Dennis Robinson Family

[mdewakan]

The Moores as well as the Robinsons went to The Flandreau First Presbyterian Church. I have church records from October 3, 1869 and on.

[hermin1]

We have what appears to be an incomplete Copy of the Flandreau First Presbyterian Church Register. The Deaths section is incomplete.
mdewakan, again i ask, would you be willing to postcopiesof what you have?
One person for whom,I know their descendents are searching ,is Mary jane(Wagiwin) Robinson. do you have a death record for her?do you know where she4is buried?

[mdewakan]

I believe she is buried in Minnesota. I do not have a death record for her but looking at patterns of family moving, I would say that she is there. Thomas Robinson traveled to South Dakota but always came back to Minnesota. He was born there and died there. I am going through computer files and notes. I am on break from school so I will do some more research What about tribal records? Anybody talk to the tribal enrollment officer about it?

[hermin1]

yes, according to one of her descendents, they did,but got no reply.The descendent even went to Minnesota and searched there with out any success.All they have is the death certificate showing she died at Flandreau in 1911.

[hermin1]

i forgot to check the Iape Oaye(word Carrier newspaper) to see if there was notice posted there.

[mdewakan]

If she died in 1911, there has to be a death record for her because South Dakota started the death records, I believe, in 1905. I would definitely check the newspapers.

[mdewakan]

A cousin told me about Ft. Peck and how there is an Assiniboine connection. I did some preliminary searching and I have found Robinson's on Chippewa/Objibwe/Assiniboine census. There are Mary Robinson's on it. They were in Northern Minnesota and that would also explain the french canadian connection. This may be other route to go. I know that they are mixed native american types.

[crisp]

Hi - 

Are any of you still out there and interested in research on Dennis Robinson, fur trader with American Fur Company, "buddies" with Hazen Mooers?

As well as Dennis' (likely, anecdotal, yet unconfirmed) son Thomas Robinson (1824-1887), who marries 1. Mary Jane (Wakuta, daughter of Wacouta), is an indian scout (written about all over the place), is at Fort Snelling with the rest, but then marries 2. Mary "Moran" (or Morand) in 1871, has another family, and dies and is buried by Lake Benton.

Its been 10 years since these messages, and I've found much more info. I, like a previous contributor "Mdewaken" am a descendant from Tom Robinson's second family. His 2nd wife is my direct maternal ancestor (my mom's-mom's-mom's-mom's-mom). 

After years of research, I've been able to discern Tom Robinson's life pretty well from 1850+, and know decent details of the family and Mary specifically from their marriage forward. I have some info on his first family but just not as much (mostly since I'm descended of the other - bias...)

So one important connection that makes sense is that Tom Robinson (1824-1887) is 'buddies' with John Moore (also "Mooers" etc).  Well, as we know, John is the son of Hazen Mooers, who is buddies with Dennis Robinson, and they work together for American Fur Company.  That clicks - two guys are buddies, they are out in the territory, have native women for wives, and their son's grow up together. Also seems to support that Tom's (likely) sister Ann is one of the wives of John Moore. Small world, and connections everywhere. Just like, Thomas Robertson, scouted WITH this Tom Robinson, and another Tom Robinson as we know, and yet ironically Thomas Robertson's family is, thru marriage and Grey Cloud Woman, related to Mooers/Moores, who are related to Tom Robinson thru marriage. I mean, this wasn't bustling NYC, LOL, you knew your neighbors, and it wasn't crowded!

I only have the anecdotal evidence of Tom (1824-1887) being son of Dennis Robinson, not total proof, but it seems right. Dennis is described with various origins (both ethnic and geographical - Scotch vs. French, MA vs NY). I have some documents naming him, but haven't found his "origin" yet. What I want to share is this:

