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Post by peacekeeper on Aug 8, 2006 21:29:39 GMT -5
It has recently come to my attention that Star Frazier's probate has members of my family listed in it. If anyone has this probate I would really appreciate getting a copy of it so I can read it for myself. Thanking any help in advance.
Jackie
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Post by tokakte on Aug 9, 2006 12:30:12 GMT -5
Jackie--
I have a copy of Star's probate. Why don't you PM me with the names who might be on there, and I'll email or surface mail a copy to you. My own memory of the document is that there were no surprises among the heirs..just children and grandchildren, but I'd be curious to know if we are related.
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Post by peacekeeper on Aug 9, 2006 15:41:30 GMT -5
Hi Richard. I sent you an email with all of the info that I have at this time. Thank you.
Jackie
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Post by tokakte on Aug 10, 2006 10:41:10 GMT -5
Jackie--
I haven't received your email yet, but a thought occurred to me after your "Campbell" connection became evident: One of Star's half sisters was Julia Frazier Campbell. Her name appears in Maggie Frazier's probate, along with Agnes Frazier Lawrence (Carl Leith's ggrandmother), and Star himself (among others). Maggie was John and Maggie Ehnamani Frazier's youngest, and she died before her mother did, thus making all of her brothers and sisters, half and whole, fractional heirs to her estate. Neither she nor Agnes are listed on Star's probate, but I suspect that the Neb. Fraziers may have been trying to freeze their MN kin out of any of Star's estate. They needn't have bothered since the Neb. probate laws do not include half siblings in probate distributions.
Tokakte
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Post by hyland on Aug 10, 2006 12:40:49 GMT -5
Jackie-- I haven't received your email yet, but a thought occurred to me after your "Campbell" connection became evident: One of Star's half sisters was Julia Frazier Campbell. Her name appears in Maggie Frazier's probate, along with Agnes Frazier Lawrence (Carl Leith's ggrandmother), and Star himself (among others). Maggie was John and Maggie Ehnamani Frazier's youngest, and she died before her mother did, thus making all of her brothers and sisters, half and whole, fractional heirs to her estate. Neither she nor Agnes are listed on Star's probate, but I suspect that the Neb. Fraziers may have been trying to freeze their MN kin out of any of Star's estate. They needn't have bothered since the Neb. probate laws do not include half siblings in probate distributions. Tokakte |
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Post by hyland on Aug 10, 2006 12:44:35 GMT -5
OOPS, hit the wrong key on the previous one. Just wondering.... Did you mean Jessie Fraizer's probate , Star and Charles youngest sister? (Maggie and Johns's daughter) Did John and Maggie also have a daughter Maggie? I know that John and Jennie had a daughter Maggie. Jackie-- I haven't received your email yet, but a thought occurred to me after your "Campbell" connection became evident: One of Star's half sisters was Julia Frazier Campbell. Her name appears in Maggie Frazier's probate, along with Agnes Frazier Lawrence (Carl Leith's ggrandmother), and Star himself (among others). Maggie was John and Maggie Ehnamani Frazier's youngest, and she died before her mother did, thus making all of her brothers and sisters, half and whole, fractional heirs to her estate. Neither she nor Agnes are listed on Star's probate, but I suspect that the Neb. Fraziers may have been trying to freeze their MN kin out of any of Star's estate. They needn't have bothered since the Neb. probate laws do not include half siblings in probate distributions. Tokakte |
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Post by tokakte on Aug 10, 2006 15:34:53 GMT -5
Oops! yes, it was Jessie, not Maggie.
Thanks
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Post by tarahall on Sept 13, 2006 21:54:42 GMT -5
My name is Tara and Alberta Frazier is my Grandma and Jessie is my G Grandma her parents were Elizabeth Howe and Albert Frazier, his parents were Rebecca (winiyan hi yaye win)aka Martha aka Maggie Frazier and her husband was Artemus Ehna mani. Rebecca's Father is Jack Frazier (Ite' Wakan) Holy Face or ( Ite' Maza) Iron Faceand her mother was Margaret (Wakte' hin' hde' win) Come Home In Triumph B.1810 Mn. Terr. D. 1896 Santee, Ne .
