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Post by madrock on Mar 11, 2012 5:04:29 GMT -5
1870 USCensus Redwood Falls,Redwood, Minnesota shows a John More.wife Ann age 35, son Moses (or Moores?) age 16,and jenet age 13.the writing is rather faint in spots on the sheet. Could this be John Mooers(Moore)? I don't know. But that census lists another person with that surname living in redwood countyMN. I don't see a John More family in the Town of Redwood Falls. There is a John More family, dwelling/family #45, in the Town of Lynd, Redwood County, MN. I feel this is John Moores, the son of Hazen Mooers and friend of Thomas Robinson The next Town of Lynd dwelling/family enumerated, #46, is that of a Thomas Robinson family. This should be the Thomas Robinson who is a brother of Madaline Robinson Rocque and a son of Dennis Robinson. THROUGH DAKOTA EYES, p. 216 footnote 10 & 11 states John Moores and Thomas Robinson scouted for the US Army 1863-1867 and settled claims in Hope Township in Lincoln County but the footnote does not say what date they settled in Hope Township. Footnote 10 above states that John married a sister of Thomas after or at the same time as settling the Lincoln County claims. Again, no dates included to ascertain if John's enumerated wife in 1870, Ann, is Thomas' sister or if John took another wife in Lincoln County. Atached is a .doc file containing the Lynd enumeration: Attachments:
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 11, 2012 9:29:16 GMT -5
madrock: I can't open the file. is this the photo snapshot i had sent you by email?
Look at the postoffice. It says Redwood falls.
I mistakenly wrote the name of the Post office for the town of Lynd, in Redwood County.
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 11, 2012 10:09:00 GMT -5
In my records for the Freniers, I found that Rose and John had a son named James,besides their son, hazen listed in the BIA Records. I wonder if James is the son listed on that 1870 US census, or is james the one that died before 1887 at age 2?The BIA Records only list a brother (no name) to Hazen, that died before 1887 at the age of 2.
So John had 3 wives, Rose frenier, Ann, and Mary Nagiyuhewin. Then, the John Moore I found that was married to Annie Reed is not John Mooers(or Moore) but someone else, because the Annie Reed, I found in the 1860 Census for Ninenger, Winona minn, was white. Her father ws anthony Reed(b. mass.), mother was Elizabeth A. also born mass.and she had a sister Lucy, and a brother.Ann would have been @ 24 yrs. old in 1870,not 35 as that 1870 Census for Lynd indicates.
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 11, 2012 10:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 11, 2012 12:12:12 GMT -5
Alexander Robinson (Chee-chee-long-way), son of a Scotch officer in the British army, who had been elected by his mother's tribe Chief of the Potawato- mies, those Potawatomies whom English and Amer- icans thought fierce and cruel, but whom the early French settlers had found to be "the most docile and affectionate toward the French of all the savages of the west ; ' ' whose ' ' natural politeness and readiness to oblige," says Tailhan, ''was extended to strangers," gave full proof of these characteristics of his tribe at the time of the Fort Dearborn massacre (1812). In that hour of tragic horror he and his French-Indian wife, Catherine Chevallier, sheltered the fleeing whites, and both are held in grateful remembrance in Chicago to this day. Robinson was later interpreter for Gen. Lewis Cass with the Chippewas in the treaty of Prairie du Chien. From E-book Our Debt To the Red man. there were several Treaties signed at prairie du chien; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Prairie_du_Chien |
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Post by madrock on Mar 11, 2012 13:13:16 GMT -5
madrock: I can't open the file. is this the photo snapshot i had sent you by email? Look at the postoffice. It says Redwood falls. I mistakenly wrote the name of the Post office for the town of Lynd, in Redwood County. I thought that may have been what happened. But I have found cases in federal censuses where ancestors of mine have been reported twice. In two cases they were enumerated with their home family and again at a temporary location, same year. In one case, a female was away to nursing school and another was a raftsman at a boarding house in Reads Landing, MN. Do you have Microsoft Word on your computer? The document you cannot open is a MS Word version of a filled-in 1870 town of Lynd translation to the blank census sheet with only families 45 & 46; specifically John More (John Moores) and Thomas Robinson, probably next door neighbors. |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 11, 2012 14:23:14 GMT -5
No I don't mad rock. I have OpenOffice.org program, and it will not open your document.I will see if my Excel spreadsheet in Open Office will open it.
