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Post by mdenney on Feb 6, 2007 2:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by ggsarahdumarce on Mar 8, 2007 2:31:22 GMT -5
I am new and just registered, but I am not sure what to do next. I am trying to find my great-great grandmothers name and I just have her Indian name.
This is what I have so far:
My grandmother is Amelia Chapman Jones
My great grandmother is Sarah Chapman and Sarah's parents are Tatikarnajian and Hapawziwin. Can anyone tell me what her name would be translated to?
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Post by sisco on Mar 18, 2007 0:16:58 GMT -5
I have done some research on Sarah's mother and she lived in S.D., her english name was Susan. She was married to Peter Dumarce and they had land over by Sisseton. There is a death certificate for her in the court house in Britton S. D. Peter was a scout at Ft. Wadsworth. Peter and Susan are also on the Sisseton rolls. I believe it is the 1908, I have been tracking her for some time now as believed she is the mother to my ggrandfather. He was a Red Wing. Please if u have any info on who her parents were I would like to talk with u. My email address is wacante@hotmail.com
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 19, 2007 9:14:57 GMT -5
Tatekarnajin: I believe Tate means wind or whirlwind and najin means to stand or be ready. i don''t know the kar part though.
Amelia's indian name was Asnahewin. She married Guy W. Jones(s/o Henry Johnes and MNancy Standing soldier)., at Santee in 1903.(Santee Marriage Register).
guy's father was a brother of Hanna Bates and alice Arrow.
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Post by Mark on Mar 19, 2007 10:26:57 GMT -5
hI hERMIN1,
What information did you have that shows Henry Jones was a brother to Hannah Bates and Alice Arrow?
Thanks,
Mark
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Post by tamara on Mar 19, 2007 11:49:58 GMT -5
Hey! I would like to know that as well! Hermin1... have I told you lately that you amaze me? lol!
-also there are alot of great people signing on the home page and it worried me that they may not know how to get to the board. (linda philbrick for example -we need her!lol)
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Post by NDNs NOT conquered on Apr 13, 2007 8:47:56 GMT -5
“Indians” Conquered? Hell NO! www.myspace.com/indigenousrednationsFirst, Indigenous Red Nations and Peoples of Great Turtle Island (misnomer “Native American Indian” of the “western hemisphere”) each have their own unique and distinct nation and language. In 1492, there were over 500 Red Nations but not long after, many were annihilated by columbus, pilgrims, and settlers until 1890. Second, Indigenous Red Peoples are not “American”, for the reasons as stated in the previous, as Indigenous celebrate their own Indigenous Nation Citizenship, however oppressed those “tribes” and/or “tribal council puppets” may be at this time by the United States government. Third, an official (congress, senate, president) and therefore legal declaration of “war” was never adopted, passed, or ruled upon by the American government against even one Indigenous Red Nation - ever. As for the invasion and occupation by europeans of what is now called “u.s.a.”, and ‘learning from your mistakes’, it is amazing how a corrupt u.s. government and an even more corrupt “war” (invasion/occupation-for-oil) now in Iraq can continue. The current Iraq debacle mirrors exactly what was done to Indigenous Red “Indian” Peoples right here on Great Turtle Island; move in, murder ‘leaders’, occupy lands, exploit resources, implant a ‘puppet’ government – sound familiar? Evidently Berry’s teachers for got to leave the facts out of his schooling (if he ever had any). War was never declared officially in Iraq, either, so that the u.s. military could commit atrocities outside of the ‘war rules’ of the ‘Geneva Convention’ (Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, Guantanimo Bay; or Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, Trail of Tears, of yesterday). Also, over nine trillion dollars in Black Hills (Lakota-owned) gold sits as stolen property in Fort Knox, Kentucky, while billions in “Wyoming” coal (again, Lakota owned) is illegally transported across state lines daily to provide electricity (TV’s, computers, lights, power) to millions of Americans with not even one penny to the rightful Lakota owners. Fourth, Indigenous Peoples are still standing, still here! un-murdered by uncle sam – so there! Until you conquer me, with my undoubtedly superior mind, body, and spirit, we Indigenous will always be here. Berry needs to get an education (not one filled