Wabasha Family Tree

[Jimmy]

I'm posting this for DarkWolfe.

Wapasha I / "Red-Bonnet": (abt.1656 - ?)
He was the son of Pine-Shooter & Opechanaoanough, born in the Mille Lacs area. He married an Ojibwe woman and their son was Wabasha II (b.abt.1682).
In 1640 (nearly 40 years after the Europeans explore the northern North America east & west coasts) Jesuit Relation records the information Jean Nicolet obtained on his visit (1634) to Green Bay (visiting the Winnebago - a Siouan tribe whose language & culture are more closely related to the Iowa, Oto & Missouri Siouan tribes than the Sioux) documenting a tribe called "Naduesiu" to the west (the Algonquian name for the tribe meaning snakes - the French version of the name became Scioux or Sioux)(the Winnebago name for their distant relatives, the Sioux, was Caha). It was probably about this time that the Assiniboine split off from the Yankton (Nakota) Sioux and migrate north into Cree lands. It appears by this time period the Winnebago have been cut off from their distantly related Siouan tribes of the Iowa, Oto, Missouri & Sioux due no doubt to the Iroquios wars in the east which forced the Algonquian tribes to migrate west. The Ojibwe into the north western Winnebago lands & the Fox/Sauk into the southwestern Winebago lands.
In 1660 Radisson & Groseillier visit the Sioux and at this time period they were seeking the firearms that their enemy the Cree had already obtained from the French & using against them. Radisson later takes about 50 Sioux on a peace mission to the Cree and at another time visited the "nation of the beefe" or "Prairie Sioux" to the west.
1671 the Sioux drive the Ottawa-Huron refugees from the Mississippi valley.
On 2 July 1679, Daniel Greysolon, Sieur du Luth (Duluth) visiting the "Sioux of the Lakes" village on Mille Lacs called Izatys (this was a Santee Sioux or Dakota village).
Spring of 1680, Michel Accault-Dacan, Antoine Dugay-Auguel dit Picard & Father Louis Hennipen (they are sent by LaSalle up the Mississippi to the Sioux) are escorted by a Sioux war-party to the Izatys village on Mille Lacs. The principle Chief on Mille Lacs is documented by Hennipen as Aquipaguitin.
1695 Pierre LeSueur escorts Mdewakaton Chief Tioscate (Teeoskahtay) to Montreal for council.
1700 Mdewakanton Chief Wankantape visits Pierre LeSueur on the Blue Earth River. (southern tributary of the Minnesota River.

Wapasha II / "Snow-Mountain": (abt.1682 - ?)
He was the son of Red-Bonnet & a Ojibwe woman, born in the area of Mille Lacs. His son was Wabasha III (b.abt.1700-20).

