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Post by tarahall on Oct 6, 2006 20:29:45 GMT -5
I'm having delays with the BIA in Aberdeen. They would not process my request for several probates. They claimed exemption 6b to protect the privacy of the individual....well I had all of the dates of death listed. I did complete a lovely reply and hand delivered it today and increased my request of probates by four more. I included copies of death certificates and marriage certificates etc.. I hope they will process my FOIA request now. They also informed in writing that they DO NOT issue family trees. I didn't address that in my second response. The only BIA certified family tree I've personally seen I believe the individual family typed it up and included their enrollment numbers and then an employee from the real property management certified that the information was a true and correct reproduction of information appearing on a record filed with the BIA....
If I get the requested probate for Lizzie Howe Frazier I will certainly share it along with any other probates I get.
Thank you all for you hard work and willingness to share.
Tara
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Post by hermin1 on Oct 7, 2006 1:52:42 GMT -5
I ams o sorry I didn't know you were looking for her. Here is what I have from the 1902 Register of Santee Indian Families:
albert e. Frazier age 51 aka Tacyatanka. parents: Ehnamani and Winyanhiyayewin.
spouse: Lizzie H. Frazier, nee Hour age 35.
parents: George Hour-white man, and Lucy Hour-Ponca.
children:
Howard aka Isaiah
Jessie
Maggie
John
Gracie
David
Artemus___________
the 1884 Santee Census lists Albert E. with spouse Llizzie and a son Isaiah at age 4/12
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Post by tarahall on Oct 9, 2006 19:29:03 GMT -5
That's interesting.
On the certificate of death that I have for Elizabeth H. Frazier's parents it lists George W. Howe and Lucille Le Claire. I also have Lucille Howe's death certificate which lists her as Indian and her parents as Peter N. Le Claire from Iowa and Lucy from Nebraska the informant is Benjamin Howe.
I don't know where the "Hour" last name you have fits in unless perhaps it was a typo or I have no idea? What do you think? I could certainly fax you a copy of the certificates.
I am so curious....If anyone else knows please feel free to shed some light on this.
Thank you Hermin1,
Please don't worry. I believe it is a type on the part of the person who typed the informatin.
Tara
Oh, I had to modify my post because as I was reviewing Albert Frazier's Death Certificate I realized where an error couldf've occered. On question 5a for spouse it list Lizzie How? Frazier but it is hand written and it could look like Hour I just chalked iot up to poor penmenship because the e on the end of How wasn't closed off. Maybe that is it?
Tara
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Post by tarahall on Oct 9, 2006 19:39:05 GMT -5
Has anyone read or have documentation of who "Winyanhiyayewin"'s parents are?
Tara
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Post by tonya on Oct 9, 2006 20:30:10 GMT -5
which George Henry were you referring to Tonya? My grandfather Lyle A. Henry had a cousin, Nelson Henry Sr whose father was George Henry Jr, brother to my gr. grandfather John Lamar Henry (son of John K Henry). John LaMar and George Sr. were brothers. Both sons' of John K Henry and Mary Henry. According to Nelson Henry Sr, (who was also a self proclaimed family historian) his grandfather George Sr. moved to the Turtle Mountain Res, and Nelson Sr received copies from a book that has pictures of George Sr with his wife and some of their many children. Nelson Sr obtained this from relative in Belcourt ND and when he was alive and he traveled to meet family and he attended a family reunion there. Nelson Sr gave me copies of the book some time ago. Thanks Tonya |
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Post by tonya on Oct 9, 2006 20:42:37 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, Huntkatanka did not have a son George. John Kawinge Henry hd a son named George Henry who had at least 6 wives. His last wife was a white woman, Goldie Dillon, the dau. of John Dillon who lived on the South Bottoms in sioux City,Iowa. George Jr, as we call him, liked the name George because he named two of his sons George: Geroge Benjamin, and Nelson George Henry. Oneof his sons or grandsons, Mark also had a son named George Henry with whom we grew up. He married my fourth grade teacher, Wilhemina Wallasser. He was a very artistic person and had