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Post by madrock on Dec 17, 2011 7:08:23 GMT -5
I've put all my documented and undocumented notes together and will update and correct when more or better information is found. [Last edited 17 Dec 2011] Dennis Robinson (1785-1862). He married a Mdewakanton Dakota woman. Affidavits of Joseph Rock, #20-21, Sioux reserves, 1855 states Madeleine Robinson is the mixed-blood daughter of Dennis Robinson and a Mdewakanton woman. Madeleine's obit states "She was born in what is now St. Paul, Minn., in 1810, her father being a Frenchman and her mother a Sioux of Little Crow's band of Indians. The 1875 Minnesota census enumerated his son Thomas Robinson; age 50, white male, fathers nativity France. Children of Dennis Robinson: 1. Madeliene (abt 1810 - 1904). Affidavits of Joseph Rock, #20-21, Sioux reserves, 1855 states she is the mixed-blood daughter of Dennis Robinson and a Mdewakanton woman. She married Joseph Rocque (abt 1811 - 1875) on 15 Jun 1837. Crawford County Wisconsin Marriages, 55 Madeliene's birth year is estimated to be 1810 calcalulated from her age given on the 1850 federal census. Her death date, Apr 15, 1904 is from a newspaper obit. Joseph's birth year is estimated to be about 1811 calcalulated from his age given on the 1850 federal census. His death date, 20 Feb 1875 from Buffalo County Courthouse records. 2. Thomas A. Robinson (abt 1826 - 1887). "Through Dakota Eyes" states he was born "in about 1826." The 1857 Minnesota has his age as 29, calculate born 1828. The 1860 federal census has his age as 35, calculate as born 1825. He married Mary Jane Wakute or Wigiwin (?? unknown ??) on [unknown]. "Through Dakota Eyes" states he "was married to a daughter of Wakute." but no first name of Mary Jan was stated. Indian name of Wigiwin has not been documented. He also married Mary Moran (?? unknown ??) on [unknown]. Moran is also spelled as Morand and Morin. I found a Mary Susanne Morin, b. 4 Jul 1853, d. 24 Jan 1923 on Ancestry.com but no spouse was listed in that family tree. I have eMailed the author of that family tree to explore her being married to Thomas Robinson. 3. Ann Robinson (abt 1840 - unknown??). She married John Moores (abt 1826-1899) on [unknown] Ann's birth year determined from her age listed as 30 on the 1870 federal census. Her death year is [unknown]. John's birth year determined from his age listed as 46 on the 1870 Federal census would be 1824. But "Through Dakota Eyes", p216 states he was born in 1826. His death date in "Through Dakota Eyes", p216 is listed as Jan 1, 1899 4. Others ? Some old posts regarding the Dennis Robinson family: Jackie, . . . . Madeline Robinson Rocque's first name was variously recorded church, civil and census records as Madeline, Madeleine, Madaline, & Magdalena. She was the daughter of a mixed-blood trapper by the name of Dennis Robinson and a woman of Little Crow's band. This is a response to a post about Tom Robinson or Big Tom. As he often gets mixed up with my ancestor Thomas A Robertson, I had tried to find out more information on him. The most I could find on him was in the notes of Through Dakota Eyes. It says that he married a sister of John Moore (son of Hazen Moores) and died in Hope county. I think it states that his father was named Dennis Robinson and an unnamed indian woman. He and John Moores seemed to be lifelong friends. Tamara i seem to remember seeing the name Big Tom somewhere--- would that be the same as Tom Tanka, who was Thomas Robinson--- because i had the same question as to who his parents were? HIs wife was Mary Jane Wakute, or Wigiwin....... thank you kit |
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Post by mink on Dec 17, 2011 11:50:52 GMT -5
There was a man named Amable Morin who lived at St. Peter's who married a native girl named Marie www3.telus.net/public/dgarneau/metis37a.htmThis is a very good site, BTW. There may be some possibility that, eventually, this Marie married someone else, but one would have to find out when Amable Morin died--which I do not know. Either that, or perhaps this couple had a daughter, also named Marie. Just a couple of ideas but nothing much to hang your hat on. |
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Post by mink on Dec 18, 2011 18:49:48 GMT -5
There was a daughter. An 1850 Minnesota census has
35 264 264 Morin Aimable 40 M . Laborer
36 264 264 Morin Maria 22 F . . . Min Terry
37 264 264 Morin Marie 2 F . . . Min Terry
Maybe it's possible to find out more.