Wabasha III / "Red-Leaf" / Lafeuille / Ouabachas: (abt.1700/20 - ?)
He was the son of Wabasha II, born in the Cass Lake area. His children were: Wabasha IV (b.abt.1773/76), Pelagia (b.abt.1779/81)(m.Augustin Ange dit St.Onge-Lefeure), Daughter (b.abt.1776)(m.Pierre Lapointe), Marpiyarotowin or "Grey Cloud" (d.1844)(m.James Aird, abt.1783), Daughter (b.abt.1775)(m.Joseph Larocque) & Margaret (m.1st.Antoine Dubois & m.2nd.Joseph Rolette).
Wabasha III was a Mdewakanton Civil-Chief until about 1776.
In 1736 Wabasha III was accused of killing a Frenchman in Illinois Country.
In 1737 French traders are forced out of Sioux lands.
Spring of 1741 Ojibwe & Ottawa attack Dakota killing 7 at one location & 11 at another.
September 1741 about 200 Cree & Assiniboine attack "Prairie Sioux" at least 70 Sioux warriors noted by Laverndrye. "Sioux of the Lakes" Chief "Sacred-Born" visits Paul Marin (at this time the Cree/Assiniboine & the Ojibwe/ Ottawa alliances were threatening the Sioux borders on the north & east) in Octorber of 1741 to arrange a peace conference (in 1741 Sieur de LaRonde holds a Ojibwe/Dakota peace council at LaPointe), Jan.1741 Marin hold council with Dakota at the mouth of the Wisconsin River and in July of 1742 Marin is in Montreal at council. Sacred-Born" & "Leaf-Shooter" represented the Mdewakanton Sioux and spoke of raids on the "Prairie Sioux" which had killed 160 warriors. A peace was establish which seems to have lasted a while.
In 1740 Wabasha III met Paul Marin on the Rock River. with Sintez.- Marin takes them to Montreal council with Gov.Beauharnois.
About 1743-46, when word of the new French war (King George's War) reached Michilimackinac a group of voyageurs deserted the French for the far west, some living among the Sioux.
1746 Paul-Louis Dazenard, Sieur Lusignan (command of the French post at Green Bay) is with the Sioux, attempting to bring the deserting voyageur back east. He is unsuccessful but does return with 4 Dakota Chief whom he takes to Montreal for a Council.
1750-54 Paul Marin & his son Joseph re-establish trade with the Dakota. He help the Dakota & Ojibwe negociate winter hunting grounds giving the Ojibwe the right to use the Crow Wing Valley for a season of 1750-51 and allow the Lapointe Ojibwe to hunt to the west of their village to Sandy Lake until about 1754. During this period the Sioux controlled the St.Croix & Chippewa Rivers (eastern tributaries of the Mississippi) being the eastern Sioux borders and the headwaters of the Mississippi roughly defining their northern borders. Joseph Marin in the fall of 1753 lost control of his father's (Paul was recalled back to the east) formerly held northern trading region to Joseph Leverendrye (French commander at Lapointe) who claimed todays northern Minnesota for his own benefit. It appears that Leverendrye encouraged the Sioux northern & eastern neighboring tribes to tresspass on Sioux lands to obtain furs and he seems to have hampered Marin attempts to gain a peaceful alliance between the Sioux and their neighbors. By the spring of 1754 Marin was lead to believe the Sioux claimed the lands from the mouth of the Wisconsin River, north to Leech Lake and most of the Mississippi tributaries between. He also learned that the Sioux intended to put a stop to the Ojibwe use of their lands and it appears as if peace had come to an end.
1754/55 Sioux are in Montreal for a council.
At the outbreak of the French & Indian War in 1754 French traders in Sioux lands are recalled to the east.
About 1756 Wabasha was in Montreal, offering himself for the murder of an English trader killed by another Dakota.
In the spring of 1766 Alexander Henry is with the Ojibwe on Lake Superior and learns of a battle between abt.400 Ojibwe & 600 Sioux (the Ojibwe lost 35 warriors). Jonathan Carver also leaves Michilimackinac for Sioux Country.
About 1770 the Ojibwe center of trade is moved from Lapointe to Sandy Lake.
Spring of 1774 Peter Pond is trading with the Dakota on the Minnesota River and documents an increase in Ojibwe-Dakota fighting. The next spring the two tribes meet in council at the mouth of that river and reach an agreement that each would stay on their side of the Mississippi.
1775 de Peyster holds a council with the Sioux, sending Wabasha & other Sioux representitives to Montreal
1778 Charles Gautier de Verville visited the Mdewakanton on the Upper St.Croix River & notes the Wahpetons moving closer to the mouth of the Minnesota River.
1778 Wabasha visits Montreal & receives a British General's commission.
In July of 1779 he was at Michilimackinac.
1779-81 Smallpox strikes Sioux villages.
Summer of 1780 Wabasha leads his warriors on a attack on St.Louis for the British.
July 1781 Spanish trader Pierre Dorion returns to St.Louis with 6 Sioux Chiefs for a council with Lt.Gov.Cruzat.
1783 George McBeath is sent by Mackinac commander Capt.Dan'l Robertson to hold a council at Prairie du Chien when British announced an end to the war - he meets with the Sioux there in May of that year.
Between 1783 & 1805 he moved his village to near the mouth of the Upper Iowa River.
1784 Joseph Calve is sent to hold council at Prairie du Chien by Robertson.
July of 1786 Joseph Ainse (representing the British Indian Department) hold a council at Prairie du Chien where the Sioux are represented.
July of 1787 Wabasha's son leads Mdewakanton warriors against Ojibwe, as others are negotiating a peace between the tribes.
1788 Jean Bte.Perrault is trading on a tributary of the Wisconsin River, bartering rum for fur with members of Wabasha's village.