Weirdly, as written family lore from circa (I think!) my great grandmother which is the grandchild generation of Tom and Mary (Moran),  show the parents of Tom and Mary - and I have NEVER found any other reference or corroboration of this. Mdewakan references this same mysterious info, so maybe she saw my info or got it through Madaline (Tom & Mary (Moran)'s daughter - she's a descendant through her, and I'm a descendant through Martha, daughter of Tom & Mary Moran). It also had a middle name for Thomas (saying its Charles, which I've never seen his middle initial or name I don't think? So also curious why people sometimes have typed "Thomas A. Robinson" and wonder if they are confusing it with one of the other 2-3 Tom Rob.'s from that time/place?)  It also notes "Robinson is anglicized version of Robertson" and again, if what seems more likely that his dad is Dennis Robinson, I have no idea where the family lore has these people written down that just don't seem right. The name comment is good, but not sure who went by Robertson, and when. In fact Tom (1824-1887)'s last name is written Robison, Robeson. 
I have found one photo of Tom, and it was labeled "half Scotch (father) and half Sioux (mother)". Well, his 2nd wife Mary, my ancestor, is just as tricky. Supposedly Cree, Sioux, born in MN or Manitoba, Canada and - even on a photograph states "born near Montreal" - I have NO info prior to her marriage to Tom. No concrete maiden name, no defensible birthplace, etc. I also heard she spoke French, my gut is she is metis and maybe came down through Red River, but still no clue about parents.  Her Indian name is recorded as "Mastin" and is even on her gravestone, and I am curious if someone knows more about that.

In summary - I haven't found any truth to the family details (so I'm not throwing them in here) but do accept Dennis Robinson as the father of Tom Robinson (1824-1887), and that Tom's likely two sisters (other daughters of Dennis...) are "Ann" who is a wife of John Moore, and Madeline (who becomes wife of LaRoque). 
So now I'm in the process of chasing down Dennis' whereabouts (sometimes 'stalking' Hazen Mooers for clues). The supposed wife (of Dennis) and mom (of Tom) is a blank spot. My other even harder job to find Mary (Moran)'s parents since unfamous girls get even more hidden....But would be interesting in collaborating on working on the Hazen Mooers and Dennis Robinson origins!  What is incredible is this isn't even that long ago, and its a mystery.  

Thank you!
Crisp
link to one of my ancestry trees that just focuses on Tom:
www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tools/tree/107522835/invitees/accept?inviteId=402bf68c-07b2-462b-b1fc-2a6b7fc5552d
and the big family tree, with more Tom detail (and the family lore):
www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/21588468/person/1107872816/facts

[1977tiffany]

I came across this board a few weeks ago while working on our family tree. I don't have dates in front of me but my grandfather's name was Walter Charles Jorgensen, born in 1930, Flandreau, South Dakota to Charles Jorgensen and Stella Robinson. Stella died in 1932. Her parents were Charles Robinson and Sarah Carrow. I read on one post they had daughters Myrtle and Stella, from what I can see they are the same person. Charles was the son of Thomas Robinson and from what I can find Mary Moran. From what I read, there's no definite known mother and father to either. I am also having a hard time trading Sarah Carrow past Louis Carrow and Lucy Redwing.
I have done my DNA on ancestry to try to use other trees with shared DNA to help, but I'm seeing most people just go by what one other person has or Ancestry recommends.
Any help, pictures, records and advice would be appreciated. Thank you, Tiffany

Apr 26, 2022 15:09:42 GMT -5 crisp said:

Hi - 

Are any of you still out there and interested in research on Dennis Robinson, fur trader with American Fur Company, "buddies" with Hazen Mooers?

As well as Dennis' (likely, anecdotal, yet unconfirmed) son Thomas Robinson (1824-1887), who marries 1. Mary Jane (Wakuta, daughter of Wacouta), is an indian scout (written about all over the place), is at Fort Snelling with the rest, but then marries 2. Mary "Moran" (or Morand) in 1871, has another family, and dies and is buried by Lake Benton.

Its been 10 years since these messages, and I've found much more info. I, like a previous contributor "Mdewaken" am a descendant from Tom Robinson's second family. His 2nd wife is my direct maternal ancestor (my mom's-mom's-mom's-mom's-mom). 

After years of research, I've been able to discern Tom Robinson's life pretty well from 1850+, and know decent details of the family and Mary specifically from their marriage forward. I have some info on his first family but just not as much (mostly since I'm descended of the other - bias...)

