Resource for Prairie Island Settlement Records

[fwaukazoo]

I think your right, jimmy.

Some of us must piece together information to get to facts.
I post the following the other day, in hopes that it gives other oyates an idea and hope,
in searching for information about their families.

The law makes no distinction between the weight given to either direct or circumstantial evidence. The U.S. Supreme Court has stated that "circumstantial evidence is intrinsically no different from testimonial [direct] evidence." Circumstantial evidence is usually a theory, supported by a significant quantity of corroborating evidence. Circumstantial evidence is generally admissible in court unless the connection between the fact and the inference is too weak to be of help in deciding the case. Circumstantial evidence is best explained by saying what it is not - it is not direct evidence from a witness who saw or heard something. Circumstantial evidence is a fact that can be used to infer another fact. Circumstantial evidence is unrelated facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion about something unknown. There is a public perception that such evidence is weak, but the probable conclusion from the circumstances may be so strong that there can be little doubt as to a vital fact.

Circumstantial evidence does hold water in court.

[BIG JON]

jimmy said:

I didn't mean to say don't use the trees. If you have it, use it, every little bit helps. However, if this is the only documentation you have, I wouldn't hold out any hopes of it holding any water in court. As far as I know, Father Dan never mentioned his sources for his information, and without sources, that makes the trees much less valuable, genealogically speaking. I may be wrong about this, but I just don't want people to get their hopes up. The best bet is keep trying to find primary source documents like birth/death records, probates, wills, military records, etc. These types of documents will almost always stand up in court, whereas secondary documents, like Father Dan's trees, are less likely to hold up.

I TOTALLY AGREE!
JON

[hermin1]

I agree also.

[preeves6]

Herman1, Yes, that does make sense, I never even thought of that. They very well could of been in Pipestone at that time. And please don't stand in the corner, we need your in put too much for you to stand in a corner. I'll be gone for a few days, My daughter Jenny, gave us 2 nights and three days at treasure island for our 50th anniversary, which will give me some time to check on a few things while my hubby gambles, whi knows he just might win this time.I can always hope.

And thank you again for all your help with the Monjeau, Hoffman info. i"ll check in when I get home on Sunday.

[hermin1]

Tell your hubby that I hae found the besttime to gamble is between 10 PM and 2 Am(when they reset the machines
I do not play with my wininings, as i have found it is bad luck.
I know it is a quirk of mine, but I don't go to a casino unless Ihave found some money, be it a nickle or dime,etc. whatever I find, I keep in my pocket when it go to the casno. It works @ 90% of the time. ha haha

[hermin1]

sh225: RE Nana Couci aka Nanna Couchi aka Ann Labathe (Lamache) b. Unknown , died 1863).
The formation was taken from the publication"Book of Prescott" and family records.
It was posted on the Wabasha Dynasty Website by Michael Gunter: Ancesteral Link to Wapasha I

Wapasha I (b. About 1718, d. 1806)
Married (Unknown)
They had several children, one being a daughter Nanna Couchi
Daughter nanna Couchi: aka Ann Labathe (Lamarche)
b. Unknown died 1863 MN.
Married first Francois Labathe
Married second: Joseph Monjeau
b. 1789 Sorel, Canada d. 1875 Granite Falls, Minnesota
They had nine children, one being Mary Mozio Monjeau
Mary Mozio Monjeau b. 1844 d. 1936 Ravenna Twp.
Minnesota
Married Joseph McCoy
They had at least a child, she being Louise McCoy
Daughter Louise McCoy (1867- 1954)
Married George Gunter (1865- 1902)
They had nine children, one being Arthur Gunter
Son Arthur Gunter ( 1886- 1962)
Married (Unknown)
They had one child, he being James Gunter
James gunter (1912- - 1996)
Thomas gunter ( 1949 -2002)
Michael gunter( Living)

Note: another source rega4rding Wpasha I indicates an unnamed daughter married first to amable Grignon, second Francois Labathe. itis possible that Nanna Couchi is that unnamed daughter.
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Also in re. to the Wapasahw Dynasty, the daughter(unknown) of Wapasha I ,that married Sunka Ska (white Dog)was Sarah Mockpedawin. She later married Andrew Goodthunder and they dopted Charlie Whipple and gave him the Goodthunder name. White Dog was hung on Dec. 26, 1862 at Mankato. he was a cousin to Anna Hunka Stay-Siyaka, according to her son Frank Jetty Stay ,Jr.(see Through Dakota Eyes for his story).