Wabasha IV / "Red-Leaf" / Lefeuille / "One-Eye": (abt.1765/77 - 1836)
He was the son of Wabasha IV
May of 1805, Robert Dickson accompies Eastern Sioux (including 30 representitives Upper Mississippi & Des Moine River Sioux) to hold council with American General James Wilkinson.
1815 Wabasha & Little Crow visit the British on Lake Huron.
1816 at British council on Drummond Is., with Little-Crow.
1817 civil Chief of Mdewakanton village at Prairie aux Ailes (Winona, Minnesota) [sub-Chief Wazzacoota] when the American officer Stephen H.Long arrived.
1823 Keating who was on S.H.Long's second expedition into the area met Wabasha IV near Winona, Minnesota and describes him as "...The Chief is about 50 years old, but appears older. His prominent features are good and indicative of great acuteness and an observing disposition; his stature is low; he has long been one of thhe most influential of the Dakota Indians, more perhaps from his talents in council than his achievements in the field..."
Summer of 1836 died of smallpox.

Wabasha V: (abt.1800 - 1876)
He was the son of Wabasha V, born in the Winona, Minnesota area.

[howecreek]

can someone tell me more about the goodteachers on the tree ? I have a tree that was given to me from a cousin. it says not to be published only for sacred use of immediate family . Notes taken by zicha tamahecha lean squirrel n fr daniel, his early history hard to understand adoption names confusing, there is a stamp on it , but hard to read, also added is seems to need correction or more authenticy.. this tree is numbered like your tree so i am interested in the goodteachers on this tree line this one goes back to george goodteacher or tancann ahunpi alot number 100 . any help on this would be appreciated as i don't see anything for the goodteacher or rouillard line here. thanks.

[hermin1]

HoweCreek: I am a little confused by your posting. On the one hand you say you eceived this goodteacher Tree from a relative. I can understand Father Dan Madlon put for the sacred useof Immediate Family Only. You mention that it needs some correcting and inability to make out some of the information.
I amsorry but I can't help you without seeing a copy of the tree itself.
here are some sources you can check out for the Goodteachers: 1885, 1887, 1890, 1895, 1902 Santee Censuses. I believe most of them are on our web site inthe census section.
I also would refer you to the Flandreau church recordsthat have been posted on our website.
then, if you have a library that allows free accessto Ancestry.com, or aFamily istory Center(Mormons), that you log on to ancestry.com and check out the other names of this tree.

[skyvue1]

I just found your site, and what a great job on the Wabasha tree. I am a descendant of Pelagie/Ange and have been doing alot of research validating our tree. Could you tell me what source you had for the Pineshooter/Opecancanough lineage for Wabasha? If it is accurate, then the line would go back to the Opecancanough/Powhatans of Virginia. I have found a link that shows the lineage that way but there are many gaps. Also, if any body has information on Pelagie/Ange to share?
Tx,
skyvue1

[hermin1]

skyvue : Would you please post this link you mentioned, so we cancompare it with justice forall's "rtree"?

[skyvue1]

I received a not back from Dale Nelson clarifing his family tree information regarding Wapahasha I family. The confusion came when Dale showed Wap I mother returning to the Chippewa tribe a marrying a Chipp man and then having two boys. His tree then showed Wap I father as being this new Chipp husband of Wap I mother. So I am grateful to Dale for clarifying for me.
Tx,
skyvue1

hermin1 said:

skyvue : Would you please post this link you mentioned, so we cancompare it with justice forall's "rtree"?

