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Post by hermin1 on Feb 13, 2012 17:46:06 GMT -5
Like I mentioned, I was hesitant atfirst to red Fetherstonhaugh's journals...they are very informative.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 13, 2012 17:47:39 GMT -5
madrock, when you get the copies of the affidavits, print copies on to acid free copy paper,ortherwise they will darken more.keep theones you get out of the light as much as possible.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 15, 2012 13:02:31 GMT -5
madrock, I beleive you are right about thisd Dennis robinson not being killed during the 1862 Uprising. Mink found reference to him in Fetherstone's journals, that he deserted his family and went elsewhere, possibly to parairie du chien,WIs. I got him mixed up with the other interpreter, Peter Quinn, whom I am sure was killed at the ferry crossing with Captain marsh and his troop. My photographic memeory sometimes has a PMS day as do my compueters. hahahaha
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Post by mink on Feb 15, 2012 18:34:51 GMT -5
Would be nice to find out what really did happen to Robinson, though. Featherstonhaugh's guide, Milor, claimed to have seen him in Prairie du Chien, alright, but I never came across anything else about him beyond that mention. Even a scoundrel doesn't just disappear into thin air.
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Post by mink on Feb 15, 2012 18:52:59 GMT -5
Look at THIS!!! www.grpl.org/wiki/images/295.pdfDennis Robinson had a brother named Rix, also a trader, and if you keep looking at that PDF you can find out just about everything about this Robinson family and its members! |
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Post by mink on Feb 15, 2012 19:12:38 GMT -5
I think it's got to be Madeleine Rocque's father and uncle. Can it be a mere coincidence that both Rix and Dennis Robinson worked for the American Fur Company? Also, the date of birth for Dennis Robinson seems to fit --February 6, 1793. That would have made him 26 years old when he was sent to start that trading post in Minnesota. According to the PDF, Dennis Robinson died in 1850--but it doesn't say where. However, in the Rix Robinson collection there is an item "Letter to Dennis Robinson (Brother) Sept. 23, 1844 in Scipio, Cayuga County, N. Y. So maybe that's where Dennis Robinson died. Will have to check.
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Post by mink on Feb 15, 2012 19:29:12 GMT -5
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Post by mink on Feb 15, 2012 20:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by mink on Feb 15, 2012 23:29:34 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa....I just started re-reading the Dennis Robinson thread and saw Mad Rock had posted this "Dennis Robinson (1785-1862)".
Where did you get those dates, MR?
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 16, 2012 3:20:40 GMT -5
good question... The Mackey family reunion booklet, says Dennis Robinson was of Scotch-Irish Ancestry. Was Rix Robinson Scotch-Irish? Good question mink.. madrock where did you get those dates? i found Rix robinson's family Treee with Dennis Robinson in it. i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/kouklamu/DennisRobinson.jpgmiserybay.usanethosting.com/robinson/edsr.shtmlI found the Robinson family Tree at Google and it looks like this is not our Dennis Robinson, as the patriarch Edward Robinson was born in England.he was the gr gr grandfather of Rix Robinson's dad Edward R. And on the other hand, we have Thomas Robinson's affidavit for the Lake pepin land scrips, where he wrote that his father was Dennis Robinson, a white man, and his mother was a full blood Mdewakanton Sioux .no where in that affidavit does he say that his father was Scoth, let alone Irish. I would tend to to go along with thomas Robinson. Mink you could very well be right about Dennis Robinson. I checked the Wisconsin GenWeb and they have nothing on Dennis Robinson. From your links,mink, can we assume that Rix Robinson, wasn't doing any trading in Wisoconsin? madrock, what is your documentation that Dennis Robinson was a Frenchman? another question,mink: what information do you have that points to Rix Robinson being Dennis Robinson's brother? |
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 16, 2012 8:32:56 GMT -5
I found mention of a" Madeline Robinson,Ojibway Metis, born 1833,St. Ignace, daughter of Francis Robinson, was a signer of the March 28,1836 Treaty..."www.telusplanet.org(or com).
Mink did you find any reference to an Alexander Robinson doing any trading in the Midwest Region?
