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Post by madrock on Nov 26, 2010 15:57:09 GMT -5
Joseph Rocque was born about 1811 at Prairie du Chien, Northwest Territory [now Wisconsin]. He was baptized 5 May 1817, age 6, at Prairie du Chien as Francois. He married Madaline Robinson 15 Jun 1837 at Prairie du Chien. [more on Madaline to follow].
Joseph's father was Augustin Rocque (1787-1856) and his mother was Angelique a Fox/Dakota woman. They were married 1806 in Prairie du Chien.
Augustin's father was Joseph Rocque (1746-1817) and his mother was La Bleu a Mdewakanton woman, the daughter of old Wabasha (aka Wapahasha I) He was born in Varennes, Canada
Joseph Rocque (1746-1817) and his son Augustin Rocque (1787-1856) were the earliest settlers at the lower end of Lake Pepin on the Mississippi River. Both also served as scouts/interrupters for the British. They trapped and traded in what are now the Minnesota counties of Winona and Wabasha and the Wisconsin counties of Buffalo and Trempealeau.
Joseph Rocque (1811-1875) lived most of his life in Wabasha, Minnesota. He and his wife Madaline donated land to the St. Felix Church which is known as the Rocque Addition and part of the St. Felix Cemetery. This Joseph and a few other early Wabash residents floated logs down from Mendota to be used for the first catholic chapel in Wabasha, Minnesota.
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Post by madrock on Nov 26, 2010 16:09:49 GMT -5
Madaline Robinson (1810-1904) married Joseph Rocque (1811-1875) on 15 Jun 1837. Information that I have collected on Madaline follows:
[AKA]
Given names: Madaline, Madeleine, Madeline, Adeline, Magdalena
Maiden surnames: Robinson, Roberson
Married surnames: Roc, Roque, Rock
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[BURIAL]
Madaline Robinson Rocque is buried in the St. Felix Cemetery, Wabasha, MN next to her daughter Josephine Rocque Ebersold. The inscription on her tombstone reads: Magdalena Rocque, 1810-1904, She was a kind and affectionate wife, A fond mother, and friend to all
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[OBITUARY]
WABASHA HERALD
Wabasha, Minnesota, Thursday, April 21, 1904
Mrs. Joseph Rocque, relict of the late Joseph Rocque, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Charles Ebersold, of Buffalo County, Wisconsin, on Wednesday. The remains were brought here from Alma on Saturday. The funeral occured from St. Felix church, Father Wurst officiating. The interment was in St. Felix Cemetery.
Deceased's maiden name was Robinson. She was born in what is now St. Paul, Minn., in 1810, her father being a Frenchman and her mother a Sioux of Little Crow's band of Indians.
She came to Wabasha previous to 1838 and lived here, up to the death of her husband a few years ago.
She was a good Christian woman and in the early days she and her husband took a very active part in the up building of the St. Felix Catholic parish. In the early days when most of the people in the parish were poor and the little church here struggling for an existence, the Rocques often came to its support in a financial way. It was Joseph Rocque and the subject of this sketch that gave, free of charge, to the St. Felix church the old portion of the present St. Felix Cemetery upon the one condition that himself and wife be furnished a lot free of charge in which they might repose when death released them.
Ninety-four is a good, round old age to live. It has been a history making epoch and a pity it is that the valuable experiences, through which this aged lady has passed and the events of which she had a personal knowledge, could not have been written.