[webchief]

skyvue1 said:

I received a not back from Dale Nelson clarifing his family tree information regarding Wapahasha I family. The confusion came when Dale showed Wap I mother returning to the Chippewa tribe a marrying a Chipp man and then having two boys. His tree then showed Wap I father as being this new Chipp husband of Wap I mother. So I am grateful to Dale for clarifying for me.
Tx,
skyvue1

hermin1 said:

skyvue : Would you please post this link you mentioned, so we cancompare it with justice forall's "rtree"?

Skyvue1,

Thanks for replying.

I have tried to contact Dale Nelson for several years without success. I am glad you have been able to do so.

He is the only researcher who has changed the numbering of the Chiefs Wapasha. Wapasha I, II, & III have been well written about in southeastern Minnesota history and I feel they should remain identified as such.

Earlier hereditary information is very welcome and needs to be explored.

Could you send me his eMail address or phone number. I am very interested in comparing notes with him.

Webchief

freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wapasha/

[Monjeau]

howecreek said:

can someone tell me more about the goodteachers on the tree ? I have a tree that was given to me from a cousin. it says not to be published only for sacred use of immediate family . Notes taken by zicha tamahecha lean squirrel n fr daniel, his early history hard to understand adoption names confusing, there is a stamp on it , but hard to read, also added is seems to need correction or more authenticy.. this tree is numbered like your tree so i am interested in the goodteachers on this tree line this one goes back to george goodteacher or tancann ahunpi alot number 100 . any help on this would be appreciated as i don't see anything for the goodteacher or rouillard line here. thanks.

[sav]

On the "Traversie" side of my family. I have an Augustus Traversie (Langlois), whose mother was a Marie-Ann Landry. Her parents were Jacques Landry, & Marie Bibeau.
Does this mean I'm a descendant of the Wabasha family too? Being that there's the "Bibeau" last name.

Sav

[sh225]

sav said:

On the "Traversie" side of my family. I have an Augustus Traversie (Langlois), whose mother was a Marie-Ann Landry. Her parents were Jacques Landry, & Marie Bibeau.
Does this mean I'm a descendant of the Wabasha family too? Being that there's the "Bibeau" last name.

Sav

I assume there could be different families with the same name but not related. Also, no one is saying that this Wabasha tree is definitely all totally accurate, it's just the best everyone's been able to do so far. I'd suggest seeing if you can work back from your Bibeau ancestors and see if there does seem to be a connection. If you can show one, it would be great if you could post it so we can all learn from it.

[webchief]

I am interested in comparing research with anyone who can trace their ancestry (by documentation) as far back as possible to the Chiefs Wapasha I, II, & III.

I tried to do this for several year thru a website at freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wapasha/. But it became a target for questions, comments and queries like this; I'm related to the Wabasha family thru [some name] and I was wondering if you could tell me how [some name] is related to [some name]? At $100 an hour and a few more years to go than I expect to live, I would like to begin research on behalf of those who posed that question. In afterthought . . . . I do not even want to try.

I have some ancestral trees listed on the website mentioned above but nothing is documented. That project failed. So I'd like to begin anew! I would like to contact anyone who can prove by as much documentation as possible that they are from an ancestral line back to the Chiefs Wapasha.
If you can describe your Wapasha ancestry somewhat like I have below (or better), I would like to join with you in some common research.

1. I am Dale Ebersold, the son of Ralph Eugene Ebersold.
Documentation: (My birth certificate)

2. Ralph Ebersold, the son of August Ebersold.
(birth certificate)

3. August Ebersold, the son of Josephine Rocque Ebersold.
(baptismal certificate)

4. Josephine Rocque Ebersold, the daughter of Madaline Robinson Rocque and Joseph Rocque.
(baptismal certificate)
(Madaline Rocque is listed on the 1889 suppl to the 1886 census as living in the Prairie Island Settlement)

5. Joseph Rocque, the son of Augustin Rocque and Angelique (a Fox and Sioux Indian)
(Crawford County, WI historical archives, 1838 & 1855 documents)
(I have not found any baptismal records. Birth records are probably non-existent)

6. Augustin Rocque, the son of Joseph Rocque and LaBleu (the sister of Wapasha I)
(Wabasha County, MN historical archives & Crawford County, WI historical archives)
(I have not found any baptismal records. Birth records are probably non-existent)

I hope I can find someone who can trace back similar (or better) than I have above to the Chiefs Wapasha.