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 11, 2012 14:35:17 GMT -5
Well I 'll be hornswaggled. I was able to open it on my computer that has vista. My other computers have either Windows XP or Win XP pro. it is similar to that snapshot I sent you. the 16 year old's name looks like Moores or Halers. I read through the census taker's listings to see how he wrote numbers and Capital letters. i am going to see if I can find a better copy of that census. i found this from NARA via internet Archive: i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/kouklamu/USPopulationSched1870.jpgDoes this look clearer? |
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Post by madrock on Mar 11, 2012 20:33:29 GMT -5
Well I 'll be hornswaggled. I was able to open it on my computer that has vista. My other computers have either Windows XP or Win XP pro. it is similar to that snapshot I sent you. the 16 year old's name looks like Moores or Halers. I read through the census taker's listings to see how he wrote numbers and Capital letters. i am going to see if I can find a better copy of that census. i found this from NARA via internet Archive: i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/kouklamu/USPopulationSched1870.jpgDoes this look clearer? It looks clearer but the poorly handwritten name of the 16 year old still looks like "Habers" to me even though I have never such a given name. |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 11, 2012 21:55:57 GMT -5
yes, I noted that too.i've never seen such a name either. Could he be Ann and John's son?
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Post by mink on Apr 2, 2012 11:05:17 GMT -5
The 1850 census of Wabasha County, MN, has only these three Robinsons:
63b 20 Robinson Marie 1 Minnesota pg0062a.txt
63b 19 Robinson Mary 20 Minnesota pg0062a.txt
63b 18 Robinson Thomas
There is no age listed for Thomas but his wife, Mary, would have been born around 1830. Ten years later there were quite a lot of Robinsons in the same county, but I doubt any were the same family as the above.
302 12 Robinson Adelia 12 New York pg00294.txt
146 22 Robinson Amanda 9 New York pg00143.txt
305 18 Robinson Andrew 3 Minnesota pg00294.txt
295 8 Robinson Asenath 60 Vermont pg00294.txt
146 23 Robinson Augustus 6 New York pg00143.txt
146 20 Robinson Bryan 32 Vermont pg00143.txt
302 11 Robinson Charles 16 New York pg00294.txt
297 22 Robinson Chas. C. 29 Vermont pg00294.txt
294 37 Robinson Cornelia 13 Illinois pg00294.txt
150 36 Robinson Cyntha 25 New York pg00149.txt
297 23 Robinson Elizabeth 30 New York pg00294.txt
297 25 Robinson Eva 1 Illinois pg00294.txt
295 7 Robinson Ezra 71 Connecticut pg00294.txt
146 24 Robinson Frank 2 Wisconsin pg00143.txt
305 17 Robinson George 5 New York pg00294.txt
305 15 Robinson Harrison 9 New York pg00294.txt
297 24 Robinson Herbert 6 Illinois pg00294.txt
185 12 Robinson Isabella A. 18 Massachusetts pg00178.txt
305 19 Robinson James 1 Minnesota pg00294.txt
224 23 Robinson Jane 30 Minnesota pg00220.txt
302 9 Robinson Jane C. 41 New York pg00294.txt
150 35 Robinson John H. 29 Vermont pg00149.txt
219 31 Robinson Joseph 25 Pennsylvania pg00202.txt
208 2 Robinson Joseph 22 Pennsylvania pg00202.txt
294 36 Robinson Kate 30 Pennsylvania pg00294.txt
146 21 Robinson Martha 32 Canada pg00143.txt
305 16 Robinson Martin 7 New York pg00294.txt
224 24 Robinson Mary 13 Minnesota pg00220.txt
294 38 Robinson Mary 11 Illinois pg00294.txt
305 14 Robinson Mary E. 32 New York pg00294.txt
224 27 Robinson Mary Louisa 2 Minnesota pg00220.txt
150 37 Robinson Merrill 5 New York pg00149.txt
185 10 Robinson Nancy 63 Rhode Island pg00178.txt
150 38 Robinson Oran 3 New York pg00149.txt
294 35 Robinson Prosper 27 Vermont pg00294.txt
185 9 Robinson Ruphes 60 Massachusetts pg00178.txt
302 8 Robinson Saml. S. 40 New York pg00294.txt
302 10 Robinson Samuel 17 New York pg00294.txt
224 25 Robinson Sarah 7 Minnesota pg00220.txt
252 12 Robinson Sarah 38 Missouri pg00250.txt
224 26 Robinson Thomas 4 Minnesota pg00220.txt
224 22 Robinson Thomas 35 Minnesota pg00220.txt
305 13 Robinson Tyler 32 New York pg00294.txt
185 11 Robinson William H. 31 Massachusetts pg00178.txt
252 11 Robinson Wm.
