawberry. The occupancy of this region by the trappers is also attested by documentary evidence. As early as 1820 Louis Grignon had a fur trading camp at Trempealeau Mountain, and the following year Augustin Grignon had a camp near the mouth of Black River, to which point he moved from a camp four miles below the Zumbro, which had been burned by the Wabasha Indians at the instigation of Joseph Rolette, who worked for a British firm. In 1824 Trempealeau Mountain was recommended to the superintendent of Indian affairs as a suitable place for the location of an Indian agent. It was described as being desirable because there was plenty of firewood and because it was convenient to Wabasha's band of Dakota, as well as the place where all the Winnebago and Menominee stopped in ascending and descending the Mississippi. Trempealeau Bay thus became a prominent rendezvous for trappers and traders, and favorite stopping place for river voyagers. |
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Post by madrock on Dec 24, 2011 10:11:10 GMT -5
Sorry if any of this is repetition . . . . History of Trempealeau County, Wisconsin . . . . The first trapper to whom tradition ascribes a fur trading camp in Trempealeau County, after the early French explorers of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, was Joseph Roque . . . . Beaver Creek . . . . French Creek . . . . I was born in April OMG 1936 in the living quarters in the back of a General Store in Trempealeau, Trempealeau Co., Wisconsin that was owned by my maternal grandfather. My father had come down from Buffalo County in late 1934 or early 1935 to work as a laborer during the building of Lock & Dam No. 6. He met and shortly after married my mother in July 1935. The general store, gone for many years now, was a couple blocks north of the Mississippi River. Three miles up river (which is west because of the bend in the river) is Trempealeau Mountain, still an amazing sight today. Heading northeast out across the prairie lands about seven miles from Trempealeau are French Creek and Beaver Creek. During the 40's and early 50's I visited both creeks several times with my father to seine minnows for the set lines he placed in the Mississippi to supplement the family food supply. Until I started researching family history 30-40 years ago, I had no clue whatsoever that those creeks were named after my ancestors. If my father knew, he never told anyone. There are times I wish I knew more about our family lore back then so I could have asked questions of those now deceased. Growing up back then, the oldest of 10 siblings, seems more interesting these days, but I still remember life was not that pleasant back then. Sorry for digressing, just had to talk a little of the ol' home town. |
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 24, 2011 11:58:14 GMT -5
I found out recently. that the old house we lived in alongthe Missouri in Sioux city, was brought up paddle wheel boat, and that we were living on the land previously owned by the Aungies aka St. Onges.My brothers would go fishing on the Missouri for fish to supplemnt our diet too. My mom would clean and stuff the fish with a ric e mixture, and put slice potatoes and stuffed tomatoes along the side and roast it. it was delisious!!!
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Post by mink on Dec 24, 2011 12:06:29 GMT -5
We are not getting any younger and it is our reminiscences that count now. Happy Holidays and a good New Year to everyone here!
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Post by mink on Jan 6, 2012 11:23:34 GMT -5
I just stumbled on this site--WOW! Has a mention of just about anybody involved with anything along the Mississippi in pioneer days. I bookmarked it for sure!
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Post by madrock on Jan 7, 2012 11:47:13 GMT -5
I just stumbled on this site--WOW! Has a mention of just about anybody involved with anything along the Mississippi in pioneer days. I bookmarked it for sure! Hi Mink. What link? Or did I miss something? |
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Pretty bad end but it never ceases to amaze me what there is out there about these Mississippi traders and settlers if one knows where to look. I have seen the names of some of those killed at the Lower Sioux Agency but youi have just added one more.