Could anyone who has Probates with these names in it please send me a copy? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you .
Tara
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Post by hermin1 on Sept 13, 2006 22:31:52 GMT -5
I would suggest you contact Carl Leith and see if he will send you a copy of the probates. He is a big Poobah on the other web site.If you are a cdescendent of the Fraziers, you need to go to Winnebago BIA and ask for them.
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Post by tarahall on Sept 13, 2006 23:12:49 GMT -5
I will contact Winn. BIA and request the information. Thank you for the feed back. I may contact Carl Leith too, but I don't want to appear lazy by asking others to share information that I should've gone through the same procedures that they used. I enjoy this site and haven't been on any other message board for regarding this work. Thank you!
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Post by tamara on Sept 14, 2006 0:19:23 GMT -5
lol lol... "big poobah" lol.. I'm sorry but some words just make me laugh!!!
- I love your sense of humor Hermin1!!
I would suggest contacting Carl Leith as well. I am not sure if you are aware of the other board but I can send you the link for it if you like. I am 100% sure he would more than helpful and you might ask him for copies of the Jack Frazier story too. It is an incredible history and he would certainly be an expert on it. I doubt anyone thinks you are lazy, rather racing the clock, like alot of people. I know there are many families that feel that they had very late notice of the lawsuit and as it had limited media coverage/court ordered notice, I tend to agree with them.
Tamara
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 16, 2006 10:50:25 GMT -5
According to current research the name “Frazier” can be spelled in more ways than one.
This information is being provided by “Mamabear” and Danny Mozak, who are living well on the Nebraska Prairie.
REFERENCE: Excerpt from the Minnesota Genealogical Journal No. 4: Prairie du Chien Earliest Church Records 1817. (Beginning on page 329),
QUOTE:
The date given for number 6, is the same day and year for the preceding was undoubtedly a day or two before April 22, 1817.
Page 330. The first two?? pages of the record have been lost, so baptism No. 6 is the first one extant.
Number 11. April 1817. Domitille Frezer (Fraser), born April 25, 1812, of the legal marriage of James Frezer and Euphrosin Antalla (Antaya). Gf//Ant. Roy x. Gm//Jullie Crelis x.
Father Joseph Marie Dunand, the Trappist pastor of St. Ferdinand de Florissant, near St. Louis, Missouri, traveled the Mississippi river in the spring of 1817, to minister to the inhabitants of Prairie du Chien. He was almost certain the first priest to visit the area since its permanent settlement. And in the month he was there he officiated at 135 baptisms and 14 marriages and 1 burial. The record of these ceremonies, still preserved at St. Gabriel’s Catholic Church in Prairie du Chien, provides an important source of genealogical information on the earliest settlers of the entire upper Mississippi river valley. In addition to the original records at St. Gabriel’s, the State historical society of Wisconsin holds a photo static copy, and there is a transcript including most of the genealogical information among the papers of Peter Scanlan, the historian of Prairie du Chien. Both the photo stats and the Scanlan papers are normally housed at the society’ area research center at the University of Wisconsin/Platteville. The information for this translation was taken independently from the photo stats, and then compared with Scanlan’s transcripts. The original record is written entirely in French.
Father Dunand’s handwritten, while somewhat cramped, is not unusually difficult to decipher. And his spelling of names, while occasionally phonic, is normally consistent from record to record. The very few names that could not be deciphered are indicated by question marks.
In cases where Father Dunand’s spellings might be misleading, the more common spelling is added in brackets.
The first baptisms and first marriage are translated in full. Succeeding records are abbreviated slightly for reasons of space, but include all the information that might possibly of genealogical use. Because signatures can be used genealogically to confirm identity, Godparents who signed the record are identified by (+) plus signs behind their names; those who signed by marks are identified by an (x). When the spelling of the signor name differs from Father Dunand’s, the signature spelling is followed. Note: Father Dunand appears to be using the term (legitimate marriage) (mariage legititme) to indicate a marriage sanctioned by the Catholic Church, and legal marriage (mariage legititme) to indicate a marriage by civil authority.