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Post by madrock on Dec 19, 2011 8:52:22 GMT -5
There was a man named Amable Morin who lived at St. Peter's who married a native girl named Marie www3.telus.net/public/dgarneau/metis37a.htmThis is a very good site, BTW. There may be some possibility that, eventually, this Marie married someone else, but one would have to find out when Amable Morin died--which I do not know. Either that, or perhaps this couple had a daughter, also named Marie. Just a couple of ideas but nothing much to hang your hat on. There was a daughter. An 1850 Minnesota census has 35 264 264 Morin Aimable 40 M . Laborer 36 264 264 Morin Maria 22 F . . . Min Terry 37 264 264 Morin Marie 2 F . . . Min Terry Maybe it's possible to find out more. I'm wondering if there were two Amable Morin's about the same age during that era! The link in your Dec 17th post: RED RIVER EXODUS 1815 - 1850 TO ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA This is a listing of Canadians at St. Paul, Minnesota and vicinity in the 1850 census for St. Paul, which was called Iminijaska (White Rock), Fort Snelling, The Reserve, Little Canada, Mendota, Fountain Cove, and Pig's Eye. The first inhabitants of this region, however, were the Dakota, Voyagers and Metis. Listed there was: Amable Morin born 1810 married 1849 Marie Indian This was found in the Johanson - Torp family tree on Ancestry.com: Amable Morin: b. 1804 in Montreal, Canada (1) m. 4 Jun 1849 to Marie Louisa Angeline Skaya d. 8 May 1892 in St. Paul, Ramsey Co., MN Marie Louisa Angeline Skaya: b. 1826 in Pigs Eye, Minnesota Territory (2) m. 4 Jun 1849 to Amable Morin d. 15 Aug 1903 in St. Paul, Ramsey Co., MN Fourteen Children of Amable & Marie: infant Morin 1846 – 1846 Marie-Therese Moran 1848 – 1898 Marie Rose Moran 1851 – 1920 Marie-Louise Moran 1853 – 1919 Amable Moran 1855 – 1925 Susanne aka Susan Moran 1857 – Angelique Moran 1859 – Joseph Moran 1862 – 1918 Mary Moran 1863 – 1925 Margaret [Maggie] Moran 1865 – 1944 Louis Moran 1866 – 1944 Sophia Moran 1868 – 1930 Catherine Christina Scholastica Moran 1871 – 1963 Florence Julia Moran 1873 – 1905 - - - - - - - - - - (1) date base on 1836 immigration record where a 32 year old Amable Morin entered the U.S. from Canada at Michigan. (2) date based on 1850 Fed census where a 20 year old female Angelique Skaya (b. Capozia) is enumerated in the household of Alexis Bailly (family #14). I've eMailed the author of the Johanson - Torp family tree to get his opinion. We've exchanged several eMails the past two years in regards to the Wolfchild lawsuit. I'm not sure if he's aware of the 1850 Minnesota Territory, Ramsey, Pigs Eye and Red Rock census. He only uses the 1850 M.T. census for Wabasha County for birth calculation. Although the 1850 Ramsey data matches him, his wife and the second child (the first one an apparent infant death). I do not think that Angeline Skayla in the Bailly Wabasha household in 1850 and the Marie Morin in the Ramsey census are the same person. |
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 19, 2011 13:19:29 GMT -5
Thomas robinson in his affidavit for the lakePepin land scrips swore that his "mother was fullblood Sioux of Mdewakanton band, and father was Dennis robinson, a white man". he also stwore that his" wife is a full blood Sioux, the daughter of the Chief Wacouta....."
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Post by mink on Dec 19, 2011 13:53:24 GMT -5
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Post by mink on Dec 19, 2011 14:06:08 GMT -5
Thomas robinson in his affidavit for the lakePepin land scrips swore that his "mother was fullblood Sioux of Mdewakanton band, and father was Dennis robinson, a white man". he also stwore that his" wife is a full blood soioux, the daughter of the Chief Wacouta....." That would have been Mary Jane Wakute, mentioned by MR, above, but who is Mary Morin/Moran? That's the question. |
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Post by mink on Dec 19, 2011 14:32:25 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 19, 2011 16:32:15 GMT -5
thanks much Mink for the photo.
