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Post by isantibelieve on Mar 22, 2006 16:48:40 GMT -5
need any info on frank trudell I believe he is my grandma's grandpa'..
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Post by wazi on Mar 22, 2006 17:06:23 GMT -5
need any info on frank trudell I believe he is my grandma's grandpa'.. If you are talking about Frank Jr, he had two wives they were sisters. His first wife was Itekagewin and his second wife was Maggie "Wicinyan" Tuttle. Frank's parents were Mary and Francis Trudell. Maggie Tuttle's parents were Mary Tunkannahowin and Tateibobdu. wazi |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 24, 2006 0:41:09 GMT -5
there are at least 3 Frank/Francis Trudells,one was born in Minnesota and stayed there, the other two are father and son.
it would help if you would tell us who your grandma and her grandpa were.
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Post by isantibelieve on Mar 28, 2006 21:20:49 GMT -5
Francis and Mary had a Frank, and this Frank had a Son Louis and this Louis had a Daughter Frorence Trudell and Florence is my Grandma. I don't know Frank 2's wifes name.
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Post by isantibelieve on Mar 28, 2006 21:23:52 GMT -5
Did Frank jr have kids with these,,, each wife , and if so do yu have the names of the kids for each wife?  |
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Post by isantibelieve on Mar 28, 2006 21:26:24 GMT -5
Is the Frank that was born in Minnesota related and if so do you know how? Or someone anyone that can help??
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 28, 2006 21:36:40 GMT -5
Francis trudell (Jr.) was married to a non -indian Mrs. Frank Trudell, by whom a daughter, Mary Trudell-Faribault was born.His second wife was Maggie /Margaret tuttle-taylor and their children wereMoses, Louis, Nellie, Stella, and Lena Emma.
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 29, 2006 20:37:28 GMT -5
louis Trudell was born April 14, 1888 at Santee,Knox NE. Louis registered for the WWI Draft on June 5, 1917, and listed that he had a wife and four children. the 1920 US Census for Lancaster County NE has Louis at age 31,His wife Nellie M. Age 28, Ernest B age 9, Florence R. age 7, Sallie age 5, George age 3 6/12, and Harry A. age 2 6/12. The rest ,in so far as baptisms you can look for at the new web site for the records fromaugustanna: www.wambdimoni.com/dakota_church_records/ |
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Post by wazi on Mar 30, 2006 14:30:08 GMT -5
Francis trudell (Jr.) was married to a non -indian Mrs. Frank Trudell, by whom a daughter, Mary Trudell-Faribault was born.His second wife was Maggie /Margaret tuttle-taylor and their children wereMoses, Louis, Nellie, Stella, and Lena Emma.
Hope that helped.
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 31, 2006 19:06:50 GMT -5
Wazi: thanks for the information on Itekagewin. I talked with a descendant, and they were surprised to say the least to learn about this previous marriage of Frank's, which was not mentioned in his Probate papers.
what they also didn't know was that Frank Trudell ,Jr. also fathered three children with a woman named Hinjiwin: Lucy born in Sioux City Iowa, @1871, George @1879, and Eli Trudell both born at Santee.
Rev. John C. Tuttle and Ellen Tuttle also had a daughter Margaret,'Maggie" Tuttle, but she died at a very young age.
My information on the Non-indian spouse of Frank Trudell comes from
1: a Trudell descendant in Canada whose family has researched the Trudells in Canada and the United States.
2: the Probate Papers of Frank Trudell,Jr.
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Post by runningwind on Apr 1, 2006 11:41:05 GMT -5
hermin, I am happy to hear this. Could you send me the info that you have that list John Tuttle as Reverend? My grandma Lucy always said this and he had this church across from the cemetery in Hobu Creek near Santee.  Thank you. the information I have is that Isaac Tuttle and his spouse were the parents of Maggie Tuttle. also Rev. John C. Tuttle and Ellen Tuttle also had a daughter Margaret,'Maggie" Tuttle. My information on the Non-indian spouse of Frank Tuttle comes from 1: a Trudell descendant in Canada whose family has researched the Trudells in Canada and the United States. 2: the Probate Papers of Frank Trudell,Jr. |
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Post by marnie on Apr 2, 2006 17:35:03 GMT -5
Hi all,
Does anyone have any more information on Itekagewin? Her name, birthdate, parents, date of the marriage with Frank..............