[sh225]

hermin1 said:

sh225: RE Nana Couci aka Nanna Couchi aka Ann Labathe (Lamache) b. Unknown , died 1863).
The formation was taken from the publication"Book of Prescott" and family records.
It was posted on the Wabasha Dynasty Website by Michael Gunter: Ancesteral Link to Wapasha I

Wapasha I (b. About 1718, d. 1806)
Married (Unknown)
They had several children, one being a daughter Nanna Couchi
Daughter nanna Couchi: aka Ann Labathe (Lamarche)
b. Unknown died 1863 MN.
Married first Francois Labathe
Married second: Joseph Monjeau
b. 1789 Sorel, Canada d. 1875 Granite Falls, Minnesota
They had nine children, one being Mary Mozio Monjeau
Mary Mozio Monjeau b. 1844 d. 1936 Ravenna Twp.
Minnesota
Married Joseph McCoy
They had at least a child, she being Louise McCoy
Daughter Louise McCoy (1867- 1954)
Married George Gunter (1865- 1902)
They had nine children, one being Arthur Gunter
Son Arthur Gunter ( 1886- 1962)
Married (Unknown)
They had one child, he being James Gunter
James gunter (1912- - 1996)
Thomas gunter ( 1949 -2002)
Michael gunter( Living)

Note: another source rega4rding Wpasha I indicates an unnamed daughter married first to amable Grignon, second Francois Labathe. itis possible that Nanna Couchi is that unnamed daughter.
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Also in re. to the Wapasahw Dynasty, the daughter(unknown) of Wapasha I ,that married Sunka Ska (white Dog)was Sarah Mockpedawin. She later married Andrew Goodthunder and they dopted Charlie Whipple and gave him the Goodthunder name. White Dog was hung on Dec. 26, 1862 at Mankato. he was a cousin to Anna Hunka Stay-Siyaka, according to her son Frank Jetty Stay ,Jr.(see Through Dakota Eyes for his story).

Thanks. I have seen the genealogies on the Wabasha Dynasty website. This one is a little inaccurate in that Moizo or Mozio is just an alternate spelling for Monjeau, not a separate name. Also, I don't think Joseph Monjeau could have been born in 1789. My cousin says her grandmother had a clipping that says that, but I think it's a typo for 1798. In all the US censuses, it suggests he was born about 1800. Anyway, the problem about Nanna Coussi is, well, two problems: first some of us think she couldn't be the daughter of Wabasha I because of her age. She was born I think around 1810 or so. Her last child was born in 1850 I believe. Seems like she would have to be the daughter of Wabasha II, not Wabasha I. Also, we don't think she was ever married to Amable Grignon, that was someone else. Finally, on the same Wabasha website, there is another genealogy in which Nanna Coussi isn't even listed as a descendent of Wabasha at all. Instead she is listed as someone who married into the Wabasha line. I have emailed Dale Ebersol but he has no evidence for deciding which one is right. There does seem to be a lot of anecdotal evidence that she was descended from Wabasha and also she and her husband Joseph Monjeau lived in Wabasha's village, which is where my g-g-grandmother (their eldest daughter) was born and grew up. So, if nothing else, she was part of Wabasha's band, but a lot of her descendants do believe that she is the daughter of one of the Wabashas.

It's awfully hard since there is such a lack of written records. I keep trying to find out exactly what evidence people have for setting forth their family trees with Nana in them, but I can never seem to get to the bottom of it.

No one's ever been able to explain to me where the name 'LaMarche' comes from either. I know she is called Anne (must be her baptismal name), and Anne LaBathe because of her first marriage, but why Anne LaMarche?

Anyway, thank you for all your help, I just don't know how to thank you for everything you're doing. This website is like a dream come true.

[hermin1]

re. nana Cousi or Couchi ,it would help if you told us where she was born. You know when she was born.
I did find some Lamarches at www.familysearch.org the name originated in France.and there are 262+ ann LaMarches listed at that website.

[sh225]

hermin1 said:

re. nana Cousi or Couchi ,it would help if you told us where she was born. You know when she was born.
I did find some Lamarches at www.familysearch.org the name originated in France.and there are 262+ ann LaMarches listed at that website.

Census records indicate she was born in Minnesota (whatever that might mean exactly in the early 19th century) and we have a copy of her husband Joseph Monjeau's statement that she was full-blooded Mdewakanton. There is a record somewhere, I think maybe from their marriage, giving her name as Tranamimirsavaii but someone on this board said they didn't think that looked like a Dakota name. But of course it might have been really badly misspelled by whoever wrote it down. I have not seen the original document so it's even possible that whoever posted 'Tranamimirsavaii' on the internet, didn't read the handwriting correctly, for all I know.

[preeves6]

Hey Herman1, And no I didn't Find or get any info that I didn't already have. And my hubby had the nerve to say why didn't I tell him not to gamble until after ten, as if he would have waited until then. I didn't even read your message until we got back. I printed your message and put it in his secret stash that he thinks I don't know about, I'll let you know if he listens to your sound advice. Well i'm going to check and see if I can find anything new on Wapashaw, Monjeau or Hoffman. And thanks again for all the time and hard work everyone puts into this sight.

