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Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on May 22, 2009 18:16:49 GMT -5
Upon looking through the Unorganized Dakota Territory Census for Yancton Agency, 1860, I came upon Mad or is it Fool Bull and what maybe the Mad/Fool Bull line of Chiefs. Does anyone know anything about this line of Chiefs? I just looked up Witko=Foolish or Drunken. So perhaps, this is another family line.
Name: Jatanka Witco Malbull (should be TaTanka Witko-Mad/Fool Bull)
Age in 1860: 45
Birth Year: abt 1815
Birthplace: Dakota
Occupation: Farmer
Home in 1860: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Post Office: Sioux City
Value of real estate: $800 Value of Personal Estate: $1500
Household Members:
Name Age
Jatanka Witco Malbull 45 TaTanka Witko
Okes Witco Malbull 38 Okeo Witko
Manadutarwe Malbull 18 Mandutaswe or Manadutawin
Jashena Witce 16 Jashina Witko
Cheta Witce 13 Chita Witko
Osher Witce 10 Oshia Witko
THIS WAS THE NEXT FAMILY ON THE 1860 US CENSUS
Name: Mato Senetea--Chief Translation maybe Sinite' or Sinte' IS THIS MAD BULL'S FATHER?
Age in 1860: 60
Birth Year: abt 1800
Birthplace: Dakota
Occupation: CHIEF AND FARMER
Home in 1860: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Post Office: Sioux City
Value of real estate: $600 Value of Personal Estate: $400
Household Members:
Name Age
Mato Senetea 60
Wenorna Senetea 40 Winona
Okeo Senetea 30
Jata Senetea 20
Chaska Lonsone Senetea 20 "Lone One" is what is looks like
Victoria Senetea 6
THIS WAS THE NEXT FAMILY LISTED ON THE 1860 US CENSUS---COULD THIS BE MAD BULL'S G-FATHER?
Name: La la Mca PA Pe ( Could be TA SA NOA PA PI or TA TANCA PA PE(I) --BUT NO TELLING) HEAD CHIEF & FARMER
Age in 1860: 90
Birth Year: abt 1770
Birthplace: Dakota
Home in 1860: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory
Occupation: HEAD CHIEF & FARMER
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Post Office: Sioux City
Value of real estate: $800 Value of Personal Estate: $500
Household Members:
Name Age
La la Mca PA Pe 90
Weseco 34
Mato Dusa 28 Mato Duta
Shanka Wakon 25 Shunka Wakan
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory; Roll: M653_94; Page: 118; Image: 121.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1860 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004. Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States, 1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1,438 rolls.
HELP!!! ANYBODY???
Lavanah
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Post by hermin1 on May 27, 2009 17:15:31 GMT -5
I have a Wambdisapa who was the brother of Tasagye. This Wambisapa was the father of Inkpaduta.He and his brother had a big Tiffand they separated taking with them,their followers. then Wambdisapa either killed his brother or some of his followers murdered Tasagye.(Ref. south Dakota Historical collections. Vol !!. History ofthe Dakotaorsioux Indians.Doane Robinson.1904.pierre,SD.
are we talking about the same Wambdisapa or are there 2 ofthem?
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Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on May 29, 2009 12:45:44 GMT -5
Hermin, the incident you refer to happened in 1825 with Santee Sioux. I am currently working on the 7 Bands of the Yankton Sioux. The ones in question at the moment are Mad Bull's (I and II) Band, Bad Nation, Igmu (Cat) Band--Smutty Bear and Cagu (Lungs) Struck By The Ree Band. See below for the the 7 Yankton Bands.
My understanding is that up until the 1880's there were 7 Yankton Bands, some of the bands had leaders chosen for them by the gov't.:
1. Iha Ishdaye - Mouth Greasers
2. Wagmuha Oin - Pumpkin Rind Earrings - Chief Medicine Cow
3. Igmu - Cat (people) - Chief Smutty Bear succeeded by Chief Jumping Thunder
4. Waceunpa - Roasters or The Ones That Cook
5. Cankute - Shooters At Trees
6. Oyate Sica - Bad Nation - Chief Mad Bull succeeded by John Ree and then Frank Jandreau
7. Cagu - Lungs - Chief Struck By The Ree was succeeded by
Chief Running Bull in 1888.
I have since answered some of my own questions posted on this page regarding John Ree and Mad Bull :
John Black Eagle Ree, was the band chief of the Oyate Sica (Bad Nation) Band after Mad Bull II died in 1875. John Ree was then followed by Frank Jandron (or Jandreau).
John (Wambdisapa) Ree abt. 1820 married Julia (surname/Indian name unknown) abt 1822. Together they had Sarah M. Ree b. 1877.