his own printing shop. he died in 1989. I found nothing in the old pre-outbreak records to even suggest that Huntkatanka was a Chippewa. Since we don't know the parents of his two wives, I would question any suggestion that either was a Chippewa, since the Sioux and the Chippewas were longstanding enemies. Wicibdezawin, one of Huntkatanka's children, according to testimony at Sophia Henry's Probate Hearing, was living in Minnesota on the Chippewa Reservation near St.Paul,MN and the only person who knew her whereabouts was I believe Rev. Albert Frazier. This is what is in my probate file on John Kwinge Henry and his children. John K. married Mary Henry, they had the following children...Sadie Henry Paypay, George Henry, William Henry, Della Henry West, John LaMar Henry, and Howard Henry. I agree that Huntkatanka was not a Chippewa, he is Sioux. I was suggesting that according to an earilier post that George Sr. (son of John K. Henry) married a Chippewa, as told through family oral history. Tonya |
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Post by hermin1 on Oct 10, 2006 6:37:53 GMT -5
Tanya: John Lamar , is he the one listed as Johnnie Henry? I didn't have anything on him other than his name and when he was born, and who his parents were.
so then George Huntkatanka, didn't have Henry as a surname?
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Post by tonya on Oct 10, 2006 12:04:32 GMT -5
Tanya: John Lamar , is he the one listed as Johnnie Henry? I didn't have anything on him other than his name and when he was born, and who his parents were. so then George Huntkatanka, didn't have Henry as a surname? John Lamar is the son of John Kawinge and Mary Henry. Yes he went by Johnnie Henry. John Kawinge is the son of George Huntkatanka Henry. I have John Kawings baptismal and it says George Henry. tonya |
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Post by Nancy on Aug 28, 2007 18:04:07 GMT -5
I am new to this format, and I note all these say RE: Star Frazier. I had been researching a distant relative, Star Frazier, of whom I know I am related to, but don't know how, and this site came up. I know the Fraziers in my family are thru my grandmother Emma. My father is buried in the a Santee reservation cemetary outside Niobrara(been there, can't spell it) and that there is also a Star Frazier buried very close to him, with many other Fraziers. I know nothing of a Probate, and am only interested in finding the connection. I'd enjoy seeing any lineage or family trees reguarding this line. Thanks!
Nancy tnshome@msn.com
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Post by hermin1 on Aug 31, 2007 15:49:11 GMT -5
nancy: It would help us to help youu if you would please post what information youdo have on your family.
fro right now:I would suggest you go totheMdewakanton research sigt which is mike denney's website. I have posted the Frazier family tree there..You can rewach thesite real quick when you log in to this web site, look for the moving titles on the header, and click on the feather one. Then you need to register in order to log on.
Georte Huntkatanka henry was married to 2 sisters. with the one sister he had 7 children incouding John Kawinge Henry, Sophia Henry-Hedges,. wiith the other sister he sired Artemus Ehnamani, who married Rebecca Frazier and he took her surname.
Update and correction:
With the second sister, George Huntkatanka henry had 5 children including Artemus Ehnamani
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Post by tokakte on Sept 3, 2007 11:14:29 GMT -5
Star Frazier wqs my great-grandfather. His Indian name was "Wicanpiotadan", or "Many Stars". He was John Fazier's oldest son and Agnes Fazer Wilson's (my grandmother) father.
tokakte
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Post by hunkpapa on Nov 5, 2007 22:00:36 GMT -5
My name is Andy White my grandmothers name was Vera Frazier White, Alberta Frazier Cane's older sister
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Post by nettiebe on Dec 21, 2007 21:14:03 GMT -5
Andy, I knew your grandmother Vera White and her son Howard. Your also trace back to Antoine Ziepher Recountre. The family tree for Antoine is on this website. Vera was related to my grandmother Nancy Quilt-Wilson. I recently met my first cousins from Eagle Butte, their from the Frazier Family and have a certified family tree. Mike Frazier said that they have a Star Frazier in their family he must play basketball because people have seen his name and ask me. Your grandmother was a very nice lady, I loved visiting with her and I am named after Annette Frazier.
