|
Post by vmarier on May 15, 2006 20:15:02 GMT -5
Tamara could you look for my great grandmother? Her name was Josephine Red Day or Anpetudutawin or Anpetulutawin. She was married to a furtrade during the mid 1800's. My great grand father, Antoine DeRockbraine, was born in MN in 1870 and his brother, Charles DeRockbraine, was born ten years earlier also in MN. We are looking for any records about her. Antoine was on one of the Sisseton annuity rolls. vmarier
|
|
|
Post by vmarier on May 15, 2006 20:17:12 GMT -5
Tamara We found an Ampetoosha that signed the 1851 Traverse des Sioux treaty but I've been searching for him in Dakota History sites and I haven't found anything about him or his family after that. Any information would be greatly appreciated. vmarier
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 15, 2006 21:08:53 GMT -5
Anpetuxa or Anpetusa is Redday and he was the brother of RedIron. I do have some information on the family. Are there certain descendants you are looking for?
|
|
|
Post by vmarier on May 16, 2006 9:16:18 GMT -5
Tamara Where did you find this information? I'v been on different websites reading about Dakota history. We are looking for a connection of my GGgrandmother to her family in MN. We know they are from MN because an older female relative said the older relatives spoke with a D and there is family oral history. They moved to Standing Rock and stayed. Sometimes people can connect with the husband's name but we know that the name "DeRockbraine" was changed from it original form. We don't know the orginal name. Anpetudutawin was married to Andrew DeRockbraine. We know he was born in B.C. and he may have been a half-breed. We tried looking on various Metis surname databases but there are so many possible variations that it is overwhelming. We also know that Andrew had two brothers Charles and Joseph. Joseph went home. Andrew named his oldest son Charles and Antoine was born ten years later. We have U.S. census forms that state Antoine's birthplace and Antoine's father's birthplace. We have church records to document that Anpetudutawin (Josephine or Josephina Red Day) was his mother and a report written in an interview format where Antoine said his father was a half-breed. Any information would be greatly appreciated. vmarier
|
|
|
Post by vmarier on May 16, 2006 11:02:12 GMT -5
I just spoke to one of my cousins and she said her mother has remembered more about the family's life in MN. She's gong to send me an e-mail and I'll post more information later. I found the McLaughlin papers here at the Univ. of MT and I'm going over to search them. Our Ggrandfather is in the papers. vmarie
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 16, 2006 12:30:41 GMT -5
I would like to be clear that I have not seen the name Anpetuduta or Anpetuluta as of yet. I will check for Josephine shortly. What I am basing my post on is the historical information from the Sisseton Agency mentions Anpetusa or Redday often. They are a very large and well known family on the reservation now. The books I have seen him mentioned in are
Ehanna Woyakapi Appendix II Dakota People 1700's -1800's
Anpetusa Red Day Anpetusa Brother of Red Iron and Mazamani Signed Treaty of 1851
Old Traverse des Sioux Thomas Hughes
page 176 Treaty of 1851 Translates Am pay too sha (Red Day)
Page 76 of the same book (speaking of the signing of the treaty) "After Orphan, Limping Devil signed, then Sleepy Eyes; Big Curly Head, The Walnut signs; The Handsome Man; The Whistler; Gray Thunder; Good Boy; Face-in-the-mist; son of Curly Head; RED DAY; young Sleepy Eyes; and The Rattling Moccasin sign."
44th Congress 1st Session House of Representative Ex. Doc. No. 42 Sisseton and Wahpeton Sioux Indians ------------------------ Letter from The Secretary of the Interior transmitting The draght of a bill providing for a modification of the requirements of the fifth article of the treaty of February 19, 1837, with the Sisseton and Wahpeton Bands of the Sioux Indians, and recommending the same to the consideration of Congress
Department of the Interior Washington DC December 23, 1875 .... Schedule of Allotments of land in severalty assigned to the members of the Sisseotn and Wahpteon... bearing the date of May 14, 1875
1. Gabrielle Renville ... Page 17 of this document
132. An-pe-tu-xa (land description and acreage etc)
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 16, 2006 13:13:06 GMT -5
There is an Anpetudutawin listed as having an allotment record in the Sisseton Agency files
Anpetudutawin 361 (handwritten in 98) shows no english name
Anpetusa (Jonah Redday) 1333
Redday names on this list
Redday, Anna (LaCroix) 403-700 Redday, Anna Max (Wicite) 387 Redday, Augusta 390-872 Redday, Abel (Manikiya) 809 Redday, Daniel 404 Redday, David 1334 Redday, Ella (Dumarce) 816-399 Redday, Emma (Dumarce) 870-389 Redday, Esther 401 Redday, James 869-388 Redday, John 394-811 Redday, Joseph 391 Redday, Enoch (Tiniyaye) 1198 Redday, Stella (Hisgun-Tamazakan) 529 Redday, Louisa 392 Redday, Mary 395-812 Redday, Marie (Wakanyuhewin) 958 Redday, Moses A 393-810 Redday, Joshua 397 Redday, Nancy 815 Redday, Nancy 871 Redday, Samuel (Hoyekiya) 813 Redday, Samuel Jr (Tatrmuyankuna) 400-814 Redday, Sara (Oiyotankewankanwin) 398 Redday, Sophia 402 Redday, William 699 Redday, Rose (Wilson) 396 Redday, Jonah (Anpetusa or Anpetuxa) 1333
If you notice, some of the numbers run together in families. Sort of like if they are allotted together and Anpetudutawin's allotment number does not run close to the Redday's family numbers. This might mean although her name is close she might not be of the same family. I am going to look a little more and post later.
