Lucy Tiopa

[peacekeeper]

hermin1 said:

What puzzles me, Dawn is that Jennie's Indain name is Winona Tanka(Big first daughter) and in the Fort Snelling book we have, she is listed as having baptized a child named John Hebo, age 6 yrs., with a man named Hebo. Hebo is none other than one of the Wabasha dynasty of chiefs or a son of one of them. the baptism took place on Apr.26, 1863. Look on page 153 of the book. And we know she is the first born daughter.

I LOCATED A WINONA TANKA TODAY THAT WAS IN SOME OLD FAMILY PAPERS. IN 1878 SHE MARRIED MOSES WAKEMAN. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP IDENTIFY ANYONE OR NOT.

JACKIE

[dawn]

Thanks Jackie. This will give us a new lead to check out and see if we can seperate the two.

Dawn

[hermin1]

jackie; Iwould also appreciate any information on the Winiona Tanka you found.
if you allow that the native americans back then didn't tell times , like we do, and alllow at least 5 years tolerance, I can see the distinct possibility that there were two Winona Tankas.
this would blow the dictum I was told, to @@@@@. I was told that when a member of the tribe was given a name, that no one else in the tribe could take the name.
I am already have been told that there were 2 Tatiyopawastewins, and I do have 6 Cekpawins, and now qpossibly 3 Good Star Women.

[Curtis Kitto "MIKE"]

I am beginning to agree with you HERMIN! Especially when the names are female.

[hermin1]

yes. I forgot that there are 2 Red Clouds as well.
I found that out when I was searching for your Red cloud.
i also forgot about the ones named iron Elk tht have property in S. Dakota.

[wazi]

Isn't this all fun ;D ;D ;D ;D

[wapate]

WAZI
IT'S A BLAST! YEEEEEEHAW! RIDE-EM RESEARCHERS!

[peacekeeper]

hermin,
did you get the copy of the marriage of moses wakeman and winona tanka that took place in 1878? i sent it you on email.

jackie

[Curtis Kitto "MIKE"]

Jackie,

Thanks for the "Kanginupa - Two Crow" testimony.

Here is what I derived from it: My Great-Great-Great Grandfather "Wayaruga," was the father of two sons and a daughter (according to the testimony in the Two Crow probate hearing).

1. Tawotahedua, father of Hupa, father of Two Crow.

2. Wakanhoyekewin, mother of Paul Mazakute, father of Rebecca M. Frazier.

3. Cituwe, father of Mazaadidi Dennis Kitto, father of Joseph T. Kitto, father of Gordon E. Kitto, Sr., my Dad.

That is why I called Grandmother Rebecca Frazier, "Grandmother." I always wondered about that.

Thank you,

MIKE

[Curtis Kitto "MIKE"]

In my eagerness to thank Jackie, I misspelled Grandfather Tawotaheduta's name.

MIKE

[dawn]

Mike, do you know if Wakanhoyekewin was ever married to Wakanhdiota?

Thanks

Dawn

[wazi]

mazazadidi said:

Jackie,

Thanks for the "Kanginupa - Two Crow" testimony.

Here is what I derived from it: My Great-Great-Great Grandfather "Wayaruga," was the father of two sons and a daughter (according to the testimony in the Two Crow probate hearing).

1. Tawotahedua, father of Hupa, father of Two Crow.

2. Wakanhoyekewin, mother of Paul Mazakute, father of Rebecca M. Frazier.

3. Cituwe, father of Mazaadidi Dennis Kitto, father of Joseph T. Kitto, father of Gordon E. Kitto, Sr., my Dad.

That is why I called Grandmother Rebecca Frazier, "Grandmother." I always wondered about that.

Thank you,

MIKE

Hah

wazi

[fwaukazoo]

I was going over my files, and came across this:

Page 25.

CENSUS of the Sioux Indians of Pipestone Agency, Minn. On June 30th., 1926, taken by J. W. Balmer, Superintendent

Number
Last......Present...Indian Name....................English Name...Relationship... Date of Birth...Sex
(blank)..445.........Niece of Mary Wabasha...Taopi, Lucy........(blank).................1864...........F

All I have are five pages.
I can't remember where I got it???

Another Mary Wabasha!!!