So one important connection that makes sense is that Tom Robinson (1824-1887) is 'buddies' with John Moore (also "Mooers" etc).  Well, as we know, John is the son of Hazen Mooers, who is buddies with Dennis Robinson, and they work together for American Fur Company.  That clicks - two guys are buddies, they are out in the territory, have native women for wives, and their son's grow up together. Also seems to support that Tom's (likely) sister Ann is one of the wives of John Moore. Small world, and connections everywhere. Just like, Thomas Robertson, scouted WITH this Tom Robinson, and another Tom Robinson as we know, and yet ironically Thomas Robertson's family is, thru marriage and Grey Cloud Woman, related to Mooers/Moores, who are related to Tom Robinson thru marriage. I mean, this wasn't bustling NYC, LOL, you knew your neighbors, and it wasn't crowded!

I only have the anecdotal evidence of Tom (1824-1887) being son of Dennis Robinson, not total proof, but it seems right. Dennis is described with various origins (both ethnic and geographical - Scotch vs. French, MA vs NY). I have some documents naming him, but haven't found his "origin" yet. What I want to share is this:

Weirdly, as written family lore from circa (I think!) my great grandmother which is the grandchild generation of Tom and Mary (Moran),  show the parents of Tom and Mary - and I have NEVER found any other reference or corroboration of this. Mdewakan references this same mysterious info, so maybe she saw my info or got it through Madaline (Tom & Mary (Moran)'s daughter - she's a descendant through her, and I'm a descendant through Martha, daughter of Tom & Mary Moran). It also had a middle name for Thomas (saying its Charles, which I've never seen his middle initial or name I don't think? So also curious why people sometimes have typed "Thomas A. Robinson" and wonder if they are confusing it with one of the other 2-3 Tom Rob.'s from that time/place?)  It also notes "Robinson is anglicized version of Robertson" and again, if what seems more likely that his dad is Dennis Robinson, I have no idea where the family lore has these people written down that just don't seem right. The name comment is good, but not sure who went by Robertson, and when. In fact Tom (1824-1887)'s last name is written Robison, Robeson. 
I have found one photo of Tom, and it was labeled "half Scotch (father) and half Sioux (mother)". Well, his 2nd wife Mary, my ancestor, is just as tricky. Supposedly Cree, Sioux, born in MN or Manitoba, Canada and - even on a photograph states "born near Montreal" - I have NO info prior to her marriage to Tom. No concrete maiden name, no defensible birthplace, etc. I also heard she spoke French, my gut is she is metis and maybe came down through Red River, but still no clue about parents.  Her Indian name is recorded as "Mastin" and is even on her gravestone, and I am curious if someone knows more about that.

In summary - I haven't found any truth to the family details (so I'm not throwing them in here) but do accept Dennis Robinson as the father of Tom Robinson (1824-1887), and that Tom's likely two sisters (other daughters of Dennis...) are "Ann" who is a wife of John Moore, and Madeline (who becomes wife of LaRoque). 
So now I'm in the process of chasing down Dennis' whereabouts (sometimes 'stalking' Hazen Mooers for clues). The supposed wife (of Dennis) and mom (of Tom) is a blank spot. My other even harder job to find Mary (Moran)'s parents since unfamous girls get even more hidden....But would be interesting in collaborating on working on the Hazen Mooers and Dennis Robinson origins!  What is incredible is this isn't even that long ago, and its a mystery.  

Thank you!
Crisp
link to one of my ancestry trees that just focuses on Tom:
www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tools/tree/107522835/invitees/accept?inviteId=402bf68c-07b2-462b-b1fc-2a6b7fc5552d
and the big family tree, with more Tom detail (and the family lore):
www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/21588468/person/1107872816/facts

[kyliem00n]

Can you by chance help me and send the link to toms ancestry I think we might have the same Tom on our tree.

Apr 26, 2022 15:09:42 GMT -5 crisp said:

Hi - 

Are any of you still out there and interested in research on Dennis Robinson, fur trader with American Fur Company, "buddies" with Hazen Mooers?

As well as Dennis' (likely, anecdotal, yet unconfirmed) son Thomas Robinson (1824-1887), who marries 1. Mary Jane (Wakuta, daughter of Wacouta), is an indian scout (written about all over the place), is at Fort Snelling with the rest, but then marries 2. Mary "Moran" (or Morand) in 1871, has another family, and dies and is buried by Lake Benton.