|
|
|
Post by vmarier on May 16, 2006 22:28:35 GMT -5
thank you. We requested a probate file for our other ggrandmother and asked for a records search for this gggrandmother but then the sisseton agency said they were closing to computerize the files and they're not going to do anything until around June 1. They said they have about 100 requests waiting to be done but we were dying to find out more about her after we figured out that this ggrandmother was from MN too. vmarier
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 17, 2006 0:00:49 GMT -5
Very interesting family. I see according to the 1900 Census Charles DeRockbaine was born in 1858 in Minnesota, father from Brittish Columbia but crossed out and written in C E and mother from South Dakota. No Indian name but is only 1/4 white blood and Sioux. Josephine was born in 1863 in North Dakota, although both parents show to have been born in South Dakota, interesting huh? She is full blood sioux and is shown as Anpetu, which must be the shortened version of the indian name you know she has, Anpetuduta or luta. According to the dates of the children's births, in 1885 they were born in South Dakota. If I am not mistaken I do see a death record listed for her, have you looked at that? I was surprised to see the parents indian names on many of the ancestors death certificates, even those born that long ago. Often it seems, oral history prevails and the younger informing generation remember who their parents were... I should also mention that www.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00535.htmlshowed a listing of papers that included the name of Antoine Derockbraine and the papers are focused on the indian people and some of the Hidatsa nation, Buffalo Bird Woman. A great story, by the way. Was there something that you know about her history that ties her to the Sisseton Reservation? Tamara
|
|
|
Post by vmarier on May 17, 2006 18:45:39 GMT -5
Charles is Antoine's older brother. A 1900 U.S. Census states Antoine was born in MN and we were told they were both born in MN. My cousin's mother wrote a history of some information that she remembered and it is written down. The furtrader gggrandfather had two brothers that were also fur traders. Our gggrandfather stopped trading and signed on at Fort Randall in SD. One brother went home and one brother stayed in Granite Falls and started a hide and fur company. Our gggrandfather, Andrew, married a woman from Sissseton, Anpetudutawin, and their children were Charles and Antoine DeRockbraine who were both born in MN. They later moved to Standing Rock. I write to Hudson's Bay Trading Co. with a research request and they sent back several possible leads but they said they found a Joseph Brien dit DesRocher who worked for the Northwestern Fur Co. We knew the original name contained "Brien" and "Roche." Our GUncle Tom remembers traveling to Granite Fall, MN as a child to visit relatives particularly a male cousin, Chaske. All the DeRockbraines of my GUncle Tom have records at the Sissseton Agenck and we received payment from the Sisseton/Wahpeton Judgement Funds. So now I'm going to check with old Northwestern Fur Co., the Minnesota History Journals and the U.S. government pension files for the fur trader. Antoine married Domitilla Iron Shield who also has family from Sisseton. The Aberdeen Area Office told us this fact when they were tracking down people for the Sisseton/Wahpeton Judgement Fund dispersement. We have family oral history, gggrandparent spoke with a D in a village of L speakers and some documentation. We are waiting for the Sissseton Agency to reopen their enrollment and probate office for our request for information. No I haven't seen a death record and what does CE mean? We have read in a few articles that Antoine was Chief Gall's grandson and Sitting Bull's grandson and I asked my cousin if they have any family trees with these two chiefs on them and noone does. vmarier
|
|
|
Post by vmarier on May 17, 2006 18:48:43 GMT -5
I'm aware of the Wilson book. My aunt had a copy but that was a long time ago and now no one knows where it's at. vmarier
|
|
|
Post by derockbraine1 on May 17, 2006 20:13:02 GMT -5
Thanks for all the information. The Anpetudutawin or Anpetulutawin we are looking for was married to Charles DeRockbraine's father, his name was Andrew DeRockbraine. Her English name was Josephina Red Day. She would have been born approximately in the 1830's or 1840's. Could we get further information of that census you found with her allotment number to get an approximate age? We found Catholic Baptismal records of their children and found her English name on a census given by her son Antoine DeRockbraine. derockbraine1
|
|
|
Post by derockbraine1 on May 17, 2006 20:31:10 GMT -5
We have located another one of our great ancestors on the 1909 S/W Annuity rolls, could someone please help us in locating any information on her? Her name is Tawacinwastewin (Good hearted woman) English name is Lucy Hawk married to Bede Hawk. They lived in Bullhead, South Dakota now called Rock Creek, South Dakota. Thanks! derockbraine1
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 18, 2006 10:31:20 GMT -5
I was going through a cd, some very kind person sent me, and found the name clearly DeRockbraine on the 1860 federal census. Pembina/Red River Valley. If you have not yet seen this census let me know okay, and I will get it to you
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 18, 2006 11:10:01 GMT -5
You mentioned speaking with the Aberdeen area office, were they unable to give you information on Anpetudutawin? The listing I have that shows her name is not a census, rather, a list of "allotted persons" and probate numbers. do you know of any other sisseton relatives or names connected to her? I have looked through the same list to tawacinwastewin or good hearted woman and also through the last name Hawk. also dropped the ta and also looked for Cantewastewin, etc. and came up with nothing. I do not have the 1909 s/w annuity roll but am on a search for everything relating to payment to the scouts. I do have the 1891 Elrod list and am also going to review a paper I saw showing in the early part of the 1900's a meeting set up for the wife of Joe Wanna and Josephine frenier pertaining to the service of their husbands as scouts. I am questioning why this was done and what resulted of this meeting.
