Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Mar 28, 2009 17:40:36 GMT -5
Any help would be appreciated even a direction or a clue. I am working here with very little.
1. John (Wambdisapa) Ree abt. 1820 married Julia (surname unknown) abt 1822. Together they had Sarah M. Ree b. 1877. Sarah married Joseph Bruguier, son of Theophile Bruguier and Dawn Anpao.
My question is: Does anyone know who John Ree's parents were?
I have just read a book called The Yankton Sioux by Herbert T. Hoover, where he states that John Black Eagle Ree was nephew to Struck By The Ree and that he served as a Scout for Gen. Sully during the Indian War of 1862 and then became a band chief.
Does anyone know which band of Yanktonai?
2. Pretty Rock, or Felix Brunot, born in 1852, succeeded his father as a band chief when he was only 13 years old and was the first Yankton to attend college. He died in 1920 and was the last Yankton Band Chief.
My question is: Which Yankton band was his father chief of and Pretty Rock lead after his father's death?
My understanding is that up until the 1880's there were 7 Yankton Bands, some of the bands had leaders chosen for them by the gov't.: 1. Iha Ishdaye - Mouth Greasers 2. Wagmuha Oin - Pumpkin Rind Earrings - Chief Medicine Cow 3. Igmu - Cat (people) - Chief Smutty Bear 4. Waceunpa - Roasters or The Ones That Cook 5. Cankute - Shooters At Trees 6. Oyate Sica - Bad Nation - Chief Mad Bull 7. Cagu - Lungs - Chief Struck By The Ree was succeeded by Chief Running Bull in 1888.
I just know some of you who are experts on Oyate may have some answers or clues. Thank you so much.
Post by rickgerlach on Mar 30, 2009 21:19:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry that I don't can't help with your question,but I see you mention MadBull. I have Thomas MadBull on a census from Kansas City but they say they have never heard of Madbull. I know he existed because I have him in "Remember Your Relatives 1" Have you seen anything else on him?
Re.Struck by the Ree: Here is whatihave found sofar: I do not know how many spouseshe had, but one of them was Mazaitzashanawi. he and she were baptized on July 6, 1866 by Fr. DeSmet.(CChittenden,DeSmet,IV, 1284.) Daughters: Tawanaspaskewin and Padianopapi,(second wife of Honore Picotte) andMary Pretty Feather. sons: Thomas Rising Cloud, and Mad Bull were two of them. relatives:Ellen wipaha was his niece, Gassman, Ree, Ashes, Clement Smith, and Agnes Frederick. You might try St.Paul's Mission at Marty, SD, and the South Dakota State HistoricalArchivesin Pierre,SD.
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Mar 31, 2009 18:13:12 GMT -5
You come thru again. I just knew as I was logging on that you had a post for me and what a post!!!! Ellen Wipaha is my Great-Great Grandmother, my grandpa's grandmother. I have been searching for relatives for her for 1 1/2 yrs. Thank you.
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Mar 31, 2009 18:17:51 GMT -5
Regarding John Ree and Mad Bull: John Black Eagle Ree, was the band chief of the Oyate Sica (Bad Nation) band after Mad Bull II died in 1875. John Ree was then followed by Frank Jandron (or Jandreau).
I cannot seem to find much about him either. It may be because his band was small in comparison to others. He had only approx. 100 in his band. He did sign the 1858 treaty and then died in 1866.
It seems both Mad Bull's were gone before the first Indian Census Schedules began in 1885 and for the Yanktons, 1886. I did read that the Yanktons received their first "reserve" with the signing of the 1858 Treaty but that there was an 1860 census taken then.
If anyone knows about these census counts it would surely be great if we could view these documents. I have seen on other blogs and genealogy sites people mentioning and siting census that was taken in 1850 and in 1860 and if my memory serves me right, 1870 as well. Does anyone out there know about these??? Thanks.
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Mar 31, 2009 19:51:47 GMT -5
REGARDING OLD STRUCK'S WIVES: In Remember Your Relatives, vol. I,;
"Yanktons lived in stable kinship bands before missionaries arrived on the reservation. Before long, families divided when churchmen forced husbands with two wives to give up one of them. Chief Struck By The Ree may have lost several wives. According to tribal records, his first wife, Tatehenaptewin, (Whirlwind Bullalo Woman) either died or shared her well-known husband with three other wives." I can find no record of Whirlwind Buffalo Woman.