The signature block submitted by:
James L. Hansen
Reference Librarian
State Historical Society of Wisconsin
816 State Street
Madison Wisconsin 53706
END QUOTE.
MIKE
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Post by peacekeeper on Sept 16, 2006 14:37:07 GMT -5
Just a reminder. I am still waiting for a copy of Star Frazier's probate. It has many members of my family in it and I would like to find out what the connection is. Please contact me if you have any of the info.
Jackie
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Post by wazi on Sept 18, 2006 13:07:21 GMT -5
My name is Tara and Alberta Frazier is my Grandma and Jessie is my G Grandma her parents were Elizabeth Howe and Albert Frazier, his parents were Rebecca (winiyan hi yaye win)aka Martha aka Maggie Frazier and her husband was Artemus Ehna mani. Rebecca's Father is Jack Frazier (Ite' Wakan) Holy Face or ( Ite' Maza) Iron Faceand her mother was Margaret (Wakte' hin' hde' win) Come Home In Triumph B.1810 Mn. Terr. D. 1896 Santee, Ne . Could anyone who has Probates with these names in it please send me a copy? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you . Tara Hi Tara, Your information is news to me...not saying that in a bad way. Artemus was the brother to Maggie and Jennie Frazier. Artemus and Maggie are the children of George Henry aka Hunkta Tanka and Mahpiyasa (if I am remembering correctly). Jennie is a half sister to Artemus and Maggie. Okay now Artemus for years went by Ehanamani and sometimes you will find Maggie using that last name. Artemus was very fond of John Frazier as they were friends and John married first Maggie and then Jennie, so Artemus took the Frazier name, as a sign of respect and love. John Frazier is the son of Jack Frazier, Ite Maza, and Winona. I know of only one other child of Jack Frazier and that is Julia Frazier and she married Thomas Rouillard. I have not seen anything regarding Rebecca. I am very interested in your information. If your records are correct is your family one of the many filing a motion to intervene? I strongly believe that Jack Frazier is a true loyalist, whatever that means   . I hope I helped in your quest. wazi |
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Post by wazi on Sept 18, 2006 13:08:42 GMT -5
According to current research the name “Frazier” can be spelled in more ways than one. This information is being provided by “Mamabear” and Danny Mozak, who are living well on the Nebraska Prairie. REFERENCE: Excerpt from the Minnesota Genealogical Journal No. 4: Prairie du Chien Earliest Church Records 1817. (Beginning on page 329), QUOTE: The date given for number 6, is the same day and year for the preceding was undoubtedly a day or two before April 22, 1817. Page 330. The first two?? pages of the record have been lost, so baptism No. 6 is the first one extant. Number 11. April 1817. Domitille Frezer (Fraser), born April 25, 1812, of the legal marriage of James Frezer and Euphrosin Antalla (Antaya). Gf//Ant. Roy x. Gm//Jullie Crelis x. Father Joseph Marie Dunand, the Trappist pastor of St. Ferdinand de Florissant, near St. Louis, Missouri, traveled the Mississippi river in the spring of 1817, to minister to the inhabitants of Prairie du Chien. He was almost certain the first priest to visit the area since its permanent settlement. And in the month he was there he officiated at 135 baptisms and 14 marriages and 1 burial. The record of these ceremonies, still preserved at St. Gabriel’s Catholic Church in Prairie du Chien, provides an important source of genealogical information on the earliest settlers of the entire upper Mississippi river valley. In addition to the original records at St. Gabriel’s, the State historical society of Wisconsin holds a photo static copy, and there is a transcript including most of the genealogical information among the papers of Peter Scanlan, the historian of Prairie du Chien. Both the photo stats and the Scanlan papers are normally housed at the society’ area research center at the University of Wisconsin/Platteville. The information for this translation was taken independently from the photo stats, and then compared with Scanlan’s transcripts. The original record is written entirely in French. Father Dunand’s handwritten, while somewhat cramped, is not unusually difficult to decipher. And his spelling of names, while occasionally phonic, is normally consistent from record to record. The very few names that could not be deciphered are indicated