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Post by wazi on Jul 15, 2008 10:13:26 GMT -5
Wazi, If you have a fax I can fax some copies of the family trees I have. I love to share information. My motive is to create an accurate family tree and history. I understand or at least can empathize with our ancestors who were warriors and who wanted peace and safety for their loved ones and families. I don't blame anyone for whatever they felt they had to do to survive at that time. I can't imagine how devastating life had become and I'm sure our families tried various ways of surviving the living hell. I would do anything to protect my loved ones too. I guess what I'm saying is I will continue to gather information to prove we are descendants of Jack Frazier who I believe should have his name on "A LIST" . If I come across information to prove otherwise then that's ok too because my end goal is accurate family heritage records for our next generations. There are several Fraziers with the same name and some have gone by different nicknames too Margaret Frazier (Wakte' hni hde' win)Comes Home in Triumph and Jack Frazier (Ite' Wakan)Holy Face or (Ite' Maza) Iron Face) had several children: Lucy ( Uncidenduta win) B. 1836 d. 1906 Ne Sophia ( Can Kaskanska Win) aka Can-na b. 1831 Mn D. 8/19/1888 Rebecca (Winiyanhi yaye win) aka Martha aka Maggie b. 1832 d.1903 John ( Haniyutuduta aka Nakte Hanke) b.1835 d. 1887 James ( Ehake Inajin) b. 1843 d. 1883 Tunkan Mani b. d. 1896 Jane Wamnuhadan b. d. 1896 1 child died in infancy Rebecca was married to Artemus Ehnamani and yes he was very close friends with John Frazier. John married two of Artemus's sisters and Artemus married John's sister. Tara Hi Tara, I am not sure if you found what you have been looking for as of yet. I just wanted to correct some of your information. Winona was the name of John Frazier's mother. I do have a record of Jack having a wife named Winyantowin, according to Eliza Wells, she Winyantowin was her great grandmother. Accordingly, Winyantowin seperated with Jack when Julia Rouillard was 2 mos old and married Kangibdoka. So there is the possibility that Winona was also Winyantowin...... Maggie |
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 15, 2008 19:45:10 GMT -5
Wazi:
Julia Frazier's mother Nancy Wwinyantowin married Kahboke aka Joseph Graham, after she was divorced from Jack Frazier aka Itemaza. They were married by Rev. J.P. williamson in 1866/67(J.P. wiliamson Persoal Memorandum)Ref. Dakota presence in Minnesota 1824- 1995. Caroline A. Anderson. Indiana state Univ.,
Julia
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 15, 2008 19:53:06 GMT -5
You needa probate?
contact the NARA in kansas city,MO. contact: lori.cox-paul@nara.gov
give her the person's tribal affiliation, death date, allotment no(if known). You will have to pay $15 for the first 20 pages, then 75 cents for each additonal page copied.
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Post by wazi on Jul 16, 2008 8:30:00 GMT -5
Wazi: Julia Frazier's mother Nancy Wwinyantowin married Kahboke aka Joseph Graham, after she was divorced from Jack Frazier aka Itemaza. They were married by Rev. J.P. williamson in 1866/67(J.P. wiliamson Persoal Memorandum)Ref. Dakota presence in Minnesota 1824- 1995. Caroline A. Anderson. Indiana state Univ., Julia Thanks Hemin1, I sure appreciate that information... Wazi |
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 16, 2008 9:01:21 GMT -5
You are most welcome wazi. welcome back to Oyate. it has ben awhile since you posted.
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