[preeves6]

Hi Web chief, Does anyone have actual documentation/proof other than what has been handed down by word from generation to generation or what we have read in books , that often say she/he was descended from Wapasha I and then in another chapter it will say Wapasha II ? I have been searching for years and have yet to find actual documentation/proof. The closest I have come is on this site when an old Wapasha tree was posted and it finally verified that my 3x's great-grandmother was the daughter of Wapasha II , but like the person stated: This is what I have on my tree , it is up to each of us to correct, add to or edit on our tree not theirs. The only reason I haven't posted my family tree yet is because every article , book , even the census from one year to the next will either have their names spelled wrong or the year they where born different. It is very frustrating and hard to prove what is true when you have no proof other than what your grandmother told you, and yet you know in your heart that it is true because grandmas don't lie, I should know because I'm a grandma also. So here is what I know know for sure, just remember when I get to Chief Pasha's all I have is what I have read or been told.

1. I am Patricia Garrett Reeves, the daughter of Gladys Lucy Huysentruit Garrett.
Documentation: ( My birth certificate )

2. Gladys Huysentruit Garrett, the daughter of Lavina McCoy Huysentruit.
Documentation: ( birth Certificate )

3. Lavina McCoy Huysentruit, the daughter of Mary E. Mavis McCoy.
Documentation: ( Marriage certificate, 1899 census of Medawakanton Sioux of Minnesota, 1934 Indian Census Roll )

4. Mary Mavis McCoy, The daughter of Harriet Monjeau Mavis.
Documentation: 1896 mix blood Medawakanton Sioux, 1897 Annuity Pay Roll, Original document dated June 22, 1907 member of the Medawakanton-Wahpakoota Band of Sioux Indians, also known as Santee Sioux.

5. Harriet Monjeau Mavis, The daughter of Anne Wabasha/ Nanna Coussi/ Tranamimirsavil ( aka: Ann LaMarche LaBatte Monjeau,
Documentation: 1855-56 Roll of Sioux Mixed Bloods, 1880 Dakota census Hastings, Mn., 1892 Annuity Pay Roll.

6. Ann Wabasha LaMarche LaBatte Monjeau , The daughter of Wabasha II/ the Leaf/ one eye
Documentation: Marriage certificate, Lived until 1837 Sioux Village of Chief Wabasha ( Civil war Pension File ), 1860 census Hastings, Mn. 1840 census at the mouth of the St. Croix, Prescott County, Wisc. also 1850 , books , Wisc. and Minn. Historical Society.

7. Wabasha II/ the leaf II/ one eye, the son of Wabasha I/ the leaf/ red leaf.
Documentation: Wabasha Family Trees, The Chiefs Wapahasha by Mark Diedrich, articles I have read at Minnesota Historical Society.

8. Wabasha I/ the leaf/ red leaf, The son of Snow Mountain.
Documentation: Wabasha Family Trees, what I have read in books.

9. Snow Mountain, The son of Red Bonnet.
Documentation: Wabasha Family Trees.

10. Red Bonnet, The son of Pine Shooter and Opechanaoanough.
Documentation: Wabasha Family Trees.

As you can see I have not been able to find any documentation other than what I have read in books and family trees. I am more than willing to work with you or anyone else, I also have four distant cousins all of us descended from Ann Wabasha LaBatte Monjeau. Each of us from a different son or daughter of Joseph and Ann Monjeau. Two of us live in Minnesota, you would think we would have found something that is actual proof by now, but every time we think we have another monkey wrench gets thrown at us. so if you are willing to work with us we are more than willing to work with you. Patty

[sh225]

I am Sylvia Huot, descended from Sophia Monjeau Huot but I have nothing I can add to Patty's tree since I am descended from the sister of her ancestor Harriet Monjeau Mavis, so going back from there to Wabasha it is the same. From me back to Sophia it is all very well documented but that is the easy part.