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Post by mink on Apr 22, 2012 20:07:32 GMT -5
Located: Dennis Robinson at Prairie du Chien in 1825. I have been re-reading Peter Scanlan's "Prairie du Chien, French, British, American" because I have found in the past that his index is insufficient and there are people in the book who are not included in it.
In 1824 Congress passed a bill requiring that Indian Agents choose the spots where they thought trade with Indians would be suitable. This did not sit very well with the traders, who did not want to be limited and so..."May 6, 1825 a protest against the law locating traders by the Indian Agents came from Prairie du Chien and was signed by Joseph Rolette, Dennis Robinson, J.H. Lockwood, P. Hurtebise, Alexis Bailly and Alexander Roc...."
The fact the he signed the document of protest indicates to me that Dennis Robinson was still involved in the fur trade in 1825.
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Post by mink on May 15, 2012 20:31:37 GMT -5
thanks much Mink for the photo. You're belatedly welcome  |
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Post by mdewakan on Nov 3, 2012 1:19:52 GMT -5
I have information on the Robinson family as well. Thomas Robinson was my GGG grandfather. I am still trying to connect pieces as well. Some of the Robinson family went into South Dakota and are listed on the Flandreau Santee Sioux Rolls. There is also talk that the family was Assiniboine. Rumor also has it that Thomas was married to both Marys at the same time. Quite a few of them moved to Ft. Peck, Montana and I know some went to Arizona.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 5, 2012 14:42:01 GMT -5
mdewakan welcome to our website.. there were at least 3 Thomas Robinsons. there was the Thomas Robinson, brother of Madeline Robinson, the one who married Marie Vicstoria Frazier, and the One who allegedly married the former wife, nancy Niyawastewin, of thomas Robertson. I found a fourth Thomas Robinson, but according to my search, he was the one that was Married to Marie Victoria Frazier.
Would you be willing to share your information with us?
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Post by mdewakan on Nov 6, 2012 0:57:22 GMT -5
I have a Mahpiyawastewin married to a Dennis Robinson or Robertson. His son Thomas, aka Tatanka Robinson and a Mary Morand/Mastin had my gg grandmother Madlan. This is according to the Flandreau Census. Madlan was married and had two daughters. After her divorce, she went back to Flandreau and eventually remarried. She taught sewing at the boarding school since she was a dress maker. Now I know that her mother is either buried in Flandreau or might be Wolf Point, MT. I know that either her mother or husband's mother died there. A lot of what I have found is digging through records and other researchers. I also have dealt with the Flandreau tribe. I know that the bloodline in Flandreau is in dispute. Madlan and her siblings are listed only as a 1/4, but a sociology report on the tribe states she is nearly full blood. Madlan for the longest time refused to acknowledge her native heritage and didn't talk about it. I suspect if my connecting the dots right, the Robinson clan was at Ft. Snelling. I also believe that there was traumatic experiences. The clues I have had came from my grandmother that lived with her. There are times when my grandmother isn't willing to talk about it. My grandma did know that we have French Canadian on that side. I don't know where it fits in exactly. I have been looking at the Minnesota connection and after meeting up with some other family, I am looking at the Montana connection. Madlan is buried in Spokane, Washington. She also went by 5 different spellings. I don't have my notes with me right now but I will look into them.
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Post by mdewakan on Nov 6, 2012 1:21:47 GMT -5
Department of the Interior-Indian School Service Flandreau SD Dec. !0, 1902
Sociological Study of Flandreau Indians Information Collected on October 16th
The general result is that the Flandreau Indians are morally and religiously in advance of the average whites, that educationally they are not doing quite as well as the average whites, and that they are much behind them in thrift and Industry.
Cummins
Madeline (Robinson) Cummins, 28 years old. Nearly Full Blood. Well educated. Was educated as the public schools of Lake Benton, Minn. She is a dressmaker and supports her husband and herself by that. Her husband is a worthless white man addicted to drinking and gambling. Her two daughters, Grace, is 12 years old, and Ida, 10, are both in school at Riggs Institute.
