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Post by twilyumz on Feb 1, 2012 15:30:52 GMT -5
Hi, I truly appreciate your forums and the effort you put into helping those you can. Now I need your help. I am looking for John Star from Sisseton. His son is Alex Spider and Annie Standfast. Also I am looking for any info on Asa Lovejoy, marriages, baptismals, etc... Thank you in advance.
T.Williams
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Post by madrock on Feb 1, 2012 17:03:04 GMT -5
Hi, I truly appreciate your forums and the effort you put into helping those you can. Now I need your help. I am looking for John Star from Sisseton. His son is Alex Spider and Annie Standfast. Also I am looking for any info on Asa Lovejoy, marriages, baptismals, etc... Thank you in advance. T.Williams Do you have access to Ancestry.com? If you don't I will do a search on there for you for historic information and family trees. |
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Post by twilyumz on Feb 1, 2012 17:07:21 GMT -5
I'd sure appreciate any help.
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Post by madrock on Feb 2, 2012 6:42:11 GMT -5
I'd sure appreciate any help. I searched Ancestry.com for the four names you mentioned. Did not find any information on a John Star, father of Alex Spider and Annie Standfast. Did find an Alex/Elick Spider (b. 1872 South Dakota, d. 1947 South Dakota) in the Renville Family Tree but his father is listed as Tacanrpikiyemani Blacksmith (b. Minnesota, d. South Dakota) and his mother is listed as Rdugowin or Hduowin Unknown. This same Alex Spider (1872-1947) married Mary LoveJoy (b. 9-15-1876 Santee, Knox Co., Nebraska, d. 6-12-1947, Sisseton, Roberts Co., South Dakota). Mary's father is Asa Waksuisuhanku LoveJoy (b. Minnesota, d. South Dakota) and her mother is Eliza Tasinagiwin Sky (b. 1832, South Dakota, d. 1-21-1925, South Dakota) Alex and Mary (Lovejoy) Spider has a son, Sampson Spider (b. 1905 in South Dakota, d. 6-21-1941, Sisseton, Roberts Co., South Dakota) Sampson married Martha Redthunder (b. 10-15-1898 Sisseton, SD, d. 2-9-1967 Watertown, Codington Co., SD) Their daughter, Lottie Joyce Spider (b. 6-15-1929, Sisseton, SD, d. 6-11-1964, Omaha, Douglas Co., Nebraska) married Mason Renville, Jr. (b. 5-24-1923, Sisseton, SD, d. 6-18-1961 Fargo, Cass Co., North Dakota). That is how Alex Spider and Asa Lovejoy show up in the Renville Family Tree. Did not find any information on a Annie Standfast. Let us know if these are the people you are looking for and if they are, please add as much information as you can to this thread. Birth, marriage & death dates are particularily important, but also add city, county and state as well if you have it. These can be added as "keywords" in the search engine and makes the search a lot easier. |
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Post by madrock on Feb 2, 2012 6:49:53 GMT -5
I'd sure appreciate any help. On another family tree I found an Annie Standfast (b. Sisseton, SD, d. Sisseton, SD) who married an Edward Canku (b. 7 Nov 1901, South Dakota, d. Jun 1980, South Dakota) There were no parents or children listed for Annie or Edward. Those were the only names listed on that "tree" and what I gave you in the previous paragraph is all of the information listed. |
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 2, 2012 11:43:59 GMT -5
Twilyums,I would contact vicky valenta at:
Jandv@inebraska.com
she may be able to help with John Star.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 2, 2012 11:51:40 GMT -5
Mike Denney has some of the sisseton Censuses at his website: mdenney.proboard58.com/index.cgi?asa was b. @ 1815 MN, died @ 1903 SD. He was married several times: 1. Anpetu they had a dau. Ella or Elizabeth rupa who married Amos King, and lt. Geoughgan. 2. Eliza Tasinagiwin. they had John,lewis(or Louis), Lucy-married John thompson, and then she married George A. Campbell,Annie, Mary and Eli. 3. nancy mahpiyawastewin(sister of Samuel Stone of Santee). they had charles,alexis,Owen, David/Spaya who wed Mary Wakanna, and had dau. Emma who married John Philbrick. |
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 2, 2012 11:53:19 GMT -5
i would suggest you also check out the Archives on our websaite for the Santee Agency Registers, and the Santee Mssion Baptismal Register, also the Flandreau First Presbytewrian church Records.
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Post by twilyumz on Feb 2, 2012 12:20:38 GMT -5
Wow! Oh my gosh! Thank you, thank you. I was so stuck. I will continue searching and if I do find anything, will add. Wopila tanka!
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Post by twilyumz on Feb 3, 2012 2:02:53 GMT -5
I just can't, for the life of me, find the connection between Alex Spider and Joseph Blacksmith. Can you help me here?