[wapate]

I-YI-YI, Tahansi

it is just crazy about all these Mary's, I am still wondering which one is the wife of Grandpa Wabash II, we are still looking for his wives names, other than (a hochunk woman) and we still think "maybe" one was "Harriet Wabasha" mother of James Wabasha on 1886 census, because we know that Grandpa Thomas Wabasha (Wapate) had a brother named James...
tomorrow i will continue to search for the other childern of Bets, i will let you know what i find.
Here is one from left field, what if Grandma Bets was married to Grandpa Wabasha at one time? They did all come from the Farmer Camp area. Yeeeha! lol , after all her middle name was "Mary"
just somthing to get you goin. :-)
wapate

[fwaukazoo]

There is Hapan, or Lucy Taopi, 1818-1898, adopted grand-daughter Lucy Dick Taopi Thomas,
and Lucy Columbus Taopi in Taopi's family.


OLD BETSEY GENEALOGY
Itahotawin (Grey Face Woman) b.c. 1788-1863
Children:
1. Ticawakeya (Shelter Top), Indian Jim, One Legged Jim, Old Thad
2. Hinhdaku (He Who is Coming), -1850
3. Rattler (Kahdaya), or Causes to Rattle, -1850
4. Scarlet Hill Woman (Pahadutawin), -1853
5. Ellen (? Ellen Huntka, or Cormorant) 1885-
6. Betsey Mary St. Clair, "Old Bets," or (Hazainyankewin) 1803-1886
....husbands said to include: ? Iron Sword
....Children:

....1. Taopi (His Wound), 1824-1869; m. Hapan, or Lucy Taopi, 1818-1898
.......Children:
.......1. Samuel Taopi, 1845- m. Eunice, adopted Lucy Dick Taopi Thomas
.......2. Solon Taopi (Wiyopeyatahoksidan) 1860-1920; m. Lucy Columbus Taopi 1863-
.......3. child, d.1862
.......4. child, d.August 1862
.......5. Comelia Whipple Taopi 1861-1879
.......6. Nancy Taopi, 1837-1892
.......7. ? Elizabeth Taopi
..........There was a Charles Taopi, 1875-?, being raised by Tamazawin, his "grandmother";
..........Lucy Hibberd, 1840-?, was a cousin of Samuel Taopi

....2. Lightning Maker (Wakandikaga), or Job St. Clair 1825-1899
....3. Medicine (Helper) Woman (Pezutawin, or Pezutaokiyewin), or Lizzie Wells 1831-1840
....4. Scarlet Woman (Dutawin), or Mary Jones, 1834-
....5. Son, d.1850
....6. Son, d.1842
....7. Shooting Star, or Meteor (Wicanhpihiyaye)
....8. Scarlet Wing (Hupahuduta)
....9. Daughter--in. Many Hails (Tawasuota)
...10. ? Mary Payah (Bittertasting)
...11. ? Shining Iron, d.c.1848
...12. ? Nancy St. Clair (Anpahdiwin)

Old Betsey, The Life and Times of a Famous Dakota Woman and Her Family,
by Mark Diedrich

[tamara]

fwaukazoo said:

I was going over my files, and came across this:

Page 25.

CENSUS of the Sioux Indians of Pipestone Agency, Minn. On June 30th., 1926, taken by J. W. Balmer, Superintendent

Number
Last......Present...Indian Name....................English Name...Relationship... Date of Birth...Sex
(blank)..445.........Niece of Mary Wabasha...Taopi, Lucy........(blank).................1864...........F

All I have are five pages.
I can't remember where I got it???

Another Mary Wabasha!!!

I might have some of the pages of this census too! who knows maybe we can have a complete copy if we put it together! lol

[dawn]

Fwaukazoo, do you by chance know who the parents of Lucy Dick Taopi Thomas were?

Thank you

Dawn

[wapate]

Hey Dawn
I am using the same genealogy as Francis, and it shows Lucy Dick Taopi Thomas as the adopted daughter of Samuel and Eunice Taopi, the paper does not show Lucy's birth parents.
Good Luck!
wapate

[peacekeeper]

In the 1885 Santee census, William and Jane Dick had a daughter, Lucy Dcik, age 7. I know that Jane died and William remarried to a Sarah Graham. This could be the same Lucy.

Jackie

[dawn]

Thanks Jackie and Wapate.

Appreciate your help.

Dawn