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Post by jrandjb on Apr 24, 2006 16:06:22 GMT -5
Where can I find any type of records from Sisseton...census, annunity payments, land records? Anyone have any ideas? When I called the probate...they told me they WON'T do anything for a couple months....
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Post by tamara on Apr 24, 2006 16:39:43 GMT -5
I keep a number of Sisseton records and know a very knowledgable historian. (lol) What can I help you with?
Tamara
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Post by peacekeeper on Apr 24, 2006 17:22:21 GMT -5
tamara,
do you have any early sisseton census" for example 1860s, 1870s, 1880s?
jackie
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Post by jrandjb on Apr 24, 2006 17:49:32 GMT -5
I am looking for info on Samuel St. Cloud or Cloud. He is Robert's son and he died in 1923. His last address,was Peever SD along with his mother Jane (Otherday) Cloud Gilbert. Thought maybe his probate was done up there.......
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Post by jrandjb on Apr 27, 2006 14:09:37 GMT -5
I keep a number of Sisseton records and know a very knowledgable historian. (lol) What can I help you with? Tamara Tamara...have you had a chance to check yet? I received the other info you sent. THANKS!! |
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Post by tamara on Apr 27, 2006 14:49:08 GMT -5
I am sorry I got sidetracked! The historian I know who doesnt get to sign on here often has sent me a private document that I have been intrigued by. I havent even gotten to the c's yet and have three pages of notes. On the list of allotted persons or person with land interests in the Sisseton Reservation the only Clouds I see are:
Cloud, Anna (Standfast)
Cloud, Bert (Tinazepewankan or Tinazipewastena)
Cloud, Emma (Enoch - Wastemaniwin)
Cloud, George (Itewakanna)
Cloud, George (Sevenbrothers - Mazawahacanka)
Cloud, Richard
Cloud, Willie
Under the list of "Person not from this reservation" (Again I have to stress this is a privat document done by my grandfathers family that is based on the list made by the BIA office in Sisseton. This list was obviously done quite some time back and last updated in 1961. The person who kept this was very active in the community and born in the early 1900's and it must have been passed on to him to keep. The names are often corrected in handwriting and other notations are made by names to clarify who they are. I trust it completly as I often cross reference and find the same. It has not failed me yet)(
#363 Cloud, John this is crossed out Sisseton, SD
#362 Cloud, Moses not crossed out but no location listed
The only West listed is
#535 West, Thomas Yankton Sioux
There is no Marpiyasunka
1891 Annuity Roll
203 Cloud, Richard Tatokana age 23
Annie 19
William R. Boy 1
I find nothing on Isabella or Elizabeth, but I know the letter I have heard of to the agency states that she is enrolling there in 1908, with a daughter in cheyenne river married to a son of yellow hawk.
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Post by tamara on Apr 27, 2006 15:29:57 GMT -5
My understanding of Nancy West is that as a young woman she was raised on the Sisseton Reservation. I have seen the 1900 Cheyenne River Census showing her birthdate to be 1874. Interesting as the marriage of John B and Isabella takes place according to the word carrier Jan 1876 (thanks to MDenney or whoever??..lol) It is amazing to me that I am unable to find nancy in the sisseton records. As it would seem that John B and his wife live in the flandrue area, I am wondering if she, nancy, is living with a first wife of John b possibly or with grandparents. This however doesnt make sense if JOhn B says that Ipagewin has a daughter who lived in Cheyenner River married to a son of Yellow Hawk. I just dont get it and I am puzzled that I cant find her YET... lol I do however like a challange, unfortunately it sometimes doesnt take much to challenge ME!!