I am trying to find out more about our g-g-g-grandmother, who may have been the daughter of Wabasha, whose various names are Tranamimirsavaii, Ann LaBathe Monjeau, Ann Lamarche, Nanna Coussi Wabasha, and various combinations of the above.

In US census records she is Ann Moizo or Mosier (different spellings of Monjeau).

On the record of her marriage to Joseph Monjeau performed by Father Ravoux in 1848 (about 18 or 19 years after they were actually married) she is Ann Lamarche. (Since 'Lamarche' is French for 'walk' I wondered if her name would be something ending in 'mani' but that is only a wild guess.)

Her descendents remember her as Nanna Coussi and we've discussed that 'Coussi' might be 'Kunsi'. But even that I don't actually know, it seems plausible, but just a guess.

In an article about the Dakota War, where it is referring to Francois LaBathe and his wives, it refers to her (his first wife) as "Tranamimirsavaii or Nana Cousi Wabasha LaBathe Monjeau". Someone sent me just that one page and I am trying to find out what it comes from.

I don't know how to find the record of her marriage to Francois LaBathe which apparently took place in 1828 or 1829. Maybe that would have her Indian name and if I could find it, I could see if it has been mistranscribed somehow, since Tranamimirsavaii doesn't seem to be a Dakota name, but there is plenty of evidence that she was Mdewakanton (her children are all listed as Mdewakanton half-blood in Indian and mixed blood censuses for example or for annuities, similarly my g-grandfather Francis Huot is listed as one-quarter Mdewakanton, etc).

I also can't find her in the Mdewakanton census records, probably because I don't know her Indian name.

We have evidence of a connection to Wabasha: her name is given as "Nana Cousi Wabasha" in the reference to her marriage with Francois LaBathe; in the Flandrau papers, her grandson Francis Huot says that his family was related somehow to Wabasha (he didn't seem to know just how). Also this article about Joseph LaBathe, Nana's son from her first marriage who grew up in the Monjeau family, shows that they lived for several years in Wabasha's village:

* * *
St. Paul Pioneer Press 27 May 1894:
Joseph LaBathe (pronounced LaBat) is another of the mixed-blood farmers on Grey Cloud. He owns a good little farm whereon stands a neat, comfortable house, and he is a genial hospitable gentleman and a good citizen. Mr. LaBathe was born in Mendota in 1825. His father, Francois LaBathe, was a mixed blood born at Prairie du Chien in the early part of the century, and was for some years in the employ of the earliest traders. Mr. LaBathe was reared by his stepfather, Joseph Mojeau, a hunter, trapper and raftsman. His childhood was chiefly spent in Wabashaws's village, on the river prairie of that name. In 1837 his stepfather removed to Point Douglas, and in 1840 came to Pig's Eye. Mr. LaBathe has lived at Prescott and on a farm four miles below Hastings and at Grey Cloud since 1879. In the latter part of the war he served as a scout on the frontier under Col. William Pfaender and other commanders.
* * *

All that seems to suggest a connection to Wabasha pretty definitely, but none of it actually proves that Nana was directly descended from Wabasha. However, that is the story that has been passed down in the family.

There was a family relationship between the Monjeau's and "Indian Lucy" (Tateiyayewin) the wife of "Indian John" (Mahpiyawakenze) who was known for saving the white inhabitants of Hastings during the Dakota War. I've been told that Lucy was the daughter of Wabasha and some say she was the aunt of Nanna Coussi's children while others say she was their first cousin. That is, she was either Nana's sister or her niece depending on the source. I have not seen the documentation for it although there is a photograph of Mary Monjeau (Nanna's daughter) with Lucy, so that does prove that at the very least they knew each other well enough for that!