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[TIMELINE]
1810: Born in Minnesota Territory in an area which is now St. Paul, Minnesota. [Source: April 21, 1904 obituary, Wabasha Herald]
1830: Dennis Robinson (her father) & family arrives in Wabashaw area, Minnesota Territory. [Source: April 21, 1904 obituary, Wabasha Herald]
15 Jun 1837: Madeline Robinson marries Joseph Rocque in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin. [Source: Crawford County (Prairie du Chien), Wisconsin courthourse records transcription]
20 Jul 1850: Madelene Rocque, age 28, is living in the county of Wabashaw, Territory of Minnesota with husband Joseph Rocque. Children listed are Joseph, Jr. age 10; Domitille (Mathilda) , age 8; Baptiste, age 9; Louis Joseph (Josephine) age 2 [Source: 7th Federal Census]
30 Jun 1860: Madeline Rocque, age 43, is living in county of Wabashaw, State of Minnesota with husband Joseph Rocque. Children listed are Baptist, age 20; Mathilda, ago 14, Josephine age 12, Leander, age 5; Felix, age 1 [Source: 8th Federal Census]
08 Jun 1865: Madaline Rocque, female, is living in city of Wabasha, Wabasha County, Minnesota with husband, Jo Rocque. Children listed are Matilda, Josephine and Felix. [Source: 1865 Minnesota State Census]
01 Jun 1870: Magdalena Rock, 50 yr. old female Indian, is living in Town of Alma, Buffalo County, Wisconsin with husband Joseph Rock, 50 yr. old male Indian. Only child listed is Felix, 12 yr. old male Indian. [Source: 9th Federal Census]
20 Feb 1875: Madeline Rocque's husband, Joseph Rocque, dies in Buffalo County, Wisconsin. [Source: St. Felix church records, Wabasha, Minnesota]
10 Feb 1876: Adeline Rock, [Her given name was spelled Adaline with the second "a" crossed out and corrected with an "e."] widow of Joseph Rock, purchases 80 acres of homstead land. [ S½ - SE - 8 - 22- 12 ] Land description: "South half of the South East quarter of Section eight; in Township twenty two of Range twelve West; in the District of Lands subject to sale at La Crosse Wisconsin containing Eighty acres;" [Source: Homestead Certificate No. 3107, Application 4644, downloaded copy of Title Transfer from BLM website]
26 Feb 1876: Deeded the 80 acres to Charles Ebersold, Jr. [Source: Transcription from Donna Carothers,Register of Deeds, Buffalo County, Wisconsin]
02 Jan 1889: Madaline Rocque, age 82, living with daughter-in-law Susan (widow of Felix Rocque) in the Wabashaw Settlement since May 20, 1886. [Source: 1889 supplement to the 1886 Minnesota Mdewakanton Census]
15 Mar 1899: Living in Wabasha, Minnesota, listed as an 87 year old female Full Blood. Exact address not recorded. Also listed Adeline Wiegle (nee Abersold), [Source: Census of the Medawakanton Sioux of Minnesota by James McLaughlin, March 15/17, 1899]
18 Jun 1900: Living in the household of Charles Wiegele, listed as Grandmother in Law. Also listed was Charles' wife Adeline Ebersold Wiegele, children Josephine, Louise, & Leo. [Source: 12th Federal Census]
13 Apr 1904: Mrs. Joseph Rocque dies at the home of her daughter, Josephine (Rocque) Ebersold in town of Tell, Buffalo County, Wisconsin [Source: April 21, 1904 obituary, Wabasha Herald]
16 Apr 1904: Magdalena Roque interred at St. Felix Cemetery, Wabasha, Minnesota [Tombstone photograph taken in cemetery]
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Post by madrock on Nov 26, 2010 17:02:35 GMT -5
hermin1: In another thread [Joseph Jack Frazer? Fraizer?] you mention Dennis Robinson was of Scotch-Irish descent: My records show that Joseph Rocque married madeleine Robinson, daughter of Dennis robinson of Scotch -Irish descent and a full blood Mdewakanton sioux woman. madeleine's brother was thomas robinson, the husband of Wagiwin/Mary Jane Wakute. In her obituary it says "her father [was] a Frenchman" so I'm confused on the European ancestry. - - - - - In footnote 11, page 216 "THROUGH DAKOTA EYES," it states "Thomas Robinson was the son of Dennis Robinson and a Mdewakanton woman. He was born in about 1826. In 1856 he was living at Wabasha and was married to a daughter of Wakute." There was no mention of Thomas' or Dennis' European ancestry. Other references to Thomas Robinson in the book get confusing "The Robertson boys [Thomas A. Robertson and Thomas Robinson] page 173. Other pages in the index for Thomas Robinson are actually for Thomas Robertson. In Taopi's Statement he mentions "two young men, Thomas Robertson and Thomas Robinson, who carried the letter to General Sibley, out be be rewarded." In Gabriel Renville's Memoir pp.273 it lists a Sibley's scouts. one of which is Thomas Robinson. But I think I can make a reasonable assumption that this Thomas Robinson, son of Dennis Robinson and a Mdewakanton woman is a brother to Madaline Robinson Rocque so I'll keep looking for other sources. In some other writing, I'm almost positive that I found mention of Dennis Robinson being a mixed-blood [French/Dakota]. I'll keep looking for that paper. |
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 27, 2010 11:09:33 GMT -5
Mad Rock: thanks so much for the addtional information you found.