Sarah married Joseph Bruguier, son of Theophile Bruguier and Dawn Anpao. Thus making the War Eagle Yankton/Sisseton Band related Mad Bull's Band, Bad Nation or Oyate Sica.
I stated previously that I had just read a book called The Yankton Sioux by Herbert T. Hoover, where he states that John Black Eagle Ree was nephew to Struck By The Ree and that he served as a Scout for Gen. Sully during the Indian War of 1862 and then became a band chief.
Hermin, you responded that "Mad Bull and Thomas Rising Cloud were sons of Struck By The Ree." This would make make Wambdisapa aka John Ree not a nephew but grandson to SBTR.
Now since we all are researchers trying to get at the root of our roots, so to speak, would you be so kind as to try to find the references for Mad Bull and Thomas Rising Cloud, if possible?
Here is some additional information that I have located on the relationships of these 3 Bands. ref. Peyote and the Yankton Sioux; The Life and Times of Sam Necklace by Thomas Constantine Maroukis, Univeristy of Oklahoma Press, 2004, pg. 56, 57.
"Peter Iron Necklace, son of Iron Necklace (Iron Necklace was born into the Igmu (Cat) Band under Chief Smutty Bear.), was born in 1851. His Dakota name, Hepazasni... He married Margarette Ree, the daughter of John Ree, band chief of the Oyate Sica (Bad Nation) band after Mad Bull II died in 1875. According to census records, Peter and Margarette had eight children: five boys and three girls spaced over a twenty-year period. Most died at an early age.... Only Sam (Necklace) lived into the mature years. Two of his sibling died in infancy; his brothers Eli, Daniel, and James died at age twenty, eighteen, and ten....His sister Nancy died at age six, and Julie Ree lived until age thirty-five. There is a ninth child, Amos Henry Necklace, born in 1886, the son of Peter and another woman who is listed as deceased."
Sam Necklace (1881 - 1949) married Mary Chinn (1885 - 1963).
"David Mad Bull II, was baptized in 1870 in the Episcopalian church in the Chouteau Creek region followed by members of his band the Necklaces and Chinns." pages 70 and 71.
Trying to find the correct relationships in these families has not been easy, most especially Struck By The Ree's family since I have not been able to find many writings or documents as to his lineage.
In closing Hermin, I would really appreciate if at all possible, if you could find the references to SBTR's sons, Mad Bull, Thomas Rising Cloud and my G-G-grandmother, Ellen Wipaha-Hill Woman Smith, as his niece.
I will do my best to continue trying to find the answers to some of these relations and see what I can come up with.
Thanks so much for your continued help and support.
Lavanah
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Post by rickgerlach on May 29, 2009 16:34:33 GMT -5
Which MadBull is supposed to be Struck By the Ree's child? I am still looking for info on the MadBulls because Mary Prettyfeather is supposed to be his daughter. I may not have given the National Archives the right info but they couldn't find either MadBull 1 or 2.
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Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Jun 3, 2009 0:20:48 GMT -5
Upon looking through the Unorganized Dakota Territory Census for Yancton Agency, 1860, I came upon Mad or is it Fool Bull and what maybe the Mad/Fool Bull line of Chiefs. Does anyone know anything about this line of Chiefs? I just looked up Witko=Foolish or Drunken. So perhaps, this is another family line. Name: Jatanka Witco Malbull (should be TaTanka Witko-Mad/Fool Bull) Age in 1860: 45 Birth Year: abt 1815Birthplace: Dakota Occupation: Farmer Home in 1860: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory Race: Indian (Native American) Gender: Male Post Office: Sioux City Value of real estate: $800 Value of Personal Estate: $1500 Household Members: Name Age Jatanka Witco Malbull 45 TaTanka Witko Okes Witco Malbull 38 Okeo Witko Manadutarwe Malbull 18 Mandutaswe or Manadutawin Jashena Witce 16 Jashina Witko Cheta Witce 13 Chita Witko Osher Witce 10 Oshia Witko THIS WAS THE NEXT FAMILY ON THE 1860 US CENSUS Name: Mato Senetea--Chief Translation maybe Sinite' or Sinte' IS THIS MAD BULL'S FATHER? Age in 1860: 60 Birth Year: abt 1800Birthplace: Dakota Occupation: CHIEF AND FARMERHome in 1860: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory Race: Indian (Native American) Gender: Male Post Office: Sioux City Value of real estate: $600 Value of Personal Estate: $400 Household Members: Name Age Mato Senetea 60 Wenorna Senetea 40 Winona Okeo Senetea 30 Jata Senetea 20 Chaska Lonsone Senetea 20 "Lone One" is what is looks like Victoria Senetea 6 THIS WAS THE NEXT FAMILY LISTED ON THE 1860 US CENSUS---COULD THIS BE MAD BULL'S G-FATHER? Name: La la Mca PA Pe ( Could be TA SA NOA PA PI or TA TANCA PA PE(I) --BUT NO TELLING) HEAD CHIEF & FARMERAge in 1860: 90 Birth Year: abt 1770Birthplace: Dakota Home in 1860: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory Occupation: HEAD CHIEF & FARMER Race: Indian (Native American) Gender: Male Post Office: Sioux City Value of real estate: $800 Value of Personal Estate: $500 Household Members: Name Age La la Mca PA Pe 90 Weseco 34 Mato Dusa 28 Mato Duta Shanka Wakon 25 Shunka Wakan Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Yancton Agency, Unorganized, Dakota Territory; Roll: M653_94; Page: 118; Image: 121. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1860 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004. Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States, 1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1,438 rolls. HELP!!! ANYBODY??? Lavanah I came upon this little ditty when researching this evening and finally put the above census records to rest. Sorta South Dakota historical collections By South Dakota State Historical Society, pg 427, published 1920. TATANKA WITCO, (in English language. Mad Bull)."-age 4B, born in Dakota, is one of the few Indians listed in the 1860 census. This Indian was a chief of a band of the Yankton Indians, an industrious, intelligent man and a property owner. He possessed 800 acres of land and $1,500 in cash and other property. His wife's name was Okeo, age 35; and daughters. Manadutawe, age 18; Jashena, age 16; Cheta, age 13: and Oshee, age 10, all born in Dakota. "Tatanka Witko are the Dakota words for "Mad Bull" (or "Foolish Bull"). Tatanka means buffalo bull. There is no such word as satanka. So this is Mad Bull but the question remains was he related to Struck By The Ree or not and if so, how? |
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Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Jun 9, 2009 18:46:15 GMT -5
The identification of the Chiefs in the above referenced 1860 Dakota Terr. Census for Yancton Agency are as follows:
Jatanka Witco is Mad Bull-TatankaWitko for sure
Mato Senetea--Chief is Smutty Bear-Mato Cehnagi;
and La la Mca PA Pe is Struck By The Ree--Padaniapapi, although he is not 90 years old at this time this was probably a mistranslation as he was the Head Chief of the time. The men living with him are probably his sons. I do not know this for a fact but it would seem plausible--more research on these men needs to be done.
If anyone out there knows more, please let me know your help is always appreciated.
Lavanah
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Post by goodgirlforkedhorn33 on Oct 6, 2016 15:27:47 GMT -5
There is so much really great information in what you spoke on above. I believe I messaged back in April of this year with some questions, and I have found out even more recently. I really feel like my ancestors are wanting me to write more about our lineage, but it am stuck at Cetanwanyakapi Decending Hawk Attack. So he was a Yankton Sioux Chief? Is there more to the story that you know? Do you know if there are any pictures that I could view of my family? I have been searching and searching, but cannot locate them. I really want to learn more about the culture of my family and the depths of their faith. Have you heard of the book called "Appeal to Heaven" by a man named Dutch Sheets? Ever since before that book and even more now, I have felt driven to find out more about my heritage and where I came from so now I am writing about it and trying to gather all the information I can. Please let me know your thoughts. I see that your message was back in 2009 so it being 2016, I am sure you have alot more knowledge. So are you related to the Picotte family as well?
