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Post by peacekeeper on Sept 15, 2005 8:36:12 GMT -5
Hey Jamie and others out there in the community:
What do you think of this idea? We list a family on this site. Then anyone and everyone that has any information at all on this family shares it to help get the family certified. Each week we add a new family name. What do you think? I have been sharing all of my information since day 1 and I believe that many members have also. Does it sound like a good idea? I know that some people don't like the thought of us sharing info to help each other, but I think that everyone here has what it takes to be an ld. They are willing to do whatever it takes to prove that they are deserving. In my case it would be the Campbell family. I have found numerous baptisms for Jeremiah Campbell's family, but I have yet to find out where he was baptized. I am still searching for information on his parents, John and Marguerite, and his brother David. His other brother John, was killed in the military, in Cairo, Illinois, in 1865. He was in the Renville Rangers, which became the Minnesota 10th Regiment, Company I. Jeremiah was also in Company I, but received an honorable discharge, after his hand and part of his arm were shot off while on the steamboat Michigan. Anyway should we start our own volunteer genealogy search base here? Any thoughts or ideas?
Jackie
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Post by kunsi10 on Sept 15, 2005 10:04:01 GMT -5
Jackie, I for one like the idea. There are still folks out there who think otherwise...that's sad. But for me, I'd be more than willing to share any documents I have.
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Post by dawn on Sept 15, 2005 11:47:55 GMT -5
I think this is a great idea.
Dawn
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Post by fwaukazoo on Mar 31, 2006 10:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by Barbara on Mar 31, 2006 10:53:46 GMT -5
Jackie,
I'd be more then willing to help in anyway that I can. I have ordered some more records from the National Archives. They won't come in in time for the case, but they will still help with family research.
I think it's a great idea. I also think it would be nice if we could post pictures if they are available.
Barbara
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Post by bobdu on Mar 31, 2006 14:47:13 GMT -5
Personally I think this is a very good idea. We found out yesterday at a meeting that a lot of Yanktons are eligible but also lack at least one document. I would like to have information on my great grandmother's family tree. My great grandmother was a Santee, her name was Agnes Blackcloud, Four Horn, Thomas. I don't know why she went by so many names. Her mothers name was Elizabeth Thomas. Any information is appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by marnie on Apr 12, 2006 20:16:10 GMT -5
Hi all, I think the idea would certainly be great for me and a lot of others I would bet. With all the Cetanwinna information on this forum, I have still not been able to figure out what Tatiyohnake's mother, Cetanwinna's english name was nor the husband, Ituransia, who are the parents of Isabella b. @1846 w/o Oyateduta, Johnson Redbird.born @1849. I have this wild idea that he, Johnson Redbird, might have been in some way, related to John Otherday the Wahpeton Chief. Check it out. www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/siouan/wahpetonchiefs.htmI think it was the Redbird that caught my eye. Call me crazy....I can already see hermin shaking her head. |
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 3, 2007 12:07:11 GMT -5
hermin1 is thanking you for the information on Otherday. I did not know who his father was.
I am not sure but I think Cetanwinna means little Hawk?
I think Oyateduta means Red Tribe.
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Jan 3, 2007 17:39:09 GMT -5
I pass along whatever information I have that a person asks for.
I agree with you. Great IDEA.
MIKE
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 9, 2007 21:56:10 GMT -5
bobdu: I do not have anything on a Four Horn or a Black cloud in my index. Do you have anything like @ when she would have been born and when she sdied. Do you know anything about her husband.?
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Post by sisco on Jan 16, 2007 21:09:31 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me who Maka was or any info on him.