Thomas Robertson was the son of Jane Anderson and Andrew Robertson, who was aScottish trader up around the Minnesota.thmas tooo was a scout for the Army.
There was a trader named Thomas Robinson(not the son of Dennis and the Dakota/fox woman) mentioned in the literature re. Minnesota history. he married a Mdewakanton or Dakota woman and they had a daughter.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 27, 2010 18:48:38 GMT -5
madRock: At one of my haunts,Metis-Gen I found a GED-COM for Joseph Rocque. it mentions that he baptized his children at Mackinac Michigan According to the GEDCOM, Augustine,SR. was married to Agatha, a 1/2fox,1/2 Dakota .they were married officially 17 APr. on the Minnesota river"Officially"/ his second wife was Helene a 1/2 fox,1/2 Dakota woman, whom he wed after 1850. here is a link to the 1850 Census for Wabashaw county District 1,Dubuque,IA img541.imageshack.us/img541/6384/baptisteandaugustinrocq.jpg_____ Correction: Augustin,Sr. married Agathe/Agatha on 17 Apr. 1846, "Officially" on the minnesota river. |
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Post by madrock on Nov 28, 2010 17:59:38 GMT -5
madRock: At one of my haunts,Metis-Gen I found a GED-COM for Joseph Rocque. it mentions that he baptized his children at Mackinac Michigan According to the GEDCOM, Augustine,SR. was married to Agatha, a 1/2fox,1/2 Dakota .they were married officially 17 APr. on the Minnesota river"Officially"/ his second wife was Helene a 1/2 fox,1/2 Dakota woman, whom he wed after 1850. What was the year of the 17 April marriage? I believe (but could be wrong) that the gedcom mixes the data of two of Joseph Rocque's children. What follows is from "The Origins of the Roc/Rock Family of Prairie du Chien and Wabasha" Frontier Genealogy Among The Voyageurs, THE GENEALOGIST Spring 1997 Volume 11, No. 1 that was written by James L. Hansen, F.A.S.G.: Joseph Rocque, b. ca. 1785, bp. (as Augustin Joseph) 19 May 1798, age 13, at St. Charles Mo., (Parish records of St. Charles, MO) and died in the fall of 1835 at his trading post at Little Rock on the Minnesota River. (Sibley's papers). Based on the birthdates of his children he was probably married twice, most likely to Indian or mixed-blood women, but not of Sioux blood. (Mixed-blood script affidavit's 1855) Augustin Roc, b. Jan 1787, bp. 8 Aug 1787 at Michilimackinac. Augustin only had one wife, Angelique. But as you will see in my next reply, the 1850 census records her as Agatha. I wish I could view your ged-com file. |
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Post by madrock on Nov 28, 2010 18:01:03 GMT -5
The pdf image link is a "snapshot" of page 4 of the 1850 federal census of District No.1, County of Wabashaw, Territory of Minnesota. It is an unusual enumeration of Augustin, his wife Angelic (written as Agatha), his son Jean Baptiste LaFramboise (written as Baptiste), and his granddaughter Pauline (by daughter Therese). The four of them appear in two households. Why this happened is unknown with many possibilities. Was Agatha(Angelic) at her son's abode when the enumertor visited? Was there marital difficulties? Whatever the reason does not matter. The four Rocques are identified and sorted out below: - - - - - Regarding lines 21 and 22 of the "snapshot" image: The 25 year old male, Baptiste Rocque, enumerated as head of household 34, family 34 on the 1850 United States Federal Census for District No. 1 in the County of Wabashaw Territory of Minnesota is determined to be Jean Baptiste LaFramboise Rocque who was born in February 1828 at Dubuque, baptised 31 May 1829 at Prairie du Chien according to "The Origins of the Roc/Rock Family of Prairie du Chien and Wabasha" Frontier Genealogy Among The Voyageurs, THE GENEALOGIST Spring 1997 Volume 11, No. 1 that was written by James L. Hansen, F.A.S.G. Mr. Hansen is the Reference