The Thomas Robinson Descendents who live here in Sioux City, have a really neat compilation of historical documentation on Thomas Charles Robinson, and Mary Jane Wakute.I am not sure if they also included his second wife MaryMoran/Morand/Morin, or not.
find poncalady in the members list and contact her for information.
Mr. Brill's Redwing Family tree does indeed include Mary Jane Wakute/Wagiwin or Wigiwin on it.
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Post by madrock on Dec 19, 2011 17:32:09 GMT -5
That's a great piece of online information. I never seen the headstone before. The picture of Thomas A. Robertson is cropped from the group photo of the 1858 Mdewakanton and Wahpekute delegation to Washington, DC. His father Andrew Robertson is also in the group photo with his hands placed on the shoulders of Wapasha III. The group photo can be found in "Over the Earth I Come - The Great Sioux Uprising of 1862" and "Little Crow - Spokesman For The Sioux" |
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Post by madrock on Dec 19, 2011 17:46:59 GMT -5
Somewhere in a much earlier post there was a mention of Thomas Robinson being known as Tom Tonka or Big Tom.
I cannot find the document right now but it referred to Tom Robinson and Thomas A. Robertson as Big Tom and Little Tom. I'll find it yet.
Also found:
30 Jun 1886 Census Flandrean Tribe - Indian Schedules
No., Indian Names, English Names, Relationships, Sex, Ages
223, Tom Tanka, Tom Robinson, Father, M, 55
224, Maistin, Mary Robinson, Wife, F, 39
225, [none], Charles Robinson, Son, M, 16
226, [none], Madlan Robinson, Daughter, F, 13
227, [none], Eliz. Robinson, ", ", 10
228, [none], Martha Robinson, ", ", 8
229, [none], No 1st Name Robinson, ", ", 3
230, [none], Peter Robinson, Son, M, 2/3
Additional info added 12/20/2011: The Indian Name "Maistin" above was transcribed from a handwritten document. It is actually spelled "Mastin" with a dot or dash above the letter "s". In my Riggs A Dakota-English Dictionary it doesn't include Mastin but does have Mastin-ca, Mastin-ca-la and Mastin-pu-te all with varying translations.
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Post by madrock on Dec 19, 2011 17:48:28 GMT -5
Thomas robinson in his affidavit for the lakePepin land scrips swore that his "mother was fullblood Sioux of Mdewakanton band, and father was Dennis robinson, a white man". he also stwore that his" wife is a full blood soioux, the daughter of the Chief Wacouta....." I need to find those Lake Pepin affidavits. I only have Augustin and Joseph Rocques. Is there an online source? |
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Post by mink on Dec 19, 2011 19:38:21 GMT -5
MR, if Tom Robinson's wife gave her age as 39 in June of 1886, she would have been born in 1847 and that is very close to what there is for Amable Morin's daughter, Marie, who was 2 in 1850 but who might have been going on 3. The indication that Tom Tanka was 55 in 1886 but his wife only 39 could mean a second marriage.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 20, 2011 15:57:55 GMT -5
madrock you need to contact mr. Hansen(or
Hanson) of the wisconsin Historical Society Archives in Madison, WI(type it into google).find hias contact information in the Staff lsiting.
He did the transcriptions from the microfilms at NARA.
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Thomas Robinson's affidavit is #34. At the time the affidavit( @18555-1857) was made out, he stated that he was about 32 years old.THE CHILDREN WERE MENTIONED AS MARIE , CELESTE jANE, AND ELIZA.
My copy ofr the affidavit like most of them ,was so darkened by age I had a mell of a hesss trying to clean it up so i could see the writing.