Page 20
Sarah Robinson, 72 years old is his wife, and also receives rations.
Philip Robinson, 40 years old is at Pine Ridge Agency and is clerking in a store. He is not married and has no land.
Joseph Robinson, 26 years old lives with his grandmother Sarah Barker.
Charles Robinson, 30 years old. Studied at Santee, He has no land but has been living in town in Joe Carrows house and he is boarding him. He works as a laborer and is a good workman but not economical. He is not a drink. For the winter they have moved to Wabasha, Minn., but expect to return.
Sarah C. Robinson, 36 years old is the wife of Charles Robinson and a sister of Joseph Carrow. Through Carrow's help they bought 4.5 acres next to the school and between that and Carrow
s land which he bought. On this she has two acres and a barn. She rents one house to Nelson and the other to some other person, and the barn she rents to Superintendent Peirce of Riggs Institute, for the use of his team. Altogether she receives about thirteen dollars a month rental. She has one child, Walter A., 2 years old.
Mary Robinson, age 54 receives rations, She has no land but has a small house squatting on someone else's land.
Ellen Robinson, is a daughter of Mary Robinson and is 18 years old. She graduated at Riggs Institute and is now at Carlisle.
Stephen Robinson, 15 years old is the son of Mary. He was in school at Riggs Institute last years and expects to be back soon.
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Post by mdewakan on Nov 6, 2012 1:48:20 GMT -5
I have a Family Group sheet too with a Thomas Robinson (Tateohnainyanke) born in 1842 and is on the Flandreau Santee Census. He was 43 years old as of 7/1885 and list number is 98. He is not seen on the 1886-1891 Census. He married a Mary Robinson (Aiyawastewin) and she was born in 1850. She was 35 years old as of 7/1885 and list number is 99. She is not seen on the 1886-1891 census either. They had a daughter named Hattie and she was born in 1882. Her age was 3 as of 7/1885 and list number is 100.
On Martha Catherine Robinson Sheet, her father is listed as Thomas Charles Robinson. His parents Martha Ellen Richards and Charles Steven Robertson. Her mother is listed as Mary Elizabeth Morand. Her parents are Elizabeth Octave Morand and James Frank Morand.
Thomas lived, died, and buried at Lake Benton, Minn. 1847-1887
It states that Mary Morand was born at Flandreau in 1850, Lived in Lake Benton, Died and Buried at Sioux Falls in 1929. Spoke French and was descendant of Canadian French Ancestry.
They were married 24 May 1871 at Renville, Minn.
It goes on to list children. This is what I got from the Flandreau Tribe.
1873 Madeline
1874 Steven
1875 Bell (Isabel)
1879 Martha
1881 Charles
1884 Ellen
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Post by mdewakan on Nov 6, 2012 2:03:01 GMT -5
Base Roll No. 073 Cook, Madeline C. (Robinson)
Deg. IB Shown:1/2
DOB 11-14-1873
DOD 01-01-1946
Corrected Deg. of FSST IB: 1/4
Roll NO: 236 DIB: 3/4
Thomas Robinson 1/2
Mary Morand NI
Dennis Robinson NI
Mahpiyataninwin 4/4
James F. Morand NI
Elizabeth Octave NI
I also have a sheet for Philip Robinson born in 1856. He was known as Koska/Kosika
His father is Peter Robinson (Tasunkemaza) born in 1831 (brother? to Thomas) and his wife was Sarah (Tiyojanjawin, Tiyojajewin) born in 1829
Grandsons of Peter and Sarah is Willie Willis born in 1875 and Joseph Willis Abt. 1885. States in 1890 that Joseph is an orphan.
Magret (Margaret) Barker aka Mahpeicaduzewin listed as a sister to Peter. It says that she is seen in the Redwing family.
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Post by mdewakan on Nov 6, 2012 2:13:47 GMT -5
1885 Flandreau Census-This may explain Robinson/Moore connection
208 Kahoton John Moore Father M 57
209 Nagiyuhewin ? Mary Moore Wife F 53
210 Wicayahdatewin Oliver Henry Grandchild M 8
211 Lucinda Henry Grandchild F 6
212 Wakauhdstorinwin (spelling is terrible) Mary Moore Mother F 75
213 Sam Robertson Cousin M 31
214 Fannie Robertson Daughter F 33.
Below that is the Thomas Robinson family married to Mary Mastin.
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