Librarian and Genealogical Specialist, State Historical Society of Wisconsin. Hansen goes on to say he was "youngest son of Augustin Rock" in Augustin's 1855 mix-blood script affidavit. Line 21, page 4 of the 1850 census further gives Baptiste's profession or trade as a Farmer, that he was born in Dubuque, Iowa, and that he could not read & write. No color (White, Black or Mullato) description was stated. Line 22, page 4 of the 1850 census lists Agatha Rocque, a 66 year old female was born in Dubuque, Iowa, and that she could not read & write. No color (White, Black or Mullato) description was stated. This is assumed to be Angelic (or Angelique) and a misspelling by the enumerator. It couldn't be a misunderstanding because the enumerator, Alexis Bailly knew Augustin for many years. [I thought Agatha & Angelique might be variants of one or the other, but nothing found to verify it) - - - - - Regarding lines 23 and 24 of the "snapshot" image: The 55 year old male, Augustin Rocque, enumerated as head of household 35, family 35 on the 1850 United States Federal Census for District No. 1 in the County of Wabashaw Territory of Minnesota is determined to be Augustin Rocque who was born about January 1787, baptised 8 August 1787 at Michilimackinac, married about 1806 to Angelique, the daughter of a Fox father and a Sioux mother of the Mdewakanton band, died between 10 December 1856 and 23 February 1857, probably at Wabasha, Minnesota Territory. This was taken from "The Origins of the Roc/Rock Family of Prairie du Chien and Wabasha" Frontier Genealogy Among The Voyageurs, THE GENEALOGIST Spring 1997 Volume 11, No. 1 that was written by James L. Hansen, F.A.S.G. Mr. Hansen is the Reference Librarian and Genealogical Specialist, State Historical Society of Wisconsin. Hansen goes on to say, in reference to this enumeration, "As Augustin grew older his reported age fluctuated wildly. the [55] in the 1850 was low, as twelve years earlier in the 1838 roll of mixed-bloods he was listed as [58]." Hansen opines in the footnote to that statement that Augustin and other early Prairie du Chien settlers overstated their age to increase their authority in applications and affidavits. Line 23, page 4 of the 1850 census further gives his profession or trade as a Trader, that he was born in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin, and that he could not read & write. No color (White, Black or Mullato) description was stated. Line 24, page 4 of the 1850 census lists Pauline Rocque, a 19 year old female, born at Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin. Being she was not over 20 years of age no indication was made whether she could read & write. No color (White, Black or Mullato) description was stated. Hansen in another footnote identifies this Pauline as Augustin's granddaughter and her mother Therese, Augustin's 6th child, who died after 1836 and before 1855, probably before 1848. - - - - - Additional information: Not shown on the "snapshot" image, but on the same page 4 of the 1850 United States Federal Census for District No. 1 in the County of Wabashaw Territory of Minnesota is household 32, lines 12-17 containing Joseph Rocque & family. Line 12 contains the 43 year old male Joseph Rocque (another son of the above Augustin). Line 13 contains the 28 year old female Madeline Rocque (formerly Robinson, wife of Joseph). Line 14 contains the 10 year old Joseph Rocque, Jr. Line 15 contains the 8 year old female Domitille (identified by James Hansen as Mathilda). Line 16 contains the 9 year old male Baptiste (identified by James Hansen as Jean Baptiste). Line 17 contains a two year old male Louis Joseph (identified by James Hansen as a female Josephine) - - - - - Two pages earlier, page 2, at dwelling visited 18, family 18, line 35 we find Catherine (Rocque) (Lariviere) LaPointe, oldest daughter of Augustin