So all in all there is some kind of family relationship to Wabasha but it sure is hard to prove what it was. I would like to find Nanna's marriage record with Francois LaBathe but I don't know how to do that or what kind of record it would be. I don't know if it was a Catholic ceremony or a justice of the peace or a Dakota ceremony or what. Also, I don't know if she was ever baptised but if she was there should be a record for that, too. I know the Monjeau children were baptised, but it doesn't give their mother's name (just says "Joseph Monjeau and a Sioux woman, his wife" were the parents).

Finally, just to add to the confusion, in his statement in the Flandrau papers Francis Huot (son of Sophia Monjeau; Nanna's grandson) says "My people belonged to Shakopee's band and were in some way related to Wabasha". I don't know if there is a contradiction in being descended from Wabasha and being part of Shakopee's band. Maybe not if you were descended from Wabasha I or Wabasha II but by the time of Wabasha III maybe had become connected to Shakopee. I really don't understand what it meant exactly to belong to a band. In any case, Francis Huot was only 13 when Nanna died and the Flandrau papers were 35 years after that, so it's possible he got it slightly confused.

Well that is all I can add for now. If anyone sees something in all this that I have missed I would love to hear it. Any suggestions about how to proceed would be gratefully received!

[webchief]

Seeing the documentation that Patricia listed in reply#31, I will edit my reply#30 hopefully today to add the annuity rolls that my father, grandfather * grandmother appear on.

Sylvia in reply#32, you might not find a marriage certificate but I feel you should find baptismal certificates for the children. Very often the early French trapper/traders who married into the native families didn't have benefit of a local church but when a visiting missionary arrived at the trading post more than one child was baptized during the visit. Their ages were listed and you could determine a fairly accurate birth date. My great-grandmother Josephine Rocque Ebersold spent all her early years in what is now called Wabasha County, MN but her baptismal record was found in the archdiocese of St. Paul. We had searched Winona, MN and Dubuque, IA figuring that is where the traveling missionary came from or stopped off at when he came down the Fox River and up the Mississippi. Sometime documentation is not where you think it should be.

Replies #31 & #32 trace back to Wapasha II.

Reply #30 traces back to sister of Wapasha I.

It would be hard for the three of us to find common documentation, but maybe by listing how we each trace back to whom, others we are not aware of may reply and additional documentation discovered.

Mark Diedrich published a remarkable book "The Chiefs Wapahasha" that has a long list of documentation in his chapter end notes. However, I am too far away to research the collections he has listed.

James L. Hansen published an extensive article on the Rocque family in THE GENEALOGIST, Spring 1997, Vol 11, No 1, "The Origins of the Roc/Rock family of Prairie du Chien and Wabasha."

Dale Nelson lists two earlier generations of three known Chiefs Wapasha in users.usinternet.com/dfnels/wabasha-zip.htm, specifically Snow-Mountain & Red-Bonnet. But beyond his writing, I have found nothing.

[webchief]

Thanks justiceforall. I thought I had posted a "thanks" earlier, sorry. It's a great thread and collection of Wapasha ancestry.

[sh225]

Regarding Nanna Coussi, I just wanted to add that some people have identified her as a daughter of Wabasha I who was married to Amable Grignon. However it was someone else who was married to Amable Grignon, not Nanna, and there is no record of her ever being married to him. And Patty and I think Nanna can't have been the daughter of Wabasha I because he died in 1806 and was almost 90 at the time. Whereas it's hard to believe Nanna could have been born even as early as 1806 since her youngest child (Alexander Monjeau) was born about 1852, and even if she was 46 when Alexander was born, that would mean her father was almost 90 when she was born, how likely is all that? If she is a daughter of one of the Wabasha's it seems like it would have to be Wabasha II. Of course it is possible that she was the daughter of one of Wabasha I's other sons or daughters, that is, a niece of Wabasha II, and first cousin to Wabasha III. But I still don't know how to prove any of this.