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Post by jrandjb on Apr 27, 2006 16:48:17 GMT -5
Tamara,
John B and Isabella (Elizabeth) did get married in 1876....in the church. Nancy Winona wouldn't be in the sisseton records. She is on most of the Flandreau census until she married Allen West(grandson of Chief Yellowhawk). Then they move to Cheyenne River. Samuel could be listed as Samuel St. Cloud also... Isabella or Elizabeth and Ipagewin are one and the same. I am getting so frustrated...I am about challenged out...LOL
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Post by tamara on May 2, 2006 15:25:57 GMT -5
I am looking over the 1966 Plat Map of the Peever area and see some of the names surrounding the area of Lawrence Township. I will go over the surrounding townships as well. I spend some time in the area and my ancestor MatoIteWakan lived there and I have the maps to pinpoint the exact locations of things that pertain to the history of his family. I am going to write some of the names I see in this township
John Campbell
Mazakoyagmani
Wikspawin
Sylvester Robertson and Eunice Robertson
Alexander Goodboy
Jennie Dowan
George Down
Pleasenwin
Lucy Pan
Sara Pan (again... with the Pan family...LOL) everytime I search for clouds I see them...
John Pan
fred and mary howard
Iyoyanhudan
ampaokeiyomin
justine otherday
Addie Lawrence
Margaret Lablanc
nancy Lablanc
eliza bluecloud
etta bluecloud
Lucy, Levi, and Fred Lawrence
Earl P Owen s
Charles Amos
Ironshield
anthoy bluecloud
horace greeley
nora bluecloud
jenette blue
george wantawa
chales finley
mary elixis
Easter Township near peever
Peter Renville
John Bear (MY G/Grandpa!!!)
Anna Renville
Mary Goodboy
Jane A Robertson (MY G/G/G/G grandmother!) couldnt resist..lol
William Wakanna
Thomas Pan
Joseph Sevenbrothers
Wicastawaste
susan bluecloud
margaret makarota
stephen crawford
john wilson
David Stone
lazarus skyman
bert cloud
levi cloud
lydia seaboy
tahorandutawin
marpiyaduta
wacehin
kinajinwin
isabella makarota
wiyamwastena
samuel makahota
christ cloud
gratna cloud
albert goodstar
susan james
john dowanku
wakanhdiduta
tuwankata
mary williams
Agency Township
jennie tatiyapasnwin
sara renville
eliza renville
wasurdegawin
john german
margaret renville
moses bluecloud
elias gilbert
john m bluecloud
wm campbell
lucy l cambell
rosette barker
gideon bluecloud
nancy cedus
goodboy
tiomanipi
hokxldannasa
joseph campbell
robert dowan
Isaac Sabin.... this person is of interest to me as a friend has begun to search for a connection to Wakute
Tawajunhuta
wowimnaka
caske
jeny german
ptesawin
mazatopawin
wysan
inihan
adam greeley
toicuwin
john tiomawipi
wamdikoyakewin
max renville
ptena
william redearth
joseph hayes
Robert Grant
Wauskyena
Maggie Renville
Emma Esau
Mary Red
Mazatopawin
John Kampeska
Cekpawin
John J Long (next to bureu of catholic missions)
Victor Renville on otherside
Iyoyankeudan
Cekpain
wakjkikiyapi
Winona Grant
Gabriel Renville
Peter Renville
John Bear
Ptesanwin
Wakanto
Hocokaduta
Moses Renville
Sophia Renville
David Twostars
soloman twostars
Elizabeth Renville
Mattie Wind
Thomas Renville
Peter Bigfire
charles crawford
jessie fairbault
david fairbault
jennie grey
Goodwill Township
Wakanna
Jennie Bear
Rebecca Eastman
Akipa
Makaojanjanwin
William Shepard
Jessie Shepard
John LittleThunder
Joseph Keoke
Narcis Frenier
Cora Frenier
Sophia Max
Samuel Tawicu
Ixykiye
Borpa
Nancy Leaf
Moses Hart
Emma Hart
Louis Titus
Zitkatoduta
Teriyaku
Lee Township
David Amos
Sara Fire Cloud
Florence Eastman
Spring Grove Township
Joseph Hail
Hinhanrota (is that Grey Owl?)