Rocque. Catherine first married Michel Lariviere in 1827. They have four children, two of whom are enumerated in dwelling visited 19, family 19; Peter, head of household and younger brother Michell, lines 39 & 40). Catherine widows in 1834 and marries Francois Lapointe, line 34, in 1836. They have three children Xavier (line 36), Philomen (line 37) and Scolastic (line 38) Also, two pages earlier, page 2, at dwelling visited 25, family 25, lines 27, 28, 29 & 30 we find Louis Rocque, Nancy Rocque, Mary Jane Hudson & Edward Hudson. Louis (born about 1813 in Prairie du Chien) is the fourth child of Augustin Rocque (household 35 above) and younger brother of Joseph Rocque (household 32 above) - - - - - This census contains Augustin, his wife and four of his children. It does not contain the names of his other three children who died before 1850: 1. Augustin (born about 1807, baptised 5 May 1817 at age 10) marries a Menominee woman, Lajouseuse, in 1835 and he dies about 1838/39. They had a child, Pauline (born about 1833). Pauline was included with her grandfather Augustin. 2. Angelique (born about 1815 and died young without having children) 3. Therese (born about 1820 and dield young without having children) - - - - - |
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Post by madrock on Nov 28, 2010 19:00:43 GMT -5
madRock: At one of my haunts,Metis-Gen I found a GED-COM for Joseph Rocque. it mentions that he baptized his children at Mackinac Michigan According to the GEDCOM, Augustine,SR. was married to Agatha, a 1/2fox,1/2 Dakota .they were married officially 17 APr. on the Minnesota river"Officially"/ his second wife was Helene a 1/2 fox,1/2 Dakota woman, whom he wed after 1850. I missed the following earlier on page 13 in the Hansen article. It does give a year to the 17 April marriage and explains the confusion of a second wife, Helene. Still puzzled with the name Agatha on the 1850 census. - - - - - About 1806 Augustin married Angelique, a cousin of the "present Chief Wabasha61, and the daughter of a Fox father and a Sioux mother. 62 Like many of the early settlers in the upper Mississippi River valley, he married in the Indian fashion. The marriage was civilly recognized on 27 May 1823 at Prairie du Chien, where the "bride" was identified as "Angelique, a Sioux woman." 63 When their marriage was blessed by the Catholic Church "at Lake Pepin" on 17 April 1846, she was listed as Helene Winocinca Wakan, age 56. 64 That "Helene" was indeed Angelique is indicated in a letter from about 1854 where Augustin indicated he had been married to Angelique for 55 years, probably like Augusin's age something of an exaggeration. 6561 The Wabasha who was chief in 1855. He was the third to use the name (Charles C. Willson, "The Successive Chiefs named Wabasha," Collections of the Minnesota Historical Society, 12[St. Paul, 1908]:510-512).
62 Affidavits of Augustin Rock #31, and Baptiste Rock, #33, Sioux reserves, 1855
63 "Crawford County, Wisconsin Marriages"
64 Records of the Cathedral of St. Paul, Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis Archives, St. Paul
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 29, 2010 14:58:30 GMT -5
madRock: I am so sorry. I forgot to scan and upload the printout for you.In order to even see that darn thing, you have to have a program that opens it, which I have. here is the printout of the GEDCOM: img522.imageshack.us/img522/5197/rocquefamgedcom1.jpgBetween your data and the data on the GEDCOM printout. I am now scratching my head. |
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 29, 2010 16:11:07 GMT -5
madRock:
the census takers were- back then,and up to recently-are instructed to list every person who is in the household on the date of the census.Back in 1850, he relationship of each person in the household to the head of the household was not listed.