Tamara
|
|
|
Post by vmarier on May 18, 2006 13:16:59 GMT -5
No I have't seen this census. I would like a copy and thank you so much. No they didn't. I called and spoke to Karen Joseph and asked if she had any more information and she told me that for the Sisseton Judgement they were only required to go back to 1900 and that's all her department researched. She was very nice. She tracked me down and called me on a Sunday here in Montana when they were looking for descendats for Sisseton. Before this incident I just did not think of my ancestors and now my cousin and I are both researching and we are learning so much. What band lived in Pembina/Red River Valley. We did a cursory search of MN but not in depth because we've been hung up on the Sisseton records. No I don't know any relatives in Sisseton but my brother dances and he said that he has talked to Iron Shields and Littles in Sisseton and they told him they were relatives. My parents are deceased and we are relying on our childhood memories because we were told of our family history as children. Some older relatives and my cousin's mother is also gradually remembering things as we are discovering more and more. Every day we are finding out something new and it's really exciting. Oh Iron Shields and Littles relationship is to Antoine's wife, Domitilla Ironshield. So we have more than one MN ancestor. We were hoping to find Joseph Iron Shield on this roll but he wasn't enrolled here at Standing Rock after they came here. But we just discovered Anpetudutawin through research looking for our other gggrandmother. My cousin found Antoine's baptismal record in some old Catholic church records at the Heritage Center in Bismarck, ND. vmarier
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 18, 2006 13:56:16 GMT -5
send me an email to my address ttordsen@aol.com and I will mail you what I saw.
|
|
|
Post by derockbraine1 on May 18, 2006 17:19:05 GMT -5
HI Tamara, Just got home from work, please email the website also for the DeRockbraine on the Pembina/REd River Valley census. We do have relatives from Sisseton, our great Grandmother's name is Domatilla Iron Shield, her father's name is Joseph Iron Shield (Wahacakamaza) and her mother is Mary Iron Shield, (Tacunwambdiwin) Eagle Body Woman, but they shortened her last name is Eagle Boy. Also I did find Tawacinwastewin on the 1909 3rd quarter annuity roll that was emailed to me. She is also a great Grandmother. Other names that I found on my family tree are Little Knife, White Thunder, and Great Tooth. Thanks! derockbraine1
|
|
|
Post by derockbraine1 on May 18, 2006 17:22:17 GMT -5
Hi Tamara, Forgot my email buckley@westriv.com DRB1
|
|
|
Post by tamara on May 20, 2006 15:23:54 GMT -5
marpiinape, at one time lived in Fort Thompson, but don't know where she came from cause her son Nobbin La Roche, at one time lived in Greenwood . She's not enrolled over there cause they know nothing on her,she had a daughter named Day Woman, she at one time was married to Mr. Two Crows, and had a son named John Stone, and a daughter named Pretty Dirt Woman. I am sorry I don't have any dates. Cause I don't know where they were born or where they came from. Day Woman I believe was born about 1859? so my g.g.grandmother had to have been born way before that . Like I said all I have is on my g,grandfather's papers was his mother's name Marpiinapewin and he was born 1856 and died 1927. Sorry I don't have more, but absolutely nothing. Thanks Tamara. www.fsst.org/PDFs/Church_History_Booklet.pdfthis booklet mentions james dickey akicitamaza and his wife marpiyahdinapewin and it is spelled a bit different but interesting enough. What does the name of your ancesotr translate to mean. the spelling you were given is a little confusing to me. I would guess it to be Marpiya nape win so like Cloud and nape/hand woman. But that is with my language limitations.. lol Tamara PS I should mention that fact that this booklet page 26 also shows John Marpiya and his wife Wakanhdi yahe win. Who is this?
|
|