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Post by madrock on Dec 21, 2011 4:54:36 GMT -5
ymadrock you need to contact mr. Hansen(or Hanson) of the wisconsin Historical Society Archives in Madison, WI(type it into google).find hias contact information in the Staff lsiting. he did the transcriptions from the microfilms at NARA. From what I can remember of James L. Hansen's transcriptions was that he only created "A Roll of Sioux Mixed Bloods, 1855-56." I'm looking for copies of the handwritten affidavits themselves because they contain a lot more family information. Also some of the affidavits attests to knowing another mixed-blood and there are references to full-blood relatives as well. For example, this is what I typed (for easier reading) from the handwritten affidavit of Joseph Rocque (1811-1875): Transcription from: Testimony taken at Wabashaw, Wabashaw County, Minnesota Territory, August 20th to 25th inclusive, 1855 in behalf of certain “Mixed Bloods” as follows: No. 21. I, Joseph Rock of Wabashaw, Minnesota Territory do solemnly swear that I am the son of August Rock who is a Half Breed of the Medawahkanton Band of the Sioux. My mother is half Sac and half Sioux of said band. I am therefore a Half Breed. I am about forty to forty five years of age and reside at birthplace. I also solemnly swear that my wife Madaline, daughter of Dennis Robinson, is a Half Breed of said band, her mother being a squaw. She is about 30 years of age and resides with me here. We have five children, Jean Baptiste age about 13 years, Matilda age about 11 years, Josephine age about 8 years and Leander about one & a half years. My wife and myself being both Half Breeds, I consider them also Half Breeds deriving a quarter from each parent. his Joseph X Rock mark Witnessed Wm. Ashley Jones - - - - - - I have so much stuff accumulated from the last 30-40 years, I can't remember where or how I obtained a lot of it. Where I got these xeroxed copies of handwritten affidavits is still a mystery and at age 75, my memory is not going to improve.  |
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Post by madrock on Dec 21, 2011 5:15:55 GMT -5
MR, if Tom Robinson's wife gave her age as 39 in June of 1886, she would have been born in 1847 and that is very close to what there is for Amable Morin's daughter, Marie, who was 2 in 1850 but who might have been going on 3. The indication that Tom Tanka was 55 in 1886 but his wife only 39 could mean a second marriage. I've been reading the 2 volumes of "A Canoe Voyage up the Minnay Sotor" by Featherstonhaugh again and came across a passage where he met a daughter of Thomas Robinson. Thomas Robinson was quite a scoundrel, well actually worse than that: A CANOE VOYAGE UP THE MINNAY SOTOR. Two Volumes. George William Featherstonhaugh (1780-1866), F.R.S., F.G.S., geologist and traveller In 1835, Featherstonhaugh traveled from Green Bay, Wisconsin up the Fox river to the Wisconsin River, then downstream to Prairie du Chien, and into the Mississippi River. He paddled up the Mississippi, passing the St. Croix River and then up the Minnesota (St. Peters) River to it's source. SEPTEMBER 24, 1835 - ASCENDING THE MINNAY SOTOR (ST. PETER'S RIVER, LATER MINNESOTA RIVER) page 311: [J]ust before 5pm . . . . we suddenly came up with several canoes on the left bank . . . several people including "a very beautiful young half-breed girl, about seventeen years old, with fine flaxen hair." . . . . "We stopped for a short time, and missing the flaxen-haired beauty" . . . . I told Milor [Sibley's recommended guide] to ask where she was, when they pointed her out to me hiding herself behind one of the trees. Perceiving we were white men, and knowing she was the daughter of a white man, a (cont'd next page) page 312: modest feeling, which the others seemed to be strangers to, had taken possession of her, and she was evidently reluctant to show herself. Upon inquiring into her history, I learnt that she was the daughter of an American trader named Robinson, who had lived some time among the Nacotahs, by an Indian woman, who had lived with him as his wife. Having collected his debts in the Indian country, he left his family under pretence of business at Prairie du Chien, and had never returned to them." page 313: "They [the Indian women who asked also for pork & biscuit] answered that white men came amongst them and took wives, who thought of nothing but taking care of their children and their goods when they were travelling about the country; and that when they had collected all their skins they took everything away, and never came back again. That this was what Robinson had done : he had told his wife he was going a journey, that she must take care of the little boy and the little girl they had, and he would soon be back and bring them all new clothes; that (cont'd next page) page 314: he never came came the first winter . . . . he never came back for fifteen winters . . . . that Pahkah Skah [there is a dash above the first and third letter "a"], or 'White Hair,' was now seventeen years old, and her brother was a very good hunter. I desired Milor to tell them that perhaps Robinson was dead; but they said that Milor knew better, for he had seen him two years ago at Prairie du Chien." [When Featherstonhaugh continued