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Post by madrock on Nov 30, 2010 9:00:31 GMT -5
madRock: I am so sorry. I forgot to scan and upload the printout for you.In order to even see that darn thing, you have to have a program that opens it, which I have. here is the printout of the GEDCOM: img522.imageshack.us/img522/5197/rocquefamgedcom1.jpgBetween your data and the data on the GEDCOM printout. I am now scratching my head. The single sheet printout has me puzzled as well. Some of it matches James Hansen's work, but some of it is "close." Hansen stated it is difficult trying to identify individuals when the same name is used. There were "four Josephs and four Augustins in three generations, and three Roc[que] women (including two named Catherine) marrying three Lapointe men (including two named Charles)." That's why I have to add birth & death dates to each name to keep myself from getting confused with what I write!! By the way, Hansen refers to the family as "Roc" throughout the article, except when specifically referring to a document where the name was spelled "Rock" or some other derivative. The researcher in the Ged.com uses LAROCQUE. I have Family Tree Maker which accepts ged.com files. What do you use? |
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Post by madrock on Nov 30, 2010 9:06:05 GMT -5
madRock: the census takers were- back then,and up to recently-are instructed to list every person who is in the household on the date of the census.Back in 1850, he relationship of each person in the household to the head of the household was not listed. Hansen said in referring to the 1836 census of Praire du Chien that it could be assumed, in that hurried up enumeration, that the sheriff did not even visit the dwelling. I wonder if that is when people stated saying "Close enough for government work?" |
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 30, 2010 10:47:55 GMT -5
madrock: I use a free GedCom viewer program called Ged View 107.it is really neat. I do not have a program that creats GEDCOMS, though. do you ? If so what do you Use?
since Hansen was not living back then, I'd take his assumption with a grain of salt.
Re. the number of rocques with the same first name, I know where you are coming from.
I have 26 womaen in my files with the same Indian name Cekpawin. I number them #1 ,#2... and so on. I also include data that distinguishes the person from the others .
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 30, 2010 11:12:40 GMT -5
madRock: I am guessing that the Joseph Rock/Rocque b.@1785, baptized in St. Charles,MO at Age 13,as Augustin-Joseph ,may be your Augustin,SR. Remember, Joseph Rock/Rocque was a fur trader, so it would not be unusual for he and his family( or possibly Jospeh with his son Joseph or Augustin-Joseph) to be in Missouri back then on business for his fur trade,since that was one of the hubs in Mo for the Fur trade. below is a link to St. charles,MO history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Charles,_Missouri#History |
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Post by madrock on Nov 30, 2010 21:15:04 GMT -5
madRock: I am guessing that the Joseph Rock/Rocque b.@1785, baptized in St. Charles,MO at Age 13,as Augustin-Joseph ,may be your Augustin,SR. Remember, Joseph Rock/Rocque was a fur trader, so it would not be unusual for he and his family( or possibly Jospeh with his son Joseph or Augustin-Joseph) to be in Missouri back then on business for his fur trade,since that was one of the hubs in Mo for the Fur trade. below is a link to St. charles,MO history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Charles,_Missouri#History Not "my Augustin, SR," that guy was from your LAROCQUE gedcom file. The "Joseph Rock/Rocque b. @ 1785" or "Augustin Larocque Sr. b. may 1774-87 gedcom file' is not my direct ancestor. He is a brother to my g-g-g-grandfather Augustin Roc[que] b. Jan 1787. My Roc[que] lineage:Augustin Roc[que] b. 23 Aug 1715 Joseph Roc[que] b. 13 Sep 1746 Augustin Roc[que] b. Jan 1787Joseph Roc[que] b. abt. 1811 Josephine Roc[que] Ebersold b. abt. 1847 August Ebersold b. 1881 Ralph Ebersold b. 1907 (me, madrock) Dale Ebersold b. 1936 The GEDCOM Augustin Larocque SR lineage:Augustin [La]Roc[que] b. 23 Aug 1715 Joseph [La]Roc[que] b. 13 Sep 1746 Joseph [La]Roc[que] b. 1785, baptised as Augustin Joseph in St. Charles, MO(this latest Joseph b. 1785 had four children, Joseph, Therese, Josette Charlotte & Andrew probably by two marriages to Indian or mixed-blood women who were not of Sioux blood. My Roc[que] lineage married Indian or mixed-blood women, all of Sioux blood [more correctly identified as Dakota Mdewakanton women]. Whoever developed the LAROCQUE gencom file has inaccurately mixed the wives of Joseph [La]Roc[que] b. 1785 and his brother Augustin Roc[que] b. Jan 1787. (Note: I spent this afternoon adding my family tree to the list of public family trees on Ancestry.com. I mainly made the Ebersold connection to the Rocque line and will be adding more data as time permits.) |
