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Post by kunsi10 on Jul 3, 2006 14:29:00 GMT -5
Does anyone have any information to Anna Wells listed on the 1886 census, i.e. Indian name; who married to, children, parents, etc.?
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 5, 2006 16:57:24 GMT -5
anna Wells was born 13 mar. 1807 and died 30 Aug. 1890.
she had at least a son,David Wells married to Elizabeth, and they had 2 small children, in the 1880 US Census for ElkPoint,Dakota Terr.
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Post by Little Flower on Jul 5, 2006 19:07:59 GMT -5
Is this the same Anna Wells that is the mother of Samuel Wells, Henry Wambdisun and Mary (Iciyapewin) Trudell?
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 5, 2006 21:14:58 GMT -5
all I have is what I show in my card files.
where did you get your information re. whom she was the mother of?
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Post by bakerdlb on Jul 8, 2006 0:25:40 GMT -5
I am also interested in what information you have showing that Anna Wells was the mother of Samuel Wells, Henry Wambdisun and Mary (Iciyapewin) Trudell. One of my relatives has seen a probate of Henry Wambdisun's listing Titakoyakewin as Henry Wambdisun's mother in the "Parents of Decedent" part. It also states that Wambdisun Ianyake was his fathers name.
There is another document that spells the name Tatikoyakewin for his mother and just Wambdisun for his father. We believe that Samuel Wells, Henry Wambdisun and Mary (Iciyapewin) Trudell are brothers and sister, and therefore are thinking that means that since Anna Wells is Samuel Well's mother, that Anna Wells is Titakoyakewin. Does anyone have any other documentation showing that Anna Wells is Mary (Iciyapewin) Trudell's mother?
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Post by Little Flower on Jul 11, 2006 10:42:07 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me the Christian names of: Wamndisun Ianyake and Titakoyakewin/Tatekoyakewin?
Thanks.
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 11, 2006 20:21:12 GMT -5
Wamnbdisun means Eagle Braid or Eagle wing.
Tate means whirlwind or wind, but amateur that I am I can't make out the rest of his name, sorry to say.
We've been unable to find any documentation in the way of a probate for Mary Iciyapewin Trudell that would confirm this sibling relationship.
all I have is testimony at one of the hearings for Iron Elk in which it was alleged that Henry St. Cloud had a son that died and left a son named Sam St. Cloud, who was living.i could not find any records re. Sam St. Cloud.
I did find Sam Wells and his family in Minnesota , but the woman listed as his mother, and living with them, was Josephine Allen, wife of Richard Allen, son of the late Huntkaduta(brother of Iron Elk).
this would seem to indicate that she had been married to Sam Wells's father, whomever he was, before she married Richard Allen.
which means that you need to find the probate for David Wells to find out for certain, who his parents were to confirm this. Kapeesh?
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 11, 2006 20:33:19 GMT -5
t this point I can only say is that based on records from Flandreau, and the above census information on Sam Wells, Josephine Allen was the mother of Sam Wells and Samuel Allen.
Maybe David Wells's heirhip papers may show some light on the subject, of whether his mother was also th emother of theother two you mention ..
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 11, 2006 22:45:11 GMT -5
mary Iciyapewin and Henry Wambdisun were siblings, according to Brill's chart on the Trudells.
I would llike to see this probate that you mention re. the parents of Henry Wambdisun.
and I am sure you would like to see it too.
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Post by bakerdlb on Jul 11, 2006 22:49:16 GMT -5
hermin1,
When you talk about Samuel Wells, are you talking about the Samuel Wells that married Ida, or the Samuel Wells that married Lucy? The Samuel Wells that I was asking about was the one that married Lucy. On the 1886 census, next to Anna Wells's name it says, mother of Samuel.
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Post by bakerdlb on Jul 11, 2006 23:05:21 GMT -5
hermin1,
I have found it interesting that in trying to figure out if Tatekayakewin is Anna Wells:
1. Every name I have found on the Santee Sioux Reservation Nebraska 1885 Indian Roll that starts with a "Tate" and ends with a "ewin" (which I've been told means female)", the English name is Anna!