I have seen the baptismal records for Nanna and Joseph's children and as I said, it doesn't give her name, it just gives the children's names and lists the parents as 'Joseph Monjeau and a Sioux woman, his wife'.

But I'm going to try if I can to see if there is any record for her marriage with Francois LaBathe, to see what her name is there. I'm not counting on it, I realize there might not be any written record, but it's possible. Anyway it's about all I can think of at this point. That name 'Tranamimirsavaii' has to come from somewhere!

I can easily imagine that 'Tranamimirsavaii' is a misreading. Her youngest son, Alexander, is called 'Heianbar' and her daughter Theresa is called 'Faris', in one of the transcriptions of Joseph Monjeau's affidavit for the Mdewakanton mixedblood census of 1855-56. It's often very hard to read the handwriting in those old documents.

[preeves6]

If anyone has a record of her marriage to Francois LaBatte it will be his 2x's greatgrand-daughter and I will find out tonight or tomorrow if she is at home . But I will get that record if she has one. Patty

[navajo]

I am Navajo (enrolled), Siseton-Wahpeton, Yankton and Scottish on my father's side. James Wapashaw (this is how it is spelled on one of the Navajo census records) Robertson was my grandfather, my great grand father was Thomas Robertson (Sottish/Sisseton) and my great great grandfather was Andrew Robertson (Sottish). After recieving land inventory sheets from the DOI this past Friday, I found a name on one which said original allottee Jane A. Robertson (Sisseton-Wahpeton Rosebud Agency). I decided for the first time in my life (considering my father grew up as a traditional on a reservation with his Navajo mother and Sioux-Scottish father) to do the unthinkable....geneology reserach. And I was VERY surprised to find out my paternal grandfather (James) was of Scottish descent. I noticed you had Ida questioned marked, she was known as Short Foot. If you would like to know anything else, please e-mail
me.

[hermin1]

Wapahasha / Wabashaw family researchers/descendents:
AT the Renville county Museum is a Family Tree of the Wapahasha or Wabashaw s that ws prepared by a Wabashaw descendent.
also, Mr. Hansen mentioned above, is a genealogical reference librarian for the wisconsin Stte Historical society aRchives in Madison ,WI. they have quite a bunch of the records of the Minnesota Territory, and what later became wisconsin and michigan. He has written m,any valuable and informative articles in the Minn. Geneal. Journal. he may be able to help you.type wisoncin State Historical society Archives in google and find his contact information.
Father Ravoux's records can be found at the St. Paul Seminary in St. Paul, Minn.
Dr. Caroline Anderson 's Dakota presence In Minnesota 1824-1995 is also a good reference.

I will be posting the Wapahasha Family tree from the Renville county museum on Mike Denney's Website: mdenney.proboards55.com/index.cgi? Look for it in the section titled To Ask for Help On A peron.
I hope this information helps.

[defilade]

7. Hubert Joseph Londre
& (Hosanna “Rose” Venne)
8. Melva Rose Landre
& (Richard Joseph Blahnik)
Married: 08 JUL 1924
& (Frank Jerald Frye)
Married: 17 NOV 1938
9. Bette Jane Rose Blahnik
& (Deane Ellsworth Spilman)
10. Lori Marie Spilman
& (Ken Dollevoet)

Hubert and Rose were my great grand parents, Melva Rose Landre & Richard Joseph Blahnik are my grand parents, Bette is my aunt, and Lori Marie Spilman is my cousin.

So I’d like to add my mother Joyce and my siblings to the list.

9. Joyce Blahnik & (Robert Norbert LaCount)
10. Vicki Jo LaCount & (David James Ivey)
10. Bruce Robert LaCount & (Sandra Hardey)
10. Randal Clay LaCount & (Dolores Azopardo Reyes)
10. Penny Sue Ann LaCount & (Rupert Bosley)
10. Jill Marie LaCount & (Michael Rudolph)