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Post by deerclan1 on Nov 23, 2005 10:23:13 GMT -5
does anyone have any info on lucy carpenter, born 1836, or her parents, father-WICOSAYATAPI or KING, and mother-MARPIYAODINAJUTOPAWIN or CLOUD THAT STOPS FOUR TIMES or FOUR CLOUD? lucy's mother was listed as 100 years old on the crow creek 1886 census. also any info on lucy's husband HIGH BEAR , aka SKUNK ROBE , born date unknown, but died about 1882. thanks much.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 25, 2005 14:27:38 GMT -5
Ref: Santee Sioux Scouts March 4, 1878 is listed Mahpiya Topadan aka Four Cloud.
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Post by deerclan1 on Nov 27, 2005 10:54:53 GMT -5
lucy had four brothers, all but one killed in battle by 1860 and none were named four cloud. the one that remained was named yellow man, ( he was the second of her brothers named yellow man), he died in 1882. thanks for the info, tho.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 27, 2005 12:08:51 GMT -5
deerclan: Thanks for the information. where did you see the 1886 Crow Creek Census?is there a web site address where one could look at it?
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 27, 2005 12:16:21 GMT -5
deerclan: One place to look would be the Land records for Buffalo County South Dakota. Buffalo County GenWeb may also be of some help to you also(type in Buffalo County SD Gen Web in your Search Engine). I will see what I can find on my end. At this time I don't have any Carpenters in my Cross index, and i don't have any listed in the 1917 McGloughlin Roll.
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Post by sandyh on Dec 2, 2005 10:31:21 GMT -5
deerclan1,
Yellow Man is listed on my Grandmothers probate papers. And his son Jay Carpenter is my Great Grandfather. I have probate papers on Lucy Carpenter as well. The probate papers list her parents, sibs , husbands. You can contact me at any time if you need any of this info. Sandy H.
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Post by deerclan1 on Dec 4, 2005 7:44:51 GMT -5
herman1, the 1886 crow creek census copy i have i got at the bia office in fort thompson. i checked the records office for buffalo county for birth and death records and the only one i found was for lucy's daughter susan...that was where i found the name of her father listed as skunk robe. sandyh, i would like to know any info you have on lucy's parents...i have their names, but nothing else. thanks all for your help.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 4, 2005 16:13:14 GMT -5
deerclan1: would you be able to scan it and send it to me by Email?I will see also what I can find for the Carpenters.
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Post by deerclan1 on Dec 5, 2005 7:18:25 GMT -5
i don't have a scanner but if you want you can email me privately with your address and i'll mail it to you. i would like anything you could find, especially on lucy's parents, WICOSAYATAPI or KING (father) and MARPIYAODINAJUTOPAWIN (mother).
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 5, 2005 11:43:42 GMT -5
Okay deerclan will do.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 6, 2005 1:54:51 GMT -5
deerclan1: I looked high and low at Ancestry.com for the name Skunk Robe,but came up with zilch. there are oodlesof people with last name of Robe, and lots with the surname Skunk, and people with the names of other animals+Robe for their name, but no skunk Robe.
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Post by sara on Dec 6, 2005 7:50:02 GMT -5
Hello,
Manka is skunk in Dakota
Sina is robe in Dakota
Sinamanka - sheena mahnka is I think the way to pronounce it.
Maybe look for it to be spelled very close to that in older records maybe.
Sara
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Post by deerclan1 on Dec 6, 2005 8:43:14 GMT -5
i found him on the 1886 census for crow creek...they wrote it MA-KAN-SI-NA indian name and SKUNK ROBE english name and listed him as 81 years old with his son ISAAC CARPENTER age 24, and that matches the info i had on the son.
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Post by deerclan1 on Dec 6, 2005 8:47:47 GMT -5
note to herman1...apparently there were 4 census' done in 1886, some crow creek and one mixed with lower brule so we are trying to find the one that i copied that page from and copy the whole thing. as soon as i get it i will copy that info i said i'd send.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 6, 2005 14:12:25 GMT -5
deerclan1, thank you. I will see what Ancestry might have on Isaac Carpenter.Per the 1886 census, Isaac would have been born @ 1862.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 11, 2005 3:06:26 GMT -5
deerclan1: I seem to be striking out on your ancestors.
but I did receive that copy of the 1886 Census you sent me by snail mail. I amhoping this will help with my search.
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Post by deerclan1 on Dec 11, 2005 9:38:24 GMT -5
thanks...if you look up on that census i sent you there is a JAY YELLOWMAN, he is also known as JAY CARPENTER the son of YELLOW MAN ( the second son in the family named yellow man). YELLOW MAN is the brother of LUCY CARPENTER and VISIBLE LIGHTNING who is also called EMMA LIGHTNING WOMAN. they are all the children of 4 CLOUD and WICOSAYATAPI or KING. if you would like the other brothers and sisters names, i can list them.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 11, 2005 13:21:22 GMT -5
deerclan1: I tried calling you this morning, but got your answering machine. I got the copyof the 1886 Crow Creek Census you sent yesterday, and used the data on it to go back to ancestry and search again. I will send you what I found by snail mail.There are High Bearks in Dewey County, So. Dakota I also found some TwoCrows(spelled Twocrow) in Shannon County, S.Dakota. I suspect that the TwoCrows( Winnebago Siouxs) originated in Wisconsin, some migrated to South Dakota, someto Nebraska, and others possibly to Minnesota. there are a lot of TwoCrows who originated from Wisconsin, so that would be a place for you to look.I still was not able to find Lucy's sister Elizabeth by her married name,, let alone her madien name,sorry.
Ancestry did not have anything on the Skunk Robe surname. I suggest you search the Earlier Crow Creek Censuses for him.
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Post by dawn on Dec 11, 2005 22:35:02 GMT -5
hermin, can I get a copy of the crow creek census your received?
Dawn
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 11, 2005 22:54:34 GMT -5
I will scan that Crow creeek sheet and send it. It is not the complete census.
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