Hermin, in your post above, are you saying that Tawanaspaskewin and Mary Pretty Feather are sisters and the daughters of Struck By The Ree and that Padianopapi was the 2nd wife? And is there a reference you can share?
One other thing, you might check on Fr Madlon's Picotte Tree Relationship I. On the right hand side he lists Honore's wives. 1. Matilda Eaglewoman 1820. 2. Struck By Ree, Padianspapi's Sister who had Charles Francois. 3. Theressa Dochequotte. 4. Tawanaspekawin (White Necklace Woman) who had Mary White Bear, who married William Irving and had Joseph. She then married Tatiyopa and had Marie Santee.
I have 2 census schedules that you may find interesting re: Struck By Ree
Family 1461 - Pine Ridge - 1892 and 1893 ICS Long Soldier Louie Head abt 1847 Male Sioux South Dakota Louise Wife abt 1844 Female Sioux South Dakota Struck By Ree Mother abt 1803 Female Sioux South Dakota Jennie Struck By Ree Daughter abt 1876 Female Sioux South Dakota Lucy Struck By Ree Daughter abt 1878 Female Sioux South Dakota Oscar Struck By Ree Son abt 1882 Male Sioux
What is so interesting about Struck By Ree is that she is 89 in '92 and 90 in '93, she is caring for Jennie, Lucy and Oscar Ree. Of course she is not "mother" to these children but perhaps the sister of the "mother." I don't know but she is following Sioux "kinship law" with relation to these children.
She is living in the same household as Louis "Long Soldier" and Louise. Louise, daughter of Chief Red Cloud married "Long Soldier." This I find interesting. Anyone know anything about this relationship it would be great or why the Ree children have no parents. It is only two yrs since Wounded Knee which left many orphans.
I just thought this an interesting bit of history.
Eagle woman was the sister of Struck by the Ree.Her son with Honore Picotte was Struck by the Ree's nephew. I must apologize for forgetting to write down the sources of my information for him.I sometimes forget to do this.I do remember that someone ,possibly earth7w told me about the daughters of Struck by the Ree.i was alsosent severalpages from a chapter of a referenceby Tamara,but she failed to cite the source of the pages. the Book The 8th Landing:the Yankton Sioux Meet Lewis And Clark,mentions some references re. him. You might check them out. and yes,I have downloadedseveralof Fr.madlon'strees,including the one you mentioned. they are a pain in the arse to downoload and put backtogether, and the quality of the charts is not allthe fantastic.
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Apr 1, 2009 1:31:56 GMT -5
Hermin, I did the best I could to have those trees converted to jpeg. But, if you really want a good copy of them please send me an email with an email address and I will send you crisp clear copies of what Blue Cloud Abbey sent in pdf format. These, I guarantee, will be such great reference resources that you will be so pleased to have them as I am. There is one 17 X 11 page of the War Eagle/Bruguier tree, one 17 X11 of the Renville tree, and 6 pages of the Honore/Two Lance family tree's which included the progeny of Joseph Picotte and Paul Picotte. Do yourself a favor and everyone else who needs this info and send me your email address so that i can send you the copies of the originals. LJ
Post by rickgerlach on Apr 2, 2009 21:22:39 GMT -5
Would I be able to get a copy of the War Eagle /Bruguier tree. Being adopted I did'nt grow up knowing any of this, but my family has alwas believed Mad Bull was Mary PrettyFeather's father. This stuff is great. please send it to this e-mail email@example.com
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Apr 4, 2009 2:15:41 GMT -5
REGARDING MAD BULL AND SIBLINGS: If Mad Bull was son of Struck By The Ree, then I am assuming that Itehota (Greyface) was also Struck By The Ree's son.
Remember Your Relatives states, "Mad Bull's younger brother was the handsome Itehota (Greyface). Greyface was popular with his own people, and he was equally well liked and respected by whitemen. he was a scout after the 1862 Minnesota Sioux War but refused to join the Yankton Scouts because of his distrust of Agent Walter Burleight. Greyface joined Capt Christian Stufft in the 1864 Bandlands Campaign."
lavannah:I may be off by some years,but the Yankton Reservation wasn't established until sometime in the late 1850's. Try www.us-census.gov or(itmay be http://www.us-census.org)and see what you can find there for censuses. also type South Dakota Territorial Censuses into google and see what you get.