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Post by wanbligi on Jan 18, 2007 10:26:05 GMT -5
Hey Jamie and others out there in the community: What do you think of this idea? We list a family on this site. Then anyone and everyone that has any information at all on this family shares it to help get the family certified. Each week we add a new family name. What do you think? I have been sharing all of my information since day 1 and I believe that many members have also. Does it sound like a good idea? I know that some people don't like the thought of us sharing info to help each other, but I think that everyone here has what it takes to be an ld. They are willing to do whatever it takes to prove that they are deserving. In my case it would be the Campbell family. I have found numerous baptisms for Jeremiah Campbell's family, but I have yet to find out where he was baptized. I am still searching for information on his parents, John and Marguerite, and his brother David. His other brother John, was killed in the military, in Cairo, Illinois, in 1865. He was in the Renville Rangers, which became the Minnesota 10th Regiment, Company I. Jeremiah was also in Company I, but received an honorable discharge, after his hand and part of his arm were shot off while on the steamboat Michigan. Anyway should we start our own volunteer genealogy search base here? Any thoughts or ideas? Jackie Peacekeeper: Thank you for your idea, sounds great. I am new to this board and learning lots keep up the excellent work. Here is another idea I wanted to through out there with the idea of sharing information as some of you are more advance with computer technology than the rest of us. Since there is so much information with this case genealogy that an idea would be for those of you with that advanced computer capabilities put your heads together to see how a set of CDs' could be put together with all the genealogy info everyone has so far into example CD1 could be all baptisms, CD2 could be all marriages, deaths, etc., CD3 could have other information related to the case, and on and on. The reason why I say that is that some of us are not quite as advanced in computer technology as your others and if you could guide others with specific made up CDs' it could be like a college course and we could order at cost whatever CDs' like you would have available. Right now, I would guess that this board has almost as much information between them to start a Native American genealogy library. My point is that when we read this board each day there are those belonging to this board that have in their files information that is helping others in their search for their ancestors. I am very impressed with denney Computer Tech, jimmy, tamara, jazzdog, peacekeeper, cashmoney, and the list goes on and on and on........ I think the board has the capability of putting together CDs' with the information that we currently have and will continue to have. I think that would help us concentrate on helping families gather that useful information that they may not know how to get. Remember putting those CDs' together would have a cost, so ultimately whoever wants to look at those new CDs' would have to pay the $10 or $15 or I think you get the idea. Anyway that is food for thought. Please anybody respond anyway you want. I was just trying to put an idea out there to help families who may not know the proper way at finding information on their family genealogy Have a great day. Let us work together and brainstorm ideas as we move forward with this case. Thank you. This is wanbligi on Jan. 18, 2007 at 8:17 a.m. |
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Post by BIG JON on Jan 18, 2007 14:29:38 GMT -5
WANBLIGI SAID:
Remember putting those CDs' together would have a cost, so ultimately whoever wants to look at those new CDs' would have to pay the $10 or $15 or I think you get the idea.
I PREFER FREE AND WITHOUT DISKS...I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A GREAT WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO CHARGE...EMAILS WORK GREAT!...IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF CONNECTION YOU HAVE...HIGH SPEED RULES!
IF YOU DON'T HAVE HIGH SPEED...I HAVE BEEN SELLING MUSIC CD'S FOR YEARS!...3$/EACH(AND I MAKE MONEY)...AND I JUST BOUGHT A CD FROM PEACEKEEPER FOR 50 CENTS...WE CAN DO BETTER THAN RETAIL!
I AGREE THAT A DATABASE SHOULD BE PUT TOGETHER...AND TRANSCRIBE SOME OF THOSE OLD DOCUMENTS!!!...I THINK I'M GETTING A BRAIN TUMOR FROM TRYING TO READ THEM!(AT LEAST MY EYES ARE GOOFY)
IF PROPERLY DONE, YOU COULD JUST SEARCH A NAME AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS RELATED WOULD COME UP...JUST LIKE THE MUSEUM WEBSITES...
AND THERE COULD BE TRANSLATIONS FOR NAMES KNOWN...VARIOUS ALIASES, AKA'S, INDIAN NAMES, AND INDIAN NICKNAMES, ...(I GOT A GUY THAT HAS SIX KNOWN NAMES!)...LOOK UP RED STAR.(FAT WALKS, LIGHTNING BLANKET, HACHINWAKANDA, WICHUNKPEDUTA, AND DAVID WELLS!!!)
BUT IT WOULD BE ALOT OF WORK...THE ONE THING I FIND ON THIS WEBSITE IS PEOPLE THAT AREN'T AFRAID TO PUT IN A LITTLE TIME--WE HAVE CHEAP LABOR!
THIS IS EXCELLENT:
PEACEKEEPER SAID:
but I think that everyone here has what it takes to be an ld. They are willing to do whatever it takes to prove that they are deserving
AND WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER!