Trina
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Post by madrock on Feb 3, 2012 6:55:34 GMT -5
I just can't, for the life of me, find the connection between Alex Spider and Joseph Blacksmith. Can you help me here? Trina You need to help us help you. List the names, dates and places that you have accumulated so far. Otherwise someone trying to help you can spend 3-4 hours only to find information you already have. You don't need to be that specific on yourself, but you need to show the generation data between you, your parent, your grandparent up to Alex Spider. The names, dates and places you post will tell the more experienced researchers on this board where they can look very quickly to help. Later . . . . |
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Post by twilyumz on Feb 3, 2012 10:20:34 GMT -5
Okay, here goes Denise (1970), Eugene H Williams (1935), Lillian Spider (1917), Alex Spider (1871), John star (1858), and it stops there. I've obsessively perused the census' on this site and it's been very helpful. I've heard from folk lore, the name Blacksmith tossed around. There was a post about Blacksmith's being changed from Wabasha unless I read differently. Geez, I need help!
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 3, 2012 11:44:47 GMT -5
twilyumz: Star in dakota is Wicanhpi or Wicanrpi
spider in dakota is unktomiska
iwill do som searching and see what i can find.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 3, 2012 13:06:21 GMT -5
twilyums: you need to contact nara and get aleck's Heirship Report.
contact:MaryFrances.Ronan@nara.gov
you need to provide his English and /or Indian name,tribal Affiliation and date of death.
this will give you someinfo on his family.
i was unable to find any record of a John Star in my Early Sisseton Records.
there was a Blacksmith at Sisseton: Joseph Blacksmith.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 3, 2012 13:30:43 GMT -5
hereis what I have found the name John Star. there are 2 or 3 John stars in the sisseton Wahpeton Records: John star,son of Adam Star/Mazaiyahe(sp.) ( Lighning Goose) and Jenny(sparkling or Twinkling Day?). this John Star(Age7) had a sister Izabella Star(less than a year old), and the fam. is on the 1888 sisseton Census ,Dak. Terr.so this John Star was born@1870/71. ___________ then there is a John Star born@1858 who shows up on the Sisseton-Wahp. Censuses from 1883-1899 single. then he shows on the 1901 Census with a step-son James (age 7yrs). the 1900 US Census for Veblen,marshall,SD lists a John Star age38 yrs., born oct. 1861, Minnesota,parents b. Minnesota. his wife Annie Star age 40,is listed as born nD, parents born SD. they were married in 1898. None of the Sisseton Wahpeton Censuses list him as father with Alex Star as son. then there is a John Star aka Marpiyaska age26 yrs., wife Tiwastewin(Good House woman)listed on the Sisseton Census for July,1888,Dakota Terr. so twilyums take your pick, which one is your John Star? You might want to contact NARA at the contact adress I gave you and see if they have nything on him. You should also give the birthdate for this guy. Alex's daughter Lillian was born 1917. She married Earl Williams. madrock:I have no idea where in ancestry.com you were looking for John Star. I found the above Jon Stars easily using the regular search engine at Ancestry.com. But then twilyums didn't provide us with the latest info on her tree, which I am glad you asked her for. ___________ correction and update: The John Star listed on the 1893 Sisseton-Wahpeton Census, was born@1858,He does not appear in any of the earlier records(land allotment Records, soldiers/scouts,or the 1891 Elrod Annuity Roll).and at Ancestry, Indian Census Schedules, he does not appear on any other tribe's census. so where was he from 1858 to 1893? i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/kouklamu/1893SissetonWah.jpg |
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Post by twilyumz on Feb 3, 2012 13:38:27 GMT -5
There is a reference of Alex Spider's father being Stephen Blacksmith on the Lineal Descendent page under Wabasha/Wapahasa Oyate. Wonder if this is true. I will follow up with Mary.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 3, 2012 22:48:54 GMT -5
The joseph Blacksmith at Sisseton did not have that Indian name you mentioned above.
I don't know of any connection between Joseph Blacksmith andAlex Spider,or John Star.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 5, 2012 9:59:38 GMT -5
Twilyums, I found Star/ wicanhpi as one of the Wahpetons involved in the Indian wars,but no other reference to him in that article minn. Geneal. Journal, issue no.4.
Re. Steven Blacksmith, his surname was Wabasha but he changed it to Blacksmith.
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Post by twilyumz on Feb 5, 2012 20:08:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't find out who Alex's father is from relatives either. The census says John Star but he's only 11 years older. The posts on here say Joseph and Stephen Blacksmith. I've searched for the possibility of his mother being a Spider but nada. I can't get an ancestry account so I'm relying on these forums. I can't make the trek to Sisseton because we're down here in Wounded Knee.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 6, 2012 4:24:57 GMT -5
Tacanrpikiyewin translation: tacanrpi means war club; kiye means to cause to do, or to cause to make; mani means walking. Blacksmith I am guessing is the English surname given this person.
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