Eliza Renville
Moses Mireau
(this all near ascension presbyterian church)
Micheal Renville
Daniel Renville
Anna Campbell
David Amos
Thomas Blue Cloud
tunkanaputomani
lydia horn
rdogowin
alivina redwing
charles paul
elick spider
wiaypawin
tawacanhinsizana
baptiste barker
amos ectukiya
tukanwaxtehwin
wicakunzewin
george redwing
john tasinta
emma starlight
wamdiduta
isaac wasu
tacanrpiiyojanjan
wakinyansapa
irene campbell
marpiyadutawin
tukanmaza
tiyosnawin
whitedog
mniaskatewin
marpiyadutawin
tawanesnana
dido cante
lizzie cante
frank whipple
henry heocokawakan
esther makagi
alice upiiyahewin
william hopkins
ticewin
takutawa
julia renville
lucy heminger
marpiyahowastewin
makanakunhunze
joshuah esau
babe esaw
hapistena
Wallace D Blood
napewakanhdiwin
pasu
joseph bird
moses decoteau
josephine thompson
I might have an older plat book of the area that also shows recent and old plats at least 1910. I am going to go through the peever areas on that one. My stepfather has one of the sisseton agency, I am hoping he will misplace at my house since he has taken the time to go through the names and keeps track of the indian families and stuff in it.
Bossko Township is notheast of Sisseton but had the name Cloud in it so I am showing the names as well
Jacob Goodbird
paul Win
John Fast Bear
GreyCloud
Moses Mani
Angangmani Simon
Arthur Greycloud
Louise Heduta
Sintebirn
Bessie J Max
Augusta Standfast
Lucy max
Eli Finley
Daniel and Abel Max
Abraham Heduta
Anna Cloud
Jonah Standfast
Eve Ark
Samuel Wakanhdiitecedan
George Pan
Susan Hinhanna
Emma Heduta
Marpiyahowastewin
mary Asampidutawin
Hanna standfast
Louisa Duggan
Asampidutawin
joshus johnson
Mary Johnson
Moses Max
Mary Roy
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Post by hermin1 on May 3, 2006 23:45:37 GMT -5
You need to get the Rolls for Sisseton from the Minn. Hist. Soc. in St. Paul. They are in Records Group 75-Records of the BIA. they cost 3 dollars/roll to rent for I believe 3 weeks,and you have to use them in your local library(you cn't take them out ). the Mormons at their Family History Center can also get them for you but I believe they charge double what Minnesota charges.
the 1966 Census rolls aren't going to help you one bit if you're trying to find someone who lived earlier.
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Post by tamara on May 4, 2006 14:26:44 GMT -5
The names listed above are from a 1966 Plat Map and dont have anything to do with census rolls. The land that my grandmother lives on shows the name of her grandfather and as lots of family sometimes have land near each other the maps also show those who were allotted or just lived near them. Even the 1966 map shows the many of the original names although certainly much changes over the years. Often the maps show me who the land passed down to and all and all I have found them to be an excellent "presumptive starting point" to indicate family relations. One plat map I have show the 1910 townshps maps and the current township map on the other page. Sometimes the maps will show a persons indian name when the other records dont. I realize it is not a normal research resource but has worked so well for me in the Sisseton areas, I thought I would check it for Clouds. The Sisseton Reservation also had published a large Plat Map showing the allotment numbers and indian names. Who the lands were allotted to and where was fantastic to see. I forget that sometimes the focus here is lineage and I tend to lean towards, lineage/history. I also like the maps as they show the churches in the areas, schools and nearest towns. Sometimes it is just pleasant to see ones ancestors in the area they lived and then see the neighbors wind up being in-laws when the children marry. That kind of stuff. I also have a document that was given to me by a man who purchased it on ebay and kind enough to share. It has the original allottees of the Sisseton Reservationa with the indian names and then land descriptions. The plat maps help to cross reference that information as well. I had just found my ancestors maiden name a week ago and knowing where she lived gave me an idea of first names to search for. Lots of different ways to use them, maybe not as useless at it might seem.
Tamara
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Post by Barbara on May 4, 2006 20:43:08 GMT -5
Tamara-
Would you please check for a George Campbell. I have a document showing that he was requesting land at the Sisseton Reservation that is dated 1893. Also three of his children were born at Hart Township, Roberts County, South Dakota.
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Post by sara on May 4, 2006 23:24:48 GMT -5
Hi Tamara,
I would be interested in your plats as well. My mother-in-law holds land originaly Browns Valley (?) and then on Sisseton Res. but she really never knew how the original alloted relative was related to her. She has never tried to locate it up there in Sisseton, as well as land she inherited in Crow Creek. I will have to look at her Heirship papers and get the name of the original alloted sisseton relative and see if the name comes up on your plats. I am sure it was a womans Dakota name. I know it was through my mother inlaws father Arthur Thornton, His father was William Thornton and his mother was Alice Walker.