Post by rickgerlach on Apr 4, 2009 22:27:35 GMT -5
I guess that gets to the root of my problem.I have three children each with a different last name,one mother.As far as I know Mary is Mary Pretty Feather because she married Joseph Pretty Feather.As far as I know each child had a different father but I don't have proof on paper. Having been adopted all I have to go on is what I find and what people who have been in this family all there lives tell me.The only feathers I'm sure about are the ones I've ruffled.LOL
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Apr 4, 2009 22:30:20 GMT -5
Thanks Hermin, I will try the territorial census. You see after they signed the 1858 Treaty the bands were given districts and the bands started to disappear since the government didn't allow some bands to choose their own headmen.
Never the less, the government gave them land and their own districts. It was at this time that the government took a census of the Yankton's and the Bands since they were being divided up. Also, it is my understanding that another census of the Indian Bands was taken again in 1860.
Thank You Lavanah Smith-Judah, I just found the family tree's that you sent. Now I have a lot to think about.How acurate do they consider these family trees? Going on the Piccote family tree I found Martha Stinger who would be my gggrandmother.In my probates I have William Hare as "Tatanka".I also have Martha's Mother and father,Issac and Sarah and their parents. It looks some what different than the family tree you sent me. I know that there was a White Man named William Hare who was realy high up in the Episcople church , is this the same guy?The family trees are kind of fuzzy on my computer so I realy can't see where it goes after Martha Stinger and I don't realy know how this one family tree relates to the other one Man, I have looked at other Piccote family trees and not seen that connection before. Again, Thanks.
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Apr 5, 2009 1:38:34 GMT -5
Rick, First you need to take the Renville tree to be copied on 17 X 11 paper and then recopy it lighter so that you can see Fr. Madlons writings under the dark side. Trust me you will be amazed at what you will see.
As far as accuracy of these trees, at least the War Eagle and TwoLance/Picotte trees, I have found them to be 90 to 95% correct. That is to say I have found documentation that collaborates his findings. I have found a few things that are not correct, like Charles Felix "the treaty maker" as Honore's son, when in fact, Charles Francois is the "the treaty maker" and Honore's son. Charles Felix is either Paul's or Joseph's son--there are so many, if you get my drift.
The point is that these are to be used as guides. They sure help when it comes to doing researching on family, believe you me. Had I not had these as guides to follow I would be so not where I am today in my tree.
Yes, we are all related. The Picottes married the Bruguier's the Ashes married the Bruguier's the Renville's married the Picotte's so get used the these families as being intimately connected.
What is really starting to fascinate me is all of the Jews in these trees. I don't have time now to start to research this aspect but will definitely make a note to do so later.
Feel free to email me should you have any questions. And also, go and check out my site, I have documentation on most everyone on my site. I would say about 75 to 80 % of the people do have documents to verify relationships. When in doubt just check the site to see if there are facts.
Now, you go and copy that Renville tree in the original size and copy it lighter until you can see the pencil scratchings of Fr. Madlon.
ricccck: You may be right there was a Bishop Hare who was a big muck amuck in the church. I believe he had several children. He was also sued by Rev.Hinman for libel.I believe the case went to trial, but eventually they settled out of court.this was in the late1800's before Rev.Hinman died .in Minn.
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Apr 6, 2009 0:27:42 GMT -5
Looking on Renville tree, I see at the bottom middle of the page, there is a Willam Hare + Kate. They produced Susan Hare. Here Fr. Madlon made a note that this Hare was "no relation to this Hare genealogy." So maybe this Wm Hare that Hermin mentioned, and his progeny Susan, is the very same Wm Hare Episcopalian minister. They are not related to The Indian Hare family.
Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Apr 8, 2009 15:52:51 GMT -5
I have been in contact with a wonderful woman by the name of Dixie Chambers who is our relative and has done decades of genealogy research on her line of the Yankton Sioux. Her Great-Great Grandmother is Hazawin married to Jos Picotte, her Great Grand Mother is Louise m. to Brunot Cournoyer who had her Grandfather, Chriss Cournoyer m. to Margaret Mildred Hobbs, who had Dixie's mother, Pearl Cecilia Cournoyer m. Paul Chambers. Dixie's states her line runs thru the Igmu-Cat (people) with Chief Smutty Bear.
Dixie worked on the "Remember Your Relatives" and is mentioned in the Introduction of the book under her married name at the time of Dixie Malm. When inquiring about the above topic she writes.
