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Post by dawn on Nov 14, 2005 6:38:06 GMT -5
I am looking for information on a Cetanwinna. I beleive there are two. The one I am looking