by question marks. In cases where Father Dunand’s spellings might be misleading, the more common spelling is added in brackets. The first baptisms and first marriage are translated in full. Succeeding records are abbreviated slightly for reasons of space, but include all the information that might possibly of genealogical use. Because signatures can be used genealogically to confirm identity, Godparents who signed the record are identified by (+) plus signs behind their names; those who signed by marks are identified by an (x). When the spelling of the signor name differs from Father Dunand’s, the signature spelling is followed. Note: Father Dunand appears to be using the term (legitimate marriage) (mariage legititme) to indicate a marriage sanctioned by the Catholic Church, and legal marriage (mariage legititme) to indicate a marriage by civil authority. The signature block submitted by: James L. Hansen Reference Librarian State Historical Society of Wisconsin 816 State Street Madison Wisconsin 53706 END QUOTE. MIKE I have seen the name spelled Fraser, Frazier, Frazer, Frasier wazi |
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Post by wazi on Sept 18, 2006 13:10:35 GMT -5
Just a reminder. I am still waiting for a copy of Star Frazier's probate. It has many members of my family in it and I would like to find out what the connection is. Please contact me if you have any of the info. Jackie Hi Jackie, I think Tokakte said he had the probate but wasn't sure who you were looking for. As I was following along, I think he is waiting for your kins names so he can check. I to am interested to see how you may be related. wazi |
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Post by tokakte on Sept 18, 2006 17:39:43 GMT -5
Sorry..I've been distracted by the death of my sister and all the legal things I had to straighten out. My copy of the probate got scattered when the staple gave out. I'm missing some critical pages, such as a summary of the heirs, but my cousin in Pierre is faxing me a copy. It should be here shortly, and as soon as it gets here, I'll send it along.
tokakte
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Post by tamara on Sept 18, 2006 18:02:53 GMT -5
Tokakte
I am very very sorry for your loss.
Tamara
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Post by tarahall on Sept 18, 2006 18:46:14 GMT -5
Wazi,
If you have a fax I can fax some copies of the family trees I have. I love to share information. My motive is to create an accurate family tree and history. I understand or at least can empathize with our ancestors who were warriors and who wanted peace and safety for their loved ones and families. I don't blame anyone for whatever they felt they had to do to survive at that time. I can't imagine how devastating life had become and I'm sure our families tried various ways of surviving the living hell. I would do anything to protect my loved ones too. I guess what I'm saying is I will continue to gather information to prove we are descendants of Jack Frazier who I believe should have his name on "A LIST" . If I come across information to prove otherwise then that's ok too because my end goal is accurate family heritage records for our next generations.
There are several Fraziers with the same name and some have gone by different nicknames too
Margaret Frazier (Wakte' hni hde' win)Comes Home in Triumph and Jack Frazier (Ite' Wakan)Holy Face or (Ite' Maza) Iron Face) had several children:
Lucy ( Uncidenduta win) B. 1836 d. 1906 Ne
Sophia ( Can Kaskanska Win) aka Can-na b. 1831 Mn D. 8/19/1888
Rebecca (Winiyanhi yaye win) aka Martha aka Maggie b. 1832 d.1903
John ( Haniyutuduta aka Nakte Hanke) b.1835 d. 1887
James ( Ehake Inajin) b. 1843 d. 1883
Tunkan Mani b. d. 1896
Jane Wamnuhadan b. d. 1896
1 child died in infancy
Rebecca was married to Artemus Ehnamani and yes he was very close friends with John Frazier. John married two of Artemus's sisters and Artemus married John's sister.
Tara
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Post by tarahall on Sept 18, 2006 18:56:40 GMT -5
Tokakte,
I'm so very sorry to here about your loss. My Grandfather Clarence Thompson Sr. passed away last month. I am so fortunate and thankful for the time I was able to share in his life.
Whenever you get a chance could I get a copy of Star Fraziers probate too? If you PM me with your address I will certainly pay for a copy to be sent to me.
Thank you,
Tara
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