AND I AGREE WITH THIS:
Right now, I would guess that this board has almost as much information between them to start a Native American genealogy library.
AND GETTING NEW INFORMATION WOULD BE EASIER IF WE SHARED IN THE COSTS...(OOPS I CROSSED THE LINE)...IT COSTS TOO MUCH!(WHATEVER!)
IF WE(AS A GROUP) COULD GET SOME HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT(i.e. A SYMPATHETIC SENATOR?--WHERE'S MY LETTER TO STEPHANIE HERSETH?)
A FRIEND OF MINE SENT AN EMAIL TO BILL GATES ASKING FOR COMPUTERS FOR FT. THOMPSON...AND HIS WIFE REPLIED!...SHE ASKED FOR THE TAX-FREE NUMBER...SHE DIDN'T GET IT, FORGOT ABOUT IT ALL, AND IT ALL FELL THROUGH...BUT THE DOOR HAS BEEN OPENED...IF WE COULD GET GATES AND HIS GUYS TO SEE OUR CAUSE, MAYBE THEY WOULD PROVIDE COMPUTERS(I'M SURE WE'D HAVE TO SUPPLY A BUILDING THOUGH-OR NOT!, ITS BILL GATES!)
SOMEONE SAID:
The Interior Department is loaded with Bush Croneys who have been paying themselves off with Indian funds. I read Mr. Griles has just resigned, he is under investigation.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN THAT FALLS INTO THEIR LAPS...(MAKES THEM LOOK GOOD)...THEY ARE POLITICIANS!...
EVERYTHING IS POLITICS!
POLITICS IS ADVERTISING!
SO LETS ADVERTISE!
THAT'S OUR IN!
WORK WITH ME ON THIS PEOPLE!
BIG JON
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 18, 2007 15:28:13 GMT -5
it all sounds nice and good, but let us be realistic about this folks.
I agree that what Jamie has started , has become a fantastic Archives of the Records of the Santee Mdewakanton-santee,-Yanktons,-Sisseton-Wahpeton and= DevilsLake(Noe spirit lake) and what other tribes inn our region whoare Sioux,sioux Genealogical records.
As I see it now, we are a bunch of dedicated people communicating via this web site .
You need to form an organization, which must have a physical structure(office space)and an address, you need to get a non-profit status registration with the IRS. You need someone to man the computers,someone to answer whatever mail comes to the address. Then you get into the area of paying these people a salary, then you have to worry about payroll,etc.
i also think along this line, that we would need hard copy backups forour archives, I can also see the utility of the Cd's though alsoin this respect., as backups in case this web site shoudlever crash, as Iunderstand it did after it first started up. this is another reason I see the need for office space ,space to hold the backups.
If you are thinking about makiing a profit ( selling CD"s,etc) of this endeavor, I am against it. Because there are descendents out there of a lot of these people we have records on, and they could sue you for not getting their permission to to distribute records( in poarticular, the marriage records,Probates,etc.) on their ancestors.
I am also concerned that once the deadlines for getting one's documents in to their attorneys has passed, this website will become 'quiet" so to speak.
I hope this makes sense to someone.
but in General I do ageewith Jackie that we could turn this into a Genealogical reference Research site.
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Post by tamara on Jan 18, 2007 16:04:00 GMT -5
all very good and valid points. I agree that there would be much more involved in developing some sort of organization aside from a message board. I think what little brother, Jamie, has created, suits the purposes, very well. I realize that one needs to search to find the type of information specific to what they want, but that is a small task considering the results available.
I agree very much with the sentiment of Wambligi in that in considering the wealth of information found here in comparison to what was available previously for Dakota history, it is natural to want to share it with the world in anyway possible. I am sure Wambligi knows that there are many people who do not have the means or access to computers to search and print, therefore the cd idea. I dont know that it was suggested that a fee be charged, but that would not be something that I would do. I find that when you share with others, they share with you. I think by word of mouth and sending the links to the Oyate board to key places where people might seek assistance in their search, it might suffice instead. I have thought that it might also be an idea to post the link to the message board to to other research sites that focus on native american ancestry, such as Access Genealogy or Ancestry or others. If there are legal limitations and if we have breeched them, I plead ignorance, and would be able to line up a large number of witnesses to testify to that fact on my own behalf!