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Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Oct 14, 2016 19:23:35 GMT -5
As far as "faith" is concerned the Sioux Indian peoples did not have one. They believed in one Creator and their "faith " was a way of life rather than one of religious ceremony and different religious sects as taught to us by the white man. When studying our people or Native people in general, you will find that indigenous people did not war over their beliefs in the Creator. This is a phenomenon displayed by white Christian Europeans. The following can be found at www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/nam/sioux.html and can serve as general explanation of our spirituality. The Sioux regard the universe as ultimately incomprehensible; life, growth, and death are mysterious and suggestive of powers difficult to understand. Since time itself is regarded as non-causal, and does not embody notions of change and progress, nothing in the universe can be considered to be inevitable. This incomprehensibility and unpredictability of the universe, anything difficult to understand, is called 'wakan', which also connotes the animating force of the universe, the totality of which is 'Wakan Tanka'. Wakan Tanka is the sum total of the personified powers that brought all things into being; sometimes it is embodied as the Six Grandfathers. Humankind itself formed in and emerged from the womb of Mother Earth, as did the buffalo. Everything has its own spirit but all share the same spiritual essence that is Wakan Tanka; so it is that the most important aspects of personality are shared by everything in the universe. Other beings often shared their knowledge with humans or provided aid in time of crisis (See Mary Crow Dog:1991 pp.178-180), and so came to be thought of as 'people'. The observance of the human-like characteristics of these peoples led to the development of kinship with them. At birth one receives from Takuskanskan a guardian spirit and the life-breath or ghost which comes from the stars; at death these return to the spirit world. Ritual seeks to placate the Wakan beings or powers - which may be predisposed to good or evil - but also involves a process of continuing revelation. On returning from his vision quest, the vision seeker commonly integrates his vision into the life of the community by performing it ritually in public. In this way, he adds to the fund of collective knowledge necessary to sustain a balanced relationship between the human community and other forms of life, both animate and inanimate. This sense of unity and of the cohesive force of ritual, is conveyed by the recurring song text: "I do this ( take part in the ritual, songs and prayers) so that I may live with my relations" (Powers:1982 p.154). Finally, a few words on the Black Hills, why they are sacred to the Sioux. According to Charlotte Black Elk, Sioux legend says that with the creation of the universe a song was given to it, each part of the universe being imbued with a part of the song; but only in the Black Hills was the song found in its entirety, here at the "heart of everything that is" (Timewatch "Savagery and the American Indian" Part 2, BBC2 30th January 1991). Legend also says that the hills are "...a reclining female figure from whose breasts flowed life-giving forces, and to them the Lakota [Sioux] went as a child to its mother's arms" (Luther Standing Bear quoted in Matthiessen :1992 p.4). It was in the Black Hills that the Sioux people originated, and at Bear Butte on the eastern edge of the Hills, that the Creator first imparted his sacred instructions to them; thus it is that Bear Butte is the most sacred of all places, and both Sioux and Cheyenne come here each year for vision quests. Although explanations of what happens to one at death vary, it has been said that the spirits of the Sioux dead rest in the Black Hills. I am related to Charles F Picotte, 1832-1896, son of Honore Picotte, fur trader and nephew of Chief Struck by the Ree and his wife, Louise "Waonsidawin-Merciful" Benoist, 1850-1913. Louise was sister to my great grandmother, Julia Benoist, 1868–1938, who married A. C. Smith, cousin, to Charles F Picotte also nephew of Struck by the Ree. As far as the genealogy of Chief Charging Hawk the following is what I have been able to find. Should you need more information my email is in my profile page. Good Luck in your quest for your ancestors and welcome home. This is what I have on Chief Charging Hawk, BIRTH ABT 1805 • Dakota Indian Territory DEATH Unknown Father was: Ozate "The Fork" 1780– BIRTH ABT 1780 • Dakota DEATH Unknown Mother Unknown Sioux Win. Siblings: Wikosiyata 1830– BIRTH ABT 1830 • Dakota Indian Territory DEATH Unknown Julia Hazawin Picotte 1819–1891 BIRTH ABT 1819 • Dakota Indian Territory DEATH ABT 1891 • South Dakota Julia Hazawin's Husband was: Joseph Picotte 1807–1868 BIRTH 29 AUG 1807 • Wolf River, Canada DEATH 27 DEC 1868 • Greenwood Agency, Dakota Territory Julia and Joseph's Children were: Louis Picotte 1839– Mary Louisa Picotte 1839–1922 Emily "Mellie" Picotte 1842–1904 Paul Picotte 1842–1879 Susan Picotte 1844–1915 Mary Picotte 1846–1870 Sophia Picotte 1848– Dalphine Picotte 1852– Charles J. Picotte 1852–1893 Josephine Picotte 1856–1885 Lavanah |
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Post by wakanhotain on Nov 16, 2016 13:09:50 GMT -5
There is so much really great information in what you spoke on above. I believe I messaged back in April of this year with some questions, and I have found out even more recently. I really feel like my ancestors are wanting me to write more about our lineage, but it am stuck at Cetanwanyakapi Decending Hawk Attack. So he was a Yankton Sioux Chief? Is there more to the story that you know? Do you know if there are any pictures that I could view of my family? I have been searching and searching, but cannot locate them. I really want to learn more about the culture of my family and the depths of their faith. Have you heard of the book called "Appeal to Heaven" by a man named Dutch Sheets? Ever since before that book and even more now, I have felt driven to find out more about my heritage and where I came from so now I am writing about it and trying to gather all the information I can. Please let me know your thoughts. I see that your message was back in 2009 so it being 2016, I am sure you have alot more knowledge. So are you related to the Picotte family as well? Cetanwanyakapi means they see the hawk. |
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