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Post by hermin1 on Jan 2, 2006 2:13:43 GMT -5
does anyone know what Chief Cloudman's Indian name was?
I searched Google and came up with zilch.
Was there a Chief Blue Cloud/Bluecloud?
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Post by dawn on Jan 2, 2006 10:46:53 GMT -5
Do you know what band he was from. What family is is associated with? I looked through the book of Great Cheifs I have and Cloudmnan or Bluecloud is not listed.
Dawn
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Post by sara on Jan 2, 2006 15:49:04 GMT -5
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Post by sara on Jan 2, 2006 15:51:47 GMT -5
Here is a small mention of him also...
The first organized Christian gathering was at Fort Snelling in 1823. In 1834, missionaries Samuel and Gideon Pond received permission from Major Lawrence Taliaferro, who was the Indian agent at Fort Snelling, to work with a Dakota band that summered next to Lakes Calhoun and Harriet. The Pond brothers worked with chief Cloud Man and his community to teach new farming techniques. In 1834, Jedediah D. Stevens, a missionary from New York, with the assistance of the Pond brothers, erected a school for the young native children near Lake Harriet and had hopes of converting them to Christianity. Work at Lake Harriet was distinctively missionary and never advanced to any form of formal organization. However, Stevens did serve as pastor at the Fort Snelling Presbyterian Church. In 1840, Rev. Samuel Pond became the minister at Fort Snelling; and, in 1849, his brother Gideon reorganized the church and it became known as the Oak Grove Presbyterian Church. In 1862, the name was changed to the First Presbyterian Church of Minnesota and it was located near Nineteenth and Portland. In the meantime, Rev. Gideon Pond had also been holding church services at Colonel John Stevens' home. The two churches merged in 1865 and held services until 1952.
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Post by sara on Jan 2, 2006 15:54:21 GMT -5
Eastman was born in a buffalo hide tipi near Redwood Falls, Minnesota, in the winter of 1858. At birth, he was named “Hakadah”, meaning “the pitiful last,” because he was the last of his three brothers and one sister, and his mother died shortly after his birth. She had been the granddaughter of the Sioux chief Cloud Man and the daughter of Stands Sacred and a well-known army officer, Seth Eastman.
These were still the days of nomadic bands of Plains Indians living in relative isolation from the white settlers who were invading their traditional lands.
In his early youth, he received the name Ohiyesa, meaning "the Winner."
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Post by matoakicita on Jan 3, 2006 18:29:14 GMT -5
a while back at the MSHS i read in one of g. ponds accounts that his name was mahpiyawicasa and he became a farmer and had one of the best corn crops around all because he didn't want his band to go hungry.
before this his men were out hunting and got caught in a blizzard and they had to spend 3 or 4 days under robes out in the plains. while he was laying there he thought to himself the buffalo are disappearing and i will not put my people through these hard winters, he became a christian & farmer.
this is what i remember reading about mahpiya wicasa through gideon ponds writings. i was looking for a clue to see if maybe my relative mahpiya shunka was from his band. this is what i remember.
aho iam matoakicita
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 12, 2006 0:35:13 GMT -5
:)Thanks much everyone for your efforts.
the information I have on Cloudman was that he had 4 brothers. The oldest was killed in a brawl. His other brothers were Fearful Face,Eagle Help, and Paul MazaKaotaman.
Cloudman was associated with the Common Dog village clan. the principle man of the Brush Village clan,was Walking Spirit.cloudman's sister was taken in marriage by a nephew of Walking Spirit.
I found his name , when I was cleaning up my little notebook: Mahpiya Wichastcha.
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 13, 2006 13:50:02 GMT -5
I apologize for a goof: Cloudman's name is Mahpiya Wichashta.
How does this differ from Mahpiya wicakte? Help!!!
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Post by scararm on Jan 17, 2006 22:58:20 GMT -5
Hello my name is Mary Beth and i found a list of Indian homesteaders 1878. When the prisoners were released from Davenport they were taken to santee some of them found there familes and relocated later on the 1870 census of dakota county elkpoint post office list most of these families that moved and they are living in this area. When the prisoners were released they were given english names and Marpiwacasta cloudman name was changed to Philip Weston and there are three other westons listed David Weston (Owancaduta) Robert Weston(Tate Owancamari) Eliza Weston (Tate Ojanjanim) Hope this helps
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Post by peacekeeper on Jan 17, 2006 23:09:30 GMT -5
Hello Scararm. That was a terrific find. I know people have been seeking information on some of those names. Nice work.