I will get the name tomorrow.
Thanks in advance,
Sara
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Post by tamara on May 5, 2006 0:55:22 GMT -5
Hi Tamara, I would be interested in your plats as well. My mother-in-law holds land originaly Browns Valley (?) and then on Sisseton Res. but she really never knew how the original alloted relative was related to her. She has never tried to locate it up there in Sisseton, as well as land she inherited in Crow Creek. I will have to look at her Heirship papers and get the name of the original alloted sisseton relative and see if the name comes up on your plats. I am sure it was a womans Dakota name. I know it was through my mother inlaws father Arthur Thornton, His father was William Thornton and his mother was Alice Walker. I will get the name tomorrow. Thanks in advance, Sara Sound interesting, I followed up on a similar situation with my ancestors inherited land interests on another reservation and it led to the knowledge that our family descends from Standing Buffalo. So you never know what you might be missing. Send me the name and any numbers it might have associated with it and I will see what I might be able to find. |
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Post by tamara on May 5, 2006 0:58:14 GMT -5
Tamara- Would you please check for a George Campbell. I have a document showing that he was requesting land at the Sisseton Reservation that is dated 1893. Also three of his children were born at Hart Township, Roberts County, South Dakota. I will check the information I have and am sure that there is a George Campbell and if I am not mistaken I think he is the brother of the Sisseton interpreter Henry F Campbell. I know there is another younger generation George Campbell. I will let you know what I see in Hart Township and on the annuity roll. Tamara |
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Post by sara on May 5, 2006 16:59:22 GMT -5
Hi Tamara,
I found the Inventory and Appraisment of Indian Trust Lands paperI was looking for.
According to the records of the Sisseton Agency, SD Florence Wolfe Thornton, 382-U00978, at the time of her death was possessed of the following trust or restricted propertyon the Sisseton Reservation....
Inherited Interests:
Allotment
SW 753
Marpiyawastewin
Probate 58624-21
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Post by tamara on May 5, 2006 21:03:16 GMT -5
Hi Tamara, I found the Inventory and Appraisment of Indian Trust Lands paperI was looking for. According to the records of the Sisseton Agency, SD Florence Wolfe Thornton, 382-U00978, at the time of her death was possessed of the following trust or restricted propertyon the Sisseton Reservation.... Inherited Interests: Allotment SW 753 When I run the number through a private document I have been privledged to see, I get directed to Mary Rosa Demarrias but when I look through her land interests I dont see the allotment number 753. I do see her father Abraham Demarrias to be allotted #751 and other family have close numbers so it is something to consider but doesnt mean anything at this point. The Marpiyawastewin that I am aware of is Nancy Lovejoy a wife of Asa Lovejoy, but her allottment number is 559 not 753. Next to her on the list is Marpiyawastewin and she certainly has the number 753 just as your papers show, I just dont have an english name for her yet. So you happen to show a land discription? or anything else that might help. The Demarrias lands are in Marshall County so I will need to check and see if I can get a look at my stepdads map and that would show me more. |
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Post by sara on May 5, 2006 21:34:55 GMT -5
Thanks so much!! I refiled the papers and they are in the basement, I am headed to bed.
Talk with you tomorrow.
Sara
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Post by peacekeeper on May 5, 2006 22:36:19 GMT -5
i just went into the search files to see what there was on a marpiyawastewin. you should both take a look at it. make sure you type in 500 days. one of the sites said that julia sky was her mother.
jackie
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Post by tamara on May 5, 2006 23:08:46 GMT -5
I saw that on the probate for Elizabeth Rupa Lovejoy as well. She inherited land interest from Marpiyawastewin #559 This would be Nancy Lovejoy. It does show her mother to be Julia Siutena or Julia Sky/Marpiya. I am also going to need to find out who Elizabeth Lovejoy's mother is she is listed only as Anpetu and underneath it says santee. Elizabeth was born apox 1850 and Nancy Marpiyawastewin is shown to be born 1840 so that could not be her mother...
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