According to Adeline S. Gnirk in "Epic of the Realm of Ree"
1. Band: Strick the Ree, succeeded by Running Bull 2. Smutty Bear, succeeded by Jumping Thinder 3. Medicine Man, Henry T. Sylwyn was his oldes son 4. Pretty Boy, his son, Felix T. Brunot Took over, resigned and William Bean took over 5. White Swan 6. Feather-In-The-Ear (Feather Necklace) 7. Mad Bull, Mad Bull the 2nd, then John Ree(1863-1867), then Frank Jandron (1867-1905) 8. Frank Deloria, the chief of the "half-breed" band, succeeded by Philip Deloria, then Peter Grant took over
No chiefs were recognized after the Treaty of 1893, whereby the Indians sold their surplus lands and became citizens of the U.S.
Dixie then writes:
Found the family group sheet for Cetanwanyakapi "Hawk Sees Them," Descending Hawk Attack, Yankton Sioux Chief Children: Hak(e)sinawaste (Pretty Boy) Looking at the Picotte Relationship tree # 1, I see Fr. Madlon has noted that two of Hejate's brothers were husbands to Oyatewanyagemaniwin (Visiting-Walking-People Woman). The husband noted, Fr. Madlon spells his name Housinawaste which is correct for Pretty Boy with a line to Hejate stating "brother." So I am thinking maybe this Pretty Boy, is father of Hazawin (Julia Hazawin Picotte m Joseph Picotte born about 1802) and Tunkanwasten (Pretty Rock or Felix T. Brunot abt 1852) except that the ICS for Hazawin states dob abt 1818 and another ICS state 1802 so that puts a glitch in this connection somewhat. Could Hazawin possibly be a sister to Oyateyagemaniwin?. Wasumaza (Iron Hall) Askeota (Many Hall Ornaments) Hejate(a) Chief Forked Horn (Born abt 1814 and husband of Oyatewayagemaniwin and father of Osotewin (Smoke Woman)/Grandma White Tallow.) Sunkamankomani (Wandering Horse) Hinhangi (The Gray Owl) Wi(n)yanduta (Red Woman)
Pretty Rock was Pretty Boy's son who changed his name to Felix Brunot and finally gave up being chief to Mahpiyato BLUE CLOUD (abbey named after him) or William Bean as he was also called (1833-1918), who was actually the last chief. Major Jonathan Bean, subagent to the Yanktons married Skuyawin (Sweet Woman). Bean's marriage to Sweet Woman ended, who was Hejate's sister, and Uncle Hejate (Forked Horn) took over the care of Blue Clud until her reached school age at which time he was sent to rejoin Major Bean in St. Louis. He bacme an interpreter and guide for Fr DeSmet, and married Louise Dickson, didn't last so married Mary Itewastewin (Pretty Face Woman). The Picottes cared for him in his later years.
Dixie continues to inform me of this line by saying about her Great-Aunt, Angela Cournoyer-Fiske:
This is part of the obit of my great-aunt Angela Cournoyer (sister of Christopher) Chriss Cournoy, my grandfather. She was married to the famous photographer for N.D., Frank Fiske.
Angela Fishe, 91, Sioux Indian Spokeswoman. Mrs. Angels C. Fiske, 91, a member of one of the earliest families in Dakota Territory and a descendant of theYankton Sioux Indian Chief Forked Horn, died Friday in Tucson, AZ, where she had lived the past seven years. Mrs. Fiske was born on a ranch on the Missouri River near Yankton on Jan. 24, 1883. Her mother was Mary Louise Picotte, daughter of Joseph Picotte, a trader at Old Fort Uniion, and nephew of Honore Picotte, an early explorer of the Missouri River area.
Her grandmother(Hazawin) was a daughter of Chief Forked Horn(so here we have another question, was her father Hejate or Housinawaste), chief of the Wildcat Band of the yankton Sioux. Mrs. Fiske was also related by marriage to Sitting Bull. The couple made their home in Fort Yates, N.D. She spoke the Sioux language. etc.....
I don't know if any of this info has been posted previously but I thought I would share this with you since I am now starting to work on the Two Lance/Picotte tree with Joseph/Paul/Honore Picotte. In addition, to these traders and their wives, I am also researching Chief Hejate, Chief Black Tiger m. to Wikosiyata 1/2 sister to Hazawin, Oyatewayagemaniwin, Oyetaninwin and Housinawaste. Just trying to figure it all out along with the early bands of their families.
If anyone has any further info on these early Sioux Chiefs and their families it would be greatly appreciated.
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