with racism and stereotypes) so that he can be enlightened with facts, truth, and honor so that he may find true happiness that he now lacks. An open mind is a valuable resource in an often too closed-minded society. www.mytribalspace.com/tribal/index.php/public/groups/view/id_325/Houston’s Berry: “We need to stop wasting all this time and energy apologizing to the American Indian, which we continue to do ... We give them casinos, we give them special licenses, we give them special scholarships and why I don't understand…We conquered them, that's history – Hello…You got to be against giving welfare to the American Indians because of the fact, that 200 years ago they were whipped in a war. Lets just call it what it is, they lost a war.” |
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Post by DarkWolfe on Apr 28, 2007 23:39:18 GMT -5
This is my first post, so I hope I am doing it correctly. This site is amazing, and I have not begun to read it all! I hope there are no dumb questions, because I have many. Firstly, I have scanned the Internet for the meaning of, "Oyate" and have come up with "family" or "people." Can anyone clear this up for me? Secondly, is there someone in particular here, who might tell me about an artifact, which has been in my family for many generations (since about 1880s I would guess)? I do not know how it looked in the beginning, but I have seen it since childhood, and often took it to school to share with my classes. I have since re-strung it myself. I suppose I should tell what "it" is!  It is about a 4ft long piece of rawhide, like a bootstrap. About every inch or two there is a knot. In between the knots there is an item (for lack of a better explanation). These items look like sewing tools, animal teeth and so forth. Does this sound familiar to anyone, or can you refer me to someone who might? I have always supposed it was something used in ceremonies. My great grandparents had a trading post in Nebraska and they said it came from there. Buffalo Bill stopped in on his way west, my grandfather remembers. Thank you very much, DarkWolfe |
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Post by denney on Apr 29, 2007 0:47:17 GMT -5
Take a picture of it post here so we can see it that would help This is my first post, so I hope I am doing it correctly. This site is amazing, and I have not begun to read it all! I hope there are no dumb questions, because I have many. Firstly, I have scanned the Internet for the meaning of, "Oyate" and have come up with "family" or "people." Can anyone clear this up for me? Secondly, is there someone in particular here, who might tell me about an artifact, which has been in my family for many generations (since about 1880s I would guess)? I do not know how it looked in the beginning, but I have seen it since childhood, and often took it to school to share with my classes. I have since re-strung it myself. I suppose I should tell what "it" is! It is about a 4ft long piece of rawhide, like a bootstrap. About every inch or two there is a knot. In between the knots there is an item (for lack of a better explanation). These items look like sewing tools, animal teeth and so forth. Does this sound familiar to anyone, or can you refer me to someone who might? I have always supposed it was something used in ceremonies. My great grandparents had a trading post in Nebraska and they said it came from there. Buffalo Bill stopped in on his way west, my grandfather remembers. Thank you very much, DarkWolfe |
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Post by DarkWolfe on Apr 29, 2007 4:24:36 GMT -5
I am still trying to figure out how to answer to the right posts on here. I took a few shots of this artifact (until I can name it), but not sure what size, so it may be a little small. These photos do not do it justice, it is quite beautiful, and each piece on its own. (That door panel is 22" tall.) This may sound strange, but several times people have told me to take it to one of those antique shows. They do not understand, I want to know what it is, and I do not want to hear some guy put a price on it. There can be NONE! I know on this site, this will be understood. DarkWolfe    |
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Post by BIG JON on Apr 29, 2007 10:48:45 GMT -5
FANTASTIC ARTIFACT!...MY GUESS(and thats what it would be) IS THAT IT IS A STRING OF MEDICINE BEADS... IT WOULD POSSIBLY BE ATTACHED TO SOMETHING OF GREAT IMPORTANCE(i.e. a staff, a teepee pole, in front of a teepee or sweat lodge or something along those lines)...
THE OBVIOUS ANSWER WOULD BE A NECKLACE...BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE CORRECT...AS THE LENGTH SUGGESTS SOMETHING ELSE...