Thanks
marnie
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 4, 2006 19:20:38 GMT -5
marnie: I don't know who this Ikagewin is. She is not mentioned at all in the genealogy database I received from Canada, nor in Frank Jrs. Probate papers.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 4, 2006 19:24:07 GMT -5
:PWazi, is it possible that this Itekagewin wasn't alloted, or had a different name?
I have also been told that he may have fothered three children by a woman name Hinjiwin: Lucy Trudell, Benjamin? and I believe a son. The first two children only the mother was listed, but with the third, Frank was also listed. All three baptisms are on record in the Santee Agency Baptismal record. Two of the children were born at Santee, and the other was born in Sioux City,IA.
There is no record of Frank marrying this woman either.
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Post by wazi on Apr 6, 2006 16:25:44 GMT -5
the information I have is that Isaac Tuttle and his spouse were the parents of Maggie Tuttle. also Rev. John C. Tuttle and Ellen Tuttle also had a daughter Margaret,'Maggie" Tuttle. My information on the Non-indian spouse of Frank Tuttle comes from 1: a Trudell descendant in Canada whose family has researched the Trudells in Canada and the United States. 2: the Probate Papers of Frank Trudell,Jr.
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Post by wazi on Apr 6, 2006 16:28:09 GMT -5
Hi all, Does anyone have any more information on Itekagewin? Her name, birthdate, parents, date of the marriage with Frank.............. Thanks marnie
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 7, 2006 12:49:48 GMT -5
Wazi: I apologize for my error. I meant that I thought that Maggie Tuttle (wife of Frank Trudell,Jr) may have been a Half-sister, not no his daughter. Now I am really confused.
The 1884 Santee Census lists Isaac Tuttle, a nephew Joseph Taylor aka Hepan Age 15, and Grandmother, Mary Tuttle aka Tunkannahewin Age 62.
The 1887 Census lists Isaac, mother Mary Tuttle, plus cousin Joseph Taylor in the household.
We know that Mary Tuttle( dau. of John C. and Ellen tuttle) married Joseph Henry and they had a son Isaac John henry. Then she married Louis Walker, son of Joseph and Louisa Walker.
Margaret/Maggie Tuttle married a Taylor and they had a son Joseph Taylor before she married Frank Trudell,Jr.
If I read these records right, then Tunkannahewin's first name was Mary.We also know that she would have been Joseph's Grandmother, not Isaac's. We know that Margaret/Maggie Tuttle was Joseph's mother, and the daughter of Mary Tunkannahewin..
How then,could Joseph be Isaac's cousin? If this is so, then all I can infer from this that either Oyeicasnamani also had Tunkannahewin as a spouse(before she married Tateibobdu) and fathered maggie, or Mary Tunkannahewin also went by 'Sbewin. this would make Maggie a half sister to Isaac Tuttle.
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Post by wazi on Apr 8, 2006 23:11:28 GMT -5
HerminI currently believe that Sbuwin was a sister to Maggie Tuttle-Trudell. Mary Tunkannahowin is not John, Isaac or Louise's mother, she is their grandmother. Joseph Taylor and Isaac Tuttle would be first cousins and would both be grand children to Mary. The census records had led me to believe that Mary Tunkannahowin was Sbuwin, however I have Tunkannahowin's probate and it states that her living heirs are Maggie Tuttle-Trudel-daughter. John C. Tuttle-grandson. Ellen Stone-Tuttle-granddaughter in law. Louise Tuttle-Hemans-granddaughter. James Hemans-grandson in law. Isaac Tuttle-grandson. Also John and Ellen's daughter Mary Tuttle's son name was Isaac John Henry not Tuttle and he died in his youth.
wazi
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 8, 2006 23:41:43 GMT -5
thanks again Wazi. Everytime I think have those two women straightened out , I get mixed up again and I have to call you to bail me out. thanks so much for your patience.
yes I forgot that Isaac Joseph Henry died in his youth.
I corrected my blooper on his last name too.
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Post by isantibelieve on Apr 21, 2006 21:33:06 GMT -5
I have a Question about Maggie Tuttle's Father (Tatebobdu) he is on the 1869 Mdewakanton/Santee Census (#9) where did he go from there? Is he on the 1886/1889 census? I don't have the 1886/or1889 census.
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Thank you.