Jackie
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 17, 2006 23:13:11 GMT -5
Greetings Mary Beth. Welcome to our web site. thanks so much for the information on Cloudman,etc. I hope you'll come back often.
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Post by peacekeeper on Jan 17, 2006 23:17:48 GMT -5
Marybeth aka Scararm,
Is this list large or is this something that could be put on this site? We would love to see it, if it is possible.
Jackie
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Post by scararm on Jan 18, 2006 0:35:54 GMT -5
Hi Jackie and your welcome The list is 7 pages and iam good at scanning but not good at sending attachments so how about the web site I know there are a lot of men on here that would help out alot. I have the web address http://.flandreau.k12.sd.us/eldersspeak/Web%20Html/Santee_htm/santee_sioux_homesteade... This is whats at the bottom of the pages maybe you can see if it takes you there and you can put the list up let me know if it works
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Post by scararm on Jan 18, 2006 1:10:16 GMT -5
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Post by smyers on Mar 18, 2006 1:14:35 GMT -5
Re: Cloudman's Indian name, is Mahpiyawicasta. There were two Cloudman's. The first helped found the Lake Calhoun village in 1830.
He was Mdewakanton, and my GGgrandfather. He married Canpadutawin, Red Cherry Woman, and they had children Anpetuinajinwin,
who had a child with Lawrence Taliaferro, named Mary.. Another daughter Hanyetukihnayewin married Daniel Lamont, nonIndian,
child Jane LaMont. A son Hupacokamaza, rest unknown. Another daughter Wakinajinwin, married Seth Eastman, child Nancy. Another son John Weston, married Mary, children Elizabeth and Phillip. Finally my Ggrandfather David Weston married Margaret Culbertson, child Amos. Other children from previous marriages: Samuel Weston, Edward Weston, Lizzie and Moses Culbertson.
The other Cloudman was a Wahpeton leader with sons Ecetukiya and Soloman Two Stars.
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Post by smyers on Mar 18, 2006 1:26:13 GMT -5
Correction: Cloudman's third daughter was Wakaninajinwin, Stands Sacred. I spelled it wrong. English name Lucy.
smyers
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Post by debbie on Mar 18, 2006 1:41:20 GMT -5
Hello smyers,
Would you know anything about Margaret Culbertson's parents or if she had a sister named Julia? Daniel Weston(Kinyanhiyaye) married Julia Culbertson(Tateaihdakewin). Julia's parents names were Alexander Culbertson(frenchman) and Mahpiyahezewin. I'm looking for Mahpiyahezewin's english name or anything you might have on her.
Thanks,
Debbie
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Post by smyers on Mar 18, 2006 3:00:39 GMT -5
Debbie,
We know Margaret Culbertson had two(?) sisters, one married into the Lovejoy family. We are not sure the name of their father. We
were told he was Culbertson and French, does Culbertson sound French? There is a book on Alexander Culbertson, Frontier Diplomats by Lesley Wischman, nowhere does it mention having these three daughters in this area. However it does mention his children with with native women out west, but that he was in the Minnesota area in the early 1830's. This Culbertson came from Pennsylvania. You're right her mother's name was Mahpiyahezewin, unknown what english name she took. We are still searching for info Margaret and her father also. Sorry I couldn't help you, will post if we find anything. Bye!
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Post by debbie on Mar 18, 2006 3:08:48 GMT -5
smyers,
Thank you for your quick reply. I have been looking for some time now for Mahpiyahezewin. And the search goes on...lol. If I come across any thing on her I will let you know. Thanks again!
Debbie
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Post by debbie on Mar 18, 2006 3:18:56 GMT -5
smyers,
Stay with me for a min. I remembered something I have. I put it away awhile ago and just remembered...lol. Give me a min to look at this. I'm sure you will be interested.
Debbie
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