IT SEEMS TO BE MADE OF BONES?...IS THAT CORRECT?...AND YOU ARE RIGHT, IT COULD ALSO HAVE HAD A DOMESTIC USE(i.e. an awl, sewing needles, gaming pieces,)
IT COULD ALSO HAVE BEEN A SORT OF COUP STRING(counting game that has been killed)
THE PICTURES YOU POSTED ARE KIND OF SMALL, SO NOT MUCH DETAIL IS VISIBLE...ARE THERE PIECES MADE OF PIPESTONE?...WOOD?...ARE THEY MADE OF BONE?...IS THERE FLAT STONES ATTACHED?...IS THE THONG(string) MADE OF LEATHER?....IS IT THE ORIGINAL THONG OR HAS IT BEEN REPLACED?...A HIGH RESOLUTION SCAN(or photo) WOULD BE OF GREAT ASSISTANCE...
AGAIN MY GUESS IS TA'KU WAKAN(HOLY OBJECT)...POSSIBLY TELLING A STORY(to be remembered by its owner)...OR TELLING OF EVENTS(in his life?...or his oyate?(his people, tribe, band, relatives)...
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT IT?...OR THE TRADING POST?...WHERE WAS THE POST?...OR THE NAME OF IT?...IT COULD HAVE BEEN FROM ONE OF NUMEROUS TRIBES DEPENDING UPON THE LOCATION OF THE TRADING POST(chippewa, dakota, mandan, cheyenne,...and the list goes on)...WHEN WAS IT OBTAINED?
BIG JON
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Post by denney on Apr 29, 2007 11:37:13 GMT -5
Could you get good picture of it so I could try to ID what it is made of real close picture be nice I am still trying to figure out how to answer to the right posts on here. I took a few shots of this artifact (until I can name it), but not sure what size, so it may be a little small. These photos do not do it justice, it is quite beautiful, and each piece on its own. (That door panel is 22" tall.) This may sound strange, but several times people have told me to take it to one of those antique shows. They do not understand, I want to know what it is, and I do not want to hear some guy put a price on it. There can be NONE! I know on this site, this will be understood. DarkWolfe |
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Post by DarkWolfe on Apr 29, 2007 14:23:20 GMT -5
I will address this to all of you so I don't take up too much space here and repeat myself. 1. I restrung this myself a couple of years ago. It was always kept in a cigar box for safe keeping, until I inherited it. I have it hanging in my family room, with photos of wolves and some Indian pieces I have collected on trips. 2. I will be 60 this year and it has always been in my family. Unfortunately, as with many things, I did not ask enough questions about it, and I am about the oldest living relative now. 3. My family settled in a little southeastern town in Red Willow county, Nebraska, called Mc Cook. In 1965 I went for a visit and my great aunt had the whole top floor of her house filled with tables of remnants of the trading post articles. I was supposed to come back and help her categorize it, but my father became ill and I had to support my family for a while. Her maiden name was Ball and I assume it was a Ball who had the trading post. I do plan a trip out there this summer. 4. This item is made of bone, wood and possibly teeth. I was not sure how large to make it, so please advise. I did not want to take up too much space here, as you are all doing me a great service in helping. I am just overwhelmed this morning with the responses so far. It is the first time I have asked anyone. When I looked closely at the pieces, and my father had agreed, it looks like many of the pieces would have been used in sewing. When my mom gave it to me it was in pieces in the box. The rawhide had simply disintegrated from time. I have no idea how many times it had been restrung. My dad wore lace up boots and it was on the same kind of rawhide as the laces he had. When I restrung it I did tie the knots closer together, as I had only two pieces at the time. My worry is that it was originally in some order, telling a life story. If this is the case, it is lost, probably forever. I hope this photo is large enough, and not too large.  With a full heart, I remain, DarkWolfe  |
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Post by mdenney on May 1, 2007 17:44:01 GMT -5
You need see some one who would have a major in this and has at least ten years in native artifacts...have you done this prior to asking here?
I must know that part, but it does appear to be tools of some kind.
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Post by DarkWolfe on May 1, 2007 18:58:45 GMT -5
Greetings Jamie,
First, I must thank you, for such a wonderful website, and allowing me to be a part of it!
This is the first time this artifact has ever been photographed by my family. Last night I was talking to Jimmy and we saw a photo on this board of RED BIRD and he seems to have a similar necklace on his neck.
I have not asked anyone, because I asked about another item once, and all they were interested in was a dollar figure. You could not give me ten million dollars for this, it is a sacred piece of history. Could I sell one of my grandchildren? I hope you see what I am talking about here.