Tamara
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Post by BIG JON on Jan 18, 2007 16:08:51 GMT -5
OK, SO MAYBE I WENT A BIT FAR, THIS IS ONLY A BRAINSTORM...BUT GETTING ALL THE RECORDS TOGETHER DOES SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA...AND MAKING THEM AVAILABLE.
AND THE BILL GATES THING IS REAL ALSO!...ONE OF YOU GUYS IN FT. THOMPSON SHOULD EMAIL HIM AND GET YOUR TAX FREE NUMBER READY,-- 'CAUSE I BET'CHA HE'LL SEND YOU A TRUCKLOAD OF BRAND NEW PC's!...THATS WHAT HE LIKES TO DO...
SOME OF YOU OTHER TRIBES OUT THERE SHOULD DO THE SAME!...
I THINK INTERNET ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE...COMMUNICATION IS KEY!
AND NO I DIDN'T EVER MEAN TO MAKE ANY MONEY ON IT...
SO LETS KEEP BRAINSTORMING...ANY OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE?
BIG JON
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 18, 2007 16:26:24 GMT -5
I wish we could set up a database of all the records we have found. Something like Ancestry.com, with all the searchable and indexed records, but free and for Native genealogy. The problem is how to go about doing something like that. Until then, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make CDs and pass them out to the people who want them.
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Post by tamara on Jan 18, 2007 16:32:24 GMT -5
OK, SO MAYBE I WENT A BIT FAR, THIS IS ONLY A BRAINSTORM...BUT GETTING ALL THE RECORDS TOGETHER DOES SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA...AND MAKING THEM AVAILABLE. AND THE BILL GATES THING IS REAL ALSO!...ONE OF YOU GUYS IN FT. THOMPSON SHOULD EMAIL HIM AND GET YOUR TAX FREE NUMBER READY,-- 'CAUSE I BET'CHA HE'LL SEND YOU A TRUCKLOAD OF BRAND NEW PC's!...THATS WHAT HE LIKES TO DO... SOME OF YOU OTHER TRIBES OUT THERE SHOULD DO THE SAME!... I THINK INTERNET ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE...COMMUNICATION IS KEY! AND NO I DIDN'T EVER MEAN TO MAKE ANY MONEY ON IT... SO LETS KEEP BRAINSTORMING...ANY OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE? BIG JON LOL Jon I know you didnt mean to be making money on it. You are just thinking of the costs incurred by whomever is involved, since you well know how easy it is wind up with a big bill for records, etc. I agree that the tribes should do the same. communication is key and it has also been a big hinderence in the notification of potential plaintiffs as there was only the notice ran in the one indian paper that really circulated... Tamara BIG JON : You do have a great Idea about putting the informtion to CD's . I don't think it is wrong to ask for a donation to help cover the cost of the CD's. Tamara, my gut hunch is that that putting the notice in just one paper was intentional on Kaardal's part. The less who know about the suit, theless no. of peoleand potential Ld's to share the pie. I have an idea, but maybe it is a brain fart. There are local libraries onthe reservatiosn aren't there? if theyhave computers for the use of the people, we could send them a set of the CD's and tell the library to have peole sign them out to use only at the library? |
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 18, 2007 20:47:28 GMT -5
Tamara: those are great ideas!!!!!
I amwondering, and maybe Jamie should respond to this question: My understanding is that Lower Sioux Council is supporting this web site. How long will they continue to support it?
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Post by sunshine on Jan 18, 2007 20:49:11 GMT -5
I am new, and don't know alot about your system, but Cd's would definitely be helping me right now. ON the side, I do fundraising for organizations and help find grant money. I just gave the website grants@seliger.com to Jackie to pass on as they have many tribal funds available right now. Also, what about The Waitt Foundation(now Kind World?) You do need to form a formal group though; at least a spokesperson willing to call Foundations adn ask what their requirements are. There is a "TON" of grant money available. Like this project, you just need to know where to go to get the right answers!!!!! Best, Sunshine
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thank you for allowing me access to this site.