to press that "good men loved their wives and children" Milor and the voyeaguers laughed and teased him saying if he stayed in the country he "should have Pahkah Skah!"] [They shoved off soon making bivouac up river on the right bank. There is no further mention of the trader Thomas Robinson in this two volume essay] SEPTEMBER 25, 1835 - CONTINUING UP THE MINNAY SOTOR page 318: "At half-past 11 A.M. we came to the trading post of a Mr. Moore, on the right bank of the river" page 319: "His wife, a middle-aged bustling Indian woman . . . . Their children were very Indian in their faces . . . . the half-breeds appearing always to show more of the Indian than the white man." "Mr. Moore was a thin, good-looking man, about forty-five years old . . . ." "We now had took leave of Mr. Moore, who, I learnt from Milor, had been a great many years in the Indian country, and had taken to wife the half-breed daughter of a Mr. Hart, another white trader. Moore had formerly been connected with an American fur company . . . ." OCTOBER 8, 1835 - HEADING BACK DOWN THE MINNAY SOTOR Oct 12: [Reached Mr. Moore's trading post.] "Pahkahskah, the half-breed white-haired girl, whom I saw on the 24th September, was here; she was on a dirty sort of bunk, laid upon some skins, with Mr. Moore's Indian children, but I at once recognized her by her hair. She was certainly a very pretty maiden, but, under an old filthy buffalo hide, did not look as sentimental and romantic as when I first saw her flaxen locks modestly hinding behind a tree." [Featherstonhaugh was "quite taken by her" as they used to say and asks her if she would like to go with him and live with the Esontantahs (Long Knives) where her father was and she replied that he had given her pork as well as bisquits when I saw her coming up [not answering his question]. He later states that she was probably better off which her Indian family than she would be with her father. No further mention of her in volume I or II] |
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Post by madrock on Dec 21, 2011 5:31:43 GMT -5
Still digging into old notes and books for documentation that Dennis Robinson was killed August 18, 1862 at the Lower Agency or later at the Ferry Crossing. I think we can rule out being killed at the Ferry Crossing. Only soldiers under Capt Marsh and interpreter Qunn were involved.
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Post by madrock on Dec 21, 2011 5:45:17 GMT -5
MR, if Tom Robinson's wife gave her age as 39 in June of 1886, she would have been born in 1847 and that is very close to what there is for Amable Morin's daughter, Marie, who was 2 in 1850 but who might have been going on 3. The indication that Tom Tanka was 55 in 1886 but his wife only 39 could mean a second marriage. On Ancestry.com, I found the Johanson-Torp family tree has a Marie-Theres Moran (b. 17 Nov 1848, d. 9 Mar 1898) that matches the Marie, age 2, dau of Amable & Marie Morin on the 1850 MN census. But the Johanson-Torp family tree further shows Marie-Theres being married only once to a Prisque Felix (1834-1906). Marie-Theres & Prisque children: Delemo b. 1866 Tenas b. 1867 Mary b. 1874 George b. 1875 John b. 1877 Eugene b. 1878 Odd names for the first two and commonly used names for the last four! And a seven year gap between the first two and the last four. I did hear from the author of the Johanson-Torp family tree he stated the family information is from family lore. No birth, baptismal, marriage, or death documentation. |
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Post by madrock on Dec 21, 2011 11:22:42 GMT -5
MR, if Tom Robinson's wife gave her age as 39 in June of 1886, she would have been born in 1847 and that is very close to what there is for Amable Morin's daughter, Marie, who was 2 in 1850 but who might have been going on 3. The indication that Tom Tanka was 55 in 1886 but his wife only 39 could mean a second marriage. I've been reading the 2 volumes of "A Canoe Voyage up the Minnay Sotor" by Featherstonhaugh again and came across a passage where he met a daughter of Thomas Robinson. Thomas Robinson was quite a scoundrel, well actually worse than that: //// SNIP //// I incorrectly inserted the first name Thomas. Featherstonhaugh only mentioned the trader Robinson by surname. Being that Featherstonhaugh made the trip in 1835, the Robinson who fathered the flaxen-haired 17 year old must have been Dennis Robinson or another Robinson not related to Thomas, Madeliene or Ann. |
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 21, 2011 11:27:30 GMT -5
re. the excerpts you posted, I ran across mention of an englishTrader named Robinson(no first name mentioned) back about the time mentioned in the book, in the Minnesota,regions. In fact, i believe he too had a son named Thomas Robinson.I believe he is mentioned in one of the Metis History websites i haunt for information.
in my collection of records I have 3 Thomas robinsons, the one you have been seeking info on, a Thomas Robinson who was a full blood and died in 1885,and the Thomas Robinson who married Cetan Wicakte's daughter Mary victoria Frazier. he died @ 1907 . His wife died after 1910 in South Dakota.One of their daughters married a Rockwood(mixed blood).
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