2. Examples from this census are:
A. Tatenwanyakewin = Anna Green
B. Tatejatewin = Anna Wabashaw
C. Tateyopa?? (listed as mother, so probably ends with ewin) = Anna Ross
D. Also, on the 1890 census I found Tatewanyokewin = Anna G. Thomas
Therefore, it seems that it could be likely that:
E. Tatekayakewin = Anna Wells
On these censuses, there were no indian names starting with "Tate" and ending with "ewin" that did not have an English name of Anna.
What do you think?
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 4, 2006 23:47:30 GMT -5
Does anybody have any real evidence showing Mary Iciyapewin Trudell and Henry Wambdisun as siblings? I have heard all of these rumors, but have yet to see any documentation.
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Post by hermin1 on Aug 5, 2006 5:51:26 GMT -5
baer I also find it quite interesting. Tate means wind.
Iciyapewin was born @ 1815 in Minnesota, and she married francoise/Frank Trudell in 1835 at St. Peters ,MN.the marriage was performed by Father Ravoux. Yes she was Henry Wamndisun's sister.
Philip Webster's parents were Wicadayomani and Wamduska.
He married Tiakiskatawin.
there is a death certificate for their daughter ana Webster-RedOwl that says that anna Wells was her mother. but is this the right Anna Wells? There are several listed by Ancestry as having been born in Minnesota.
Tiakiskatewin's mother was Jane Ashdohewin, who also had Lulu Primeaux with John Premoux, and Josephine Webster with a Webster,according to testimony of Philip Webster, uncle of Josephine Webster, at her probate hearing.
Also Ashdohewin's father was Tatetawa.
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Post by hermin1 on Aug 5, 2006 5:55:21 GMT -5
There was a Samuel Wells, married to Ida in Santee and one who lived in Minnesota, married to Lucy.
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 5, 2006 13:32:25 GMT -5
baer I also find it quite interesting. Tate means wind. Iciyapewin was born @ 1815 in Minnesota, and she married francoise/Frank Trudell in 1835 at St. Peters ,MN.the marriage was performed by Father Ravoux. Yes she was Henry Wamndisun's sister. Philip Webster's parents were Wicadayomani and Wamduska. He married Tiakiskatawin. there is a death certificate for their daughter ana Webster-RedOwl that says that anna Wells was her mother. but is this the right Anna Wells? There are several listed by Ancestry as having been born in Minnesota. tiakiskatewin's mother was Jane Ashdohewin, who also had Lulu Primeaux with John Premoux, and Josephine Webster with a Webster,according to testimony of Philip Webster, uncle of Josephine Webster, at her probate hearing. Thank you for the information. How do the Websters and the other families fit in with Mary Iciyapewin and Henry Wambdisun? Sorry, I'm still confused about this family. I can believe that Mary and Henry were siblings, but I have a hard time believing that Anna Wells was their mother. It also seems that Sam Wells was way too young to be their sibling. |
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Post by hermin1 on Aug 14, 2006 8:56:11 GMT -5
the information I posted above re. the Sam Wells in Minnesota, indicates that Sam Wells was not iciyapewin and Henry wamnbdisun/s sibling.
but other 6than that I don't know how the tow families are related.
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Post by hermin1 on Aug 14, 2006 9:01:14 GMT -5
i don't know where you got that 1886 Census, since there was none done in 1886, but acording to my copyof the original 1885 census,anna wells was listedasthe mother of David.
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Post by hermin1 on Aug 16, 2006 12:20:11 GMT -5
I would very much like to see this Probate of Henry Wambdisum that people are talking about. I am not doubting you, but seeing something and having it in your possession are two different things.
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 16, 2006 13:03:16 GMT -5
I'm with you, I will believe it when I see it. However I learned that the document is missing. Apparently a lawyer checked it out, and hasn't returned it. (I didn't know you could "check out" official documents)
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Post by linda on Aug 16, 2006 15:55:52 GMT -5
Jimmy,
Where was the document checked out from?
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