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Post by mink on Feb 16, 2012 9:15:22 GMT -5
No, I haven't come across Alexander Robinson. I started out doing a Google on "Dennis Robinson AND American Fur Company". But what came up was Rix Robinson [about whom very much is known] and it mentioned that he had several brothers, one of which was named Dennis. This Dennis, brother of Rix, seemed to me to have been born around the time that Madeleine Rocque's father should have been. Rix Robinson started out working for the American Fur Company and then became a partner in that enterprise. Madeleine Rocque's father, Dennis Robinson, also worked for the American Fur Company and was sent to Minnesota in 1819. That was about the same time that Rix Robinson was sent to Michigan. Since it is very difficult to find out anything about Madeleine's father, it is very tempting to consider that Rix Robinson's brother and he might be the same man. Eventually, the bottom fell out of the fur trade and Rix Robinson became a farmer, among other things. Rix's brother, Dennis, was a farmer, too. I know this because I read a copy of Rix's letter to his brother, Dennis, urging him to sell his farm in Cayuga County and join Rix. But that Dennis Robinson stayed where he was and died in that county.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 16, 2012 9:26:57 GMT -5
mink and madroock: re. that affidavit by mary Louise Martin, I apologize for my error in summarizing what she said in her affidavit. You will note that thereare two affidavits #99, th eone by theophilus laChapelle and the one (corrected number) from Mary Louise Martin. whenI received the affidavits, they were in 2 folders. It would appear that theophilus must have made his affidavit first, then may have died before mary Louise martin,his widow made her affidavit.
I have noted many times in my research on the Dakota Sioux, that when a woman and her mate separated, the woman would state that she was a widow.I don't know why. As a famous German once said Varoom daroom: Why? that's why ? if you ask why . hahahah
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 16, 2012 9:54:56 GMT -5
One way to confrim this would be to check the censuses for new York to see if Dennis stayed in New York during the time he was supposed to be in theMidwest,or not.if not, then he is not the one whowas the father of Thomas and Madeleine Robinson.
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Post by mink on Feb 16, 2012 9:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by madrock on Feb 16, 2012 10:03:25 GMT -5
Wow, I don't log in for one day and I'm a week behind in replies! LOL I'll try to clear up a couple things one at a time.
The easiest one is to cut/n/paste where I came up with Madaline Robinson Rocque's father being a Frenchman:
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WABASHA HERALD Obituary
Wabasha, Minnesota, Thursday, April 21, 1904
Mrs. Joseph Rocque, relict of the late Joseph Rocque, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Charles Ebersold, of Buffalo County, Wisconsin, on Wednesday. The remains were brought here from Alma on Saturday. The funeral occured from St. Felix church, Father Wurst officiating. The interment was in St. Felix Cemetery.
Deceased's maiden name was Robinson. She was born in what is now St. Paul, Minn., in 1810, her father being a Frenchman and her mother a Sioux of Little Crow's band of Indians. She came to Wabasha previous to 1838 and lived here, up to the death of her husband a few years ago.
She was a good Christian woman and in the early days she and her husband took a very active part in the up building of the St. Felix Catholic parish. In the early days when most of the people in the parish were poor and the little church here struggling for an existence, the Rocques often came to its support in a financial way. It was Joseph Rocque and the subject of this sketch that gave, free of charge, to the St. Felix church the old portion of the present St. Felix Cemetery upon the one condition that himself and wife be furnished a lot free of charge in which they might repose when death released them.
Ninety-four is a good, round old age to live. It has been a history making epoch and a pity it is that the valuable experiences, through which this aged lady has passed and the events of which she had a personal knowledge, could not have been written.
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Madaline (my g-g-grandmother) died in Wisconsin at the home of of her daughter, Josephine Rocque Ebersold (my g-grandmother). Madaline had three granddaughters living in Wabasha and it's my belief that one of them, probably Maggie Ebersold Blatter provided the obituary background as she was considered the family historian of the time. I've searched microfilm of the only (at the time) Buffalo County newspaper, the Buffalo County Journal, Alma, WI, for several weeks after Madline's death date. I did not find an obituary in that paper, so the Minnesota obituary would not have gotten background information from the Wisconsin newspaper. I have found several instances where each newspaper credited the other newspaper as source.
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Post by madrock on Feb 16, 2012 10:13:40 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa....I just started re-reading the Dennis Robinson thread and saw Mad Rock had posted this "Dennis Robinson (1785-1862)". Where did you get those dates, MR? When I posted the dates it was prefaced with "I've put all my documented and undocumented notes together . . . . [emphasis added] so I didn't have documentation of either birth or death dates. I was approximating the birth date to stick within a reasonable year period when searching. The death date was added when it was first understood he was killed at the Redwood ferry crossing during the uprising. So really, his birth and death dates are still unsolved. |
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Post by madrock on Feb 16, 2012 10:16:42 GMT -5
I'm reading the new Rix & Dennis Robinson info. At first glance I think this is a different Dennis. Censuses may need to be looked at to make a sure determination.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 16, 2012 12:07:46 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 16, 2012 12:18:13 GMT -5
I see where you found that Madeline's father was a frenchman. she would sure have known who her father was, although, she did not mention their names, whereas her brother Thomas mentioned the name of his father, saying he was a whiteman.
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