Its been 10 years since these messages, and I've found much more info. I, like a previous contributor "Mdewaken" am a descendant from Tom Robinson's second family. His 2nd wife is my direct maternal ancestor (my mom's-mom's-mom's-mom's-mom). 

After years of research, I've been able to discern Tom Robinson's life pretty well from 1850+, and know decent details of the family and Mary specifically from their marriage forward. I have some info on his first family but just not as much (mostly since I'm descended of the other - bias...)

So one important connection that makes sense is that Tom Robinson (1824-1887) is 'buddies' with John Moore (also "Mooers" etc).  Well, as we know, John is the son of Hazen Mooers, who is buddies with Dennis Robinson, and they work together for American Fur Company.  That clicks - two guys are buddies, they are out in the territory, have native women for wives, and their son's grow up together. Also seems to support that Tom's (likely) sister Ann is one of the wives of John Moore. Small world, and connections everywhere. Just like, Thomas Robertson, scouted WITH this Tom Robinson, and another Tom Robinson as we know, and yet ironically Thomas Robertson's family is, thru marriage and Grey Cloud Woman, related to Mooers/Moores, who are related to Tom Robinson thru marriage. I mean, this wasn't bustling NYC, LOL, you knew your neighbors, and it wasn't crowded!

I only have the anecdotal evidence of Tom (1824-1887) being son of Dennis Robinson, not total proof, but it seems right. Dennis is described with various origins (both ethnic and geographical - Scotch vs. French, MA vs NY). I have some documents naming him, but haven't found his "origin" yet. What I want to share is this:

Weirdly, as written family lore from circa (I think!) my great grandmother which is the grandchild generation of Tom and Mary (Moran),  show the parents of Tom and Mary - and I have NEVER found any other reference or corroboration of this. Mdewakan references this same mysterious info, so maybe she saw my info or got it through Madaline (Tom & Mary (Moran)'s daughter - she's a descendant through her, and I'm a descendant through Martha, daughter of Tom & Mary Moran). It also had a middle name for Thomas (saying its Charles, which I've never seen his middle initial or name I don't think? So also curious why people sometimes have typed "Thomas A. Robinson" and wonder if they are confusing it with one of the other 2-3 Tom Rob.'s from that time/place?)  It also notes "Robinson is anglicized version of Robertson" and again, if what seems more likely that his dad is Dennis Robinson, I have no idea where the family lore has these people written down that just don't seem right. The name comment is good, but not sure who went by Robertson, and when. In fact Tom (1824-1887)'s last name is written Robison, Robeson. 
I have found one photo of Tom, and it was labeled "half Scotch (father) and half Sioux (mother)". Well, his 2nd wife Mary, my ancestor, is just as tricky. Supposedly Cree, Sioux, born in MN or Manitoba, Canada and - even on a photograph states "born near Montreal" - I have NO info prior to her marriage to Tom. No concrete maiden name, no defensible birthplace, etc. I also heard she spoke French, my gut is she is metis and maybe came down through Red River, but still no clue about parents.  Her Indian name is recorded as "Mastin" and is even on her gravestone, and I am curious if someone knows more about that.

In summary - I haven't found any truth to the family details (so I'm not throwing them in here) but do accept Dennis Robinson as the father of Tom Robinson (1824-1887), and that Tom's likely two sisters (other daughters of Dennis...) are "Ann" who is a wife of John Moore, and Madeline (who becomes wife of LaRoque). 
So now I'm in the process of chasing down Dennis' whereabouts (sometimes 'stalking' Hazen Mooers for clues). The supposed wife (of Dennis) and mom (of Tom) is a blank spot. My other even harder job to find Mary (Moran)'s parents since unfamous girls get even more hidden....But would be interesting in collaborating on working on the Hazen Mooers and Dennis Robinson origins!  What is incredible is this isn't even that long ago, and its a mystery.  

Thank you!
Crisp
link to one of my ancestry trees that just focuses on Tom:
www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tools/tree/107522835/invitees/accept?inviteId=402bf68c-07b2-462b-b1fc-2a6b7fc5552d
and the big family tree, with more Tom detail (and the family lore):
www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/21588468/person/1107872816/facts