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Post by mdenney on Dec 9, 2006 2:27:22 GMT -5
I like the post.
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Post by tamara on Dec 9, 2006 18:52:29 GMT -5
I do as well. The message of unity is clear and much stressed. I couldnt agree more but think that maybe we need a plan to help it progress.
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Post by redbrother on Dec 12, 2006 19:11:09 GMT -5
I really like the responses on this post. You all had something good to say on the subject. Jazzdog, I must say, I can only speculate on what position you may hold, which to me is an important one, and I won't try to guess on that. But I will say, I am most impressed by your writtings.
Folks, I had another thought on being an 'untainted' person. If you want to help others, then help them 'help themselves' and do it the best way you know how. Help them find the power within themselves. Good luck!
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Post by jazzdog on Dec 16, 2006 0:59:20 GMT -5
Redbrother
thanks for the kind words. I too appreciate your extremely insightful words and posts as well...if we all had that same drive to discover the truth and do what is right, we would all be alot further on our path. take care
Jazzdog
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Post by mdenney on Dec 16, 2006 2:11:59 GMT -5
take care...? You sound like this is the end...? I am honored that you all have shared your beautiful info on here...it has helped many and may even help many more. When the forum started out it was at 1 member...accomplishments have been met by both the members and the staff and I assure you that your being here online is very welcomed.
Thank you.
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Post by jazzdog on Jan 4, 2007 2:48:52 GMT -5
Jamie
I wanted to respond to your last post of Dec. 16th on this thread.....please understand that but for your efforts and those close to you who collectively put this great sharing site together, many of us out here, would not be able to exchange the ideas, thoughts, notions, theories, pictures and beautiful individual real stories that everyone does.......I hope that continues. I also hope that the case continues..... I say this because I have been outspoken on the issue of the summonses issued to Shakopee and Prairie Island previously. I can only hope that the court will do the just and right thing......Mr. Kaardal's brief and argument is compelling....however, the arguments and analysis of the briefs of the communities and the US on the summonses issue are also very compelling. The hearing set by the court for the 25th of January 2007 is for purposes of hearing oral argument on that issue alone. As you know, the issuance of the summonses to the communities has basically held this case in limbo until that issue is resolved by Judge Lettow, since the July 18th hearing. We are now in Jan. 2007.....can you see how one issue can delay everything?
Despite the best arguments or plausible intentions to correct an alleged wrongful formation of the communities in 1969 and forward, it should be realized that the US Ct. of Federal Claims likely does not have the jurisdiction to get into those issues of formation, organization, enrollment or political or financial integrity of the individual communities, but only the jurisdiction to deal with the claims directed solely at the US for its breach of trust to the lineal descendants as beneficiaries of the past congressional acts. Although the arguments put forth by the Kaardal group are no doubt well founded in principle and well meaning, it seems that since this court can not likely exercise the proper jurisdiction to do what Mr. Kaardal and Ms. Buttes wish to do (i.e. potentially divest and reinvent the corporate and enrollment makeup of the present communities at PI and SMSC), the process of pursuing a real and viable remedy for the true lineal descendants, is placed on hold for who knows how long while the court deals with those pressed issues. Even the US and the Lower Sioux have both acknowledged that the PIIC and the SMSC are both tribes with tribal sovereignty and sovereignty immunity as the communities' rights to self determination under prior case precedent. It seems healthy to the lineal descendants, that the communities' tribal sovereignty remain, for future concerns. It is always just and commendable if the officials in any tribal government are good people, acting with honesty, openness, integrity and fairness......however, I think we all know of instances where tribal officials (and even Federal officials) have taken actions in our memory that lead us to believe that matters are fixed and someone is getting screwed.......that is no different in any level of government, but in the tribal context, we are obligated to police our own because of own tribal sovereignty, when it occurs, or soon thereafter, so as to challenge the alleged wrongdoers as the alleged deeds are committed, or in the upcoming elections to rid the ruling boards of the corrupt individuals or factions. Tribal governments as sovereign entities are left to decide these issues as long as they do not violate the constitution of the tribe and the US. A well schooled and wise relative has said to me to not forget the true goal.........the true goal in this case for so many, can mean so many different things.....however, one aspect of that true goal is undoubtedly the realization of the truth of the wrongs that occurred dating back to 1831,1851, 1862 and beyond....it is the realization that we have tried our best and done our best, in the eyes of our anscestors, to adjust the inequities that resulted at the hands of the US towards our people........if we prevail on those basic concepts of the truth and the need for a just remedy, the rest of the portrait will be painted......partly by the courts, partly by the craft of the lawyers, partly by luck, but mostly by our individual and collective love for and unity with each other to reach that common goal. The portrait can be the most beautiful thing on earth........but we will have to see all of us in there; the elders, the adults, the children, the babies, all facing forward, (not looking back in some guiltfilled version of hiding from the truth).....but all, embraced by the loving and real glow of the lighted spirits of those very anscestors that breathe life in our lungs so that we have the breath to speak the truth when it matters most..........the time is coming.
Jazzdog
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Post by mdenney on Jan 4, 2007 6:03:39 GMT -5
I read this and see that it is clear...thaks for the information jazzdog.
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Post by mrharmon on Jan 16, 2007 13:56:12 GMT -5
Hi, I have entered a few posts to different ones, inguiries, and also one to red brother last week and can't find any of them posted, I don't know what I am doing wrong, but it seems like I never posted at all, will try this, this time and see if it comes up, I think this board is very informative and I feel bad to think all this time I could have maybe gotten answers. Marilyn
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Post by wanbligi on Jan 17, 2007 22:14:04 GMT -5
Board members:
Thank you for your comments in this post, most interesting. No matter how any of us think those motions to the Court by Plaintiffs and Defendants will be handled in one way or the other by the Judge. I think the motions filed by either side are out there in the public venue and are looked at as you see through this post. In my opinion I want to see how these matters were handled by the U.S. and Communities since the 1886 and 1889 censuses. I have questions but I see the Communities as having an interest in this case and should be involved because of issues that are being presented in Court.
This Court probably has only so much jurisdiction but I see all submissions through motions to this Court as opening our eyes into those historical areas I was not familiar with two years ago.
I view this board as an avenue to help us all see each others opinions and views and learn along the way in helping us all in understanding our ancestors all the more.
Thank you.
This is wanbligi on Jan. 17, 2007 at 8:11 p.m.
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Post by tamara on Jan 17, 2007 22:34:37 GMT -5
Board members: Thank you for your comments in this post, most interesting. No matter how any of us think those motions to the Court by Plaintiffs and Defendants will be handled in one way or the other by the Judge. I think the motions filed by either side are out there in the public venue and are looked at as you see through this post. In my opinion I want to see how these matters were handled by the U.S. and Communities since the 1886 and 1889 censuses. I have questions but I see the Communities as having an interest in this case and should be involved because of issues that are being presented in Court. This Court probably has only so much jurisdiction but I see all submissions through motions to this Court as opening our eyes into those historical areas I was not familiar with two years ago. I view this board as an avenue to help us all see each others opinions and views and learn along the way in helping us all in understanding our ancestors all the more. Thank you. This is wanbligi on Jan. 17, 2007 at 8:11 p.m. speaking of wanting to see how these matters where handles in the more recent past, have you seen the 1971 letter that circulated a while back? send me an email and I will send it to you. ttordsen@aol.com Tamara
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