Since placing this necklace on my desk, it is as if it speaks to me, guiding me to places on the Internet to search. If you click on my name you can see what I have come up with in just a few days.
Most of my life has been a search for me, and now I think I might have found a place where I might do some kindness for people. So, again I must thank you for this also.
As I remain,
DarkWolfe
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Post by DarkWolfe on May 14, 2007 16:36:03 GMT -5
3. My family settled in a little southeastern town in Red Willow county, Nebraska, called Mc Cook. In 1965 I went for a visit and my great aunt had the whole top floor of her house filled with tables of remnants of the trading post articles. UPDATE: I head from my cousin in Omaha, Nebraska, whose mother was my father's cousin. She still lives in Mc Cook and knew a little about the Trading Post. It belonged to my aunt's husband's grandfather, George Fitch, so was not a direct ancestor of mine, but he eventually owned the property. There seems to be an Indian burial ground behind where the Post was. Wild Bill Hickok and Buffalo Bill both were known in those parts and came to the Post and played checkers there. Fitch built the first wood building in Red Willow county and was the first married there about 1870. That's about all my cousin knew off the top of his head, but we will definitely be going to Mc Cook, to meet, probably September 8-9, when they are having a hot-air balloon affair, which I have always wanted to see anyway, woo-hoo! While there I will ask as many questions as I can and see if the burial grounds is available for me to view and take photos, in case anyone might want/need them. This is sounding promising. We may learn more about this artifact after all. With high hopes, I remain, DarkWolfe |
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Post by DarkWolfe on Jun 23, 2007 1:15:26 GMT -5
I have heard and spoken with many people over the last weeks about many things. Some people have different views on "Indian ways". I had said in my previous post, I would photograph this graveyard if it exists.
I have read it is "not allowed" at Wounded Knee.
Now for my question. What are beliefs regarding photographing tombstones? My reason for doing this would be in order those who cannot go to these places might see them through the photos. I know different religions and so forth have feelings about photography in general.
Can someone tell me what the Sioux believe in this regard?
As I remain,
DarkWolfe
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 23, 2007 1:25:02 GMT -5
I am certainly no expert on what the Sioux believe on the subject, but I see no problem with it, as long as you are not trying to make money off of it. Just like in any cemetery, be respectful of the dead, and don't walk on the mounds. I have taken photographs at a few Sioux cemeteries, and didn't have a problem. I even took pictures at Wounded Knee, and I was with a couple of local Indians at the time, they didn't see a problem with it.
They way I see it, just be respectful while there, and do it with good intentions, and there shouldn't be a problem. However, if you are asked to leave, don't make a fuss, just leave. Another thing is, don't enter the cemetery if there is a funeral going on, and don't bother people who may be there mourning.
That is my 2 cents, maybe somebody else knows more.
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Post by DarkWolfe on Jun 23, 2007 2:36:18 GMT -5
Thanks Jimmy.
Most of what you stated is common sense and just plain courtesy, so thats a given. As you know, I am learning the ways of your people everyday, and am not afraid of being told what is what. I only wish they would have taught us many of these things in school, instead of the "crap" we did. Who cares about those dates we had to memorize? We were taught more about foreign wars than the ones here in the states. Hmm... wonder why? Could it be the guilty conscience of the US government? Ha!
Well, you kind of know what I am about in that regard.
I found a census tonight and was wondering if it might be yours. I saw you had a Henry Trudell born in 1847. The 1880 census for Maiden Rock, Pierce county, Wisconsin has Henry Trudell born 1847 WI and wife Mary born 1843 MN, their parents all born Canada.
As I remain,
DarkWolfe
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Post by santee1961 on Jun 24, 2007 23:25:27 GMT -5
I have seen people take pictures at Wounded Knee for several years. I think if you are respectful, well mannered and with the best of intentions, I don't think it may be a problem. My family has been taking rubbings off the stones as well as pictures. The reports of chipping headstones for a souvenior disturbs me greatly. That is in no way representing good intentions or being well mannered. If someone is concerned and youare traveling a distance and if that is something you are worried about, call the closest church and ask if it can be done. I will help get phone #'s, the right people, general vacinity for you. Make sure that you allow plenty of time for the preplanning, etc. Just leave me a message on how I can help you.
Thanks and take care.
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