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Post by madrock on Nov 30, 2010 21:30:49 GMT -5
madrock: I use a free GedCom viewer program called Ged View 107.it is really neat. I do not have a program that creats GEDCOMS, though. do you ? If so what do you Use? since Hansen was not living back then, I'd take his assumption with a grain of salt. Re. the number of rocques with the same first name, I know where you are coming from. I have 26 womaen in my files with the same Indian name Cekpawin. I number them #1 ,#2... and so on. I also include data that distinguishes the person from the others . I use Family Tree Maker software to create or read GEDCOM files. Hansen's "assumptions" are backed by primary source documents. When his article was published and I compared it with family lore that I had collected over many, many year, I found all of my collection matching up with what he published. What I gained was valuable primary source documents to add to my "casual" treatment of genealogy. Thanks for sticking with me on this [La]Roc[que] thread. I have one more post I want to make on the Joseph "Jack" Frazer/Fraizer thread. He is descended from Joseph Roc[que] b. 13 Sep 1746 and his second wife Harpiston. I am descended from Joseph Roc[que] b. 13 Sep 1746 and his first wife La Bleue. |
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Post by thomaswakute on Dec 2, 2010 15:53:05 GMT -5
I have the whole Wakute Family Tree on a 6 foot scrool - yes Mazaozanzan was Wakute junior and Wakute's son - He had two son's Thomas and Samual...I can go on...
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 2, 2010 17:46:40 GMT -5
madRock, you may have misinterpreted my statement re, taking Hansen's assumption as a grain of salt,and I must apologize for not being clearer. I was referring to Hansen's statement re. the cenus takers in Minnesota Territory in 1836.
You mentioned that the census taker back then was Alexis Bailey, who knew the Rocks well. which would make sense that he would not have actually visited the occupants in the house then. I have no disagreement with Mr. hansen's findings. He is tops in my book,re. genealogy.
the information re. the Joseph rock baptized in st. charles Missouri...is from Hansen's article, that you have been quoting from.
That one page Gedcom print-out has had me scratching my head. I am glad you posted your information and that of Mr. hansen. it has helped clear up my confusion re. your rock family.
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Post by madrock on Dec 3, 2010 19:23:39 GMT -5
I have the whole Wakute Family Tree on a 6 foot scrool - yes Mazaozanzan was Wakute junior and Wakute's son - He had two son's Thomas and Samual...I can go on... I'm confused! Their connection to the "Rocque Family - Wabasha MN & Prairie du Chien" is what? Did you mean to start a new thread? |
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Post by madrock on Dec 3, 2010 19:33:57 GMT -5
madRock, you may have misinterpreted my statement re, taking Hansen's assumption as a grain of salt,and I must apologize for not being clearer. I was referring to Hansen's statement re. the cenus takers in Minnesota Territory in 1836. You mentioned that the census taker back then was Alexis Bailey, who knew the Rocks well. which would make sense that he would not have actually visited the occupants in the house then. I have no disagreement with Mr. hansen's findings. He is tops in my book,re. genealogy. the information re. the Joseph rock baptized in st. charles Missouri...is from Hansen's article, that you have been quoting from. That one page Gedcom print-out has had me scratching my head. I am glad you posted your information and that of Mr. hansen. it has helped clear up my confusion re. your rock family. hermin1: Sorry, got busy on another family line. Had a couple good pieces of info come in and I wanted to stay with it while it was hot. Still need to get Hansen's commentary on Joseph Jack Frazer typed up and added to the Frazer? Fraizer? thread. I've been trying to find another copy of Hansen's work. I don't want to let go of my copy. Will be back later . . . . after the weekend. All the Best. |
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