[wazi]

So is Iciyapiwin, Mary Trudell's mother is a Well's? Is this the same one who is the sister to Maggie Tuttle-Trudell? And the daughter of Tatibobdu?

wazi

hermin1 said:

hermin1 said:

Please don't misunderstand what I am about to write. I am curious as to what documentation you have that proves that the elusive Annie Wells was the mother of Charles, Mary, and Samuel Wells.
i believe Father Madlon made a tree of the Trudells, which Jimmie has generously posted for those who want to try and wad through it. I gave up in frustration .
If she was Samuel's mother, why was she lliving with David Wells and his family in the 1886 and 89 Mdewakanton Censuses? is David Wells related to Samuel Wells(The Minnesota Samuel).

Remember, there are at least two prsons named Samuel Wells_ the one in Minnesota, and the one in Santee. Samuel Wells's mother was the mother of Richard Allen,nephew of Iron
Elk.( ref. a 1900 or 1910 census for Minnesta, showing richard Allen's mother living in Sam Wells household and she is list ed as his mother.
Recently a death certificate(authenticity is highly questionable) was circulating around here in Sioux City for Annie Webster, d/o Philip Webster, and Tia kisskatawin, claiiming that Annie's mother was Annie Wells. Tiakiskatawin's mother was Ashdohewin.
( ref. heirship Report on John Kangimdoka)

Please if you have documentation to prove what you say you know, please post it or the reference freom hich you got your information soothers who have been searching for information on anie wells can get the documentatipon trhey need.

i madean error: I was requestiong documentation to prove that Annie Wells was the mother of Charles and may Iciyapewin Wamnbdisun, and Samuel Wells.

[wazi]

Yeah I think I sent you some things I have also in my records I have record stating that Maggie and Mary were sisters. I haven't had time to find my records, but when I do I will post.

wazi

jimmy said:

wazi said:

So is Iciyapiwin, Mary Trudell's mother is a Well's? Is this the same one who is the sister to Maggie Tuttle-Trudell? And the daughter of Tatibobdu?

wazi

Though this relationship has been put forward, I have yet to see any evidence. Anna Wells was born in 1815, and Mary Iciyapewin Trudell was born in 1816. Of course these birthdates are not written in stone, but from what I have seen, Anna's birthdate is pretty well documented, and I know for certain that Mary's birthdate is accurate.

Mary Iciyapewin married Francis Trudell in 1835, and their first son, Frank, was born about 1838. Maggie Tuttle was the wife of this Frank.

[mfryhling]

Mar 23, 2007 11:32:11 GMT -5 @christy said:

Hi my name is Christy and I have recently been in touch with a women who owns the land owned by winyanwaste(good women)and according to her fathers family tree he left her in 1980 lucy Mahpiyawakenze is related too winyanwaste. If anyone else has info to add to this please let me know and well swap info. my e-mail is [e-mail].

[mfryhling]

i see that cristy has post a note stating that she is looking for info on a winyan waste good mowam.is it posable to find out if this is the same woman that i am looking for??
i am looking for a woman name winyan waste good woman and another name may be mary or maria catch the enemy. i am wounding if this the same woman that i have been looking for>
marilyn

[mfryhling]

i see that cristy has post a note stating that she is looking for info on a winyan waste good woman.is it posable to find out if this is the same woman that i am looking for??
i am looking for a woman name winyan waste good woman and another name may be mary or maria catch the enemy. i am wounding if this the same woman that i have been looking for>
marilyn

[dioni1]

I got it. I did make a trip to Dr. Buttes office last week and did find lots of records, baptisms, marriages and birth records for most everyone in my search.
I am looking for the connection between Julia Smith, her mother Emma Smith and my Grandmother, Nancy St. Clair. Please don't misunderstand what I am about to write. I am curious as to what documentation you have that proves that the elusive Annie Wells was the mother of Charles, Mary, and Samuel Wells.
i believe Father Madlon made a tree of the Trudells, which Jimmie has generously posted for those who want to try and wad through it. I gave up in frustration .
If she was Samuel's mother, why was she lliving with  David Wells and his family in the 1886 and 89 Mdewakanton Censuses? is David Wells related to Samuel Wells(The Minnesota Samuel).

[dioni1]

As to the staff writer David Welch, he erred in the name of Indian John's wife's name. if Indian John had been given the Christian nmae of John Hoffman,You would think this would have been engraved on his grave monument. Before his death, by the efforts ofsupporters in the community, Indian John was awarded a veteran's pnesion, which was them transferred to his widowLucy(Tteihiyayewin(MHS Bio File: acts dated 8-9-1888 and 3-2-1889).
Indian John ,after his service as a scout, was one of the Faribault group that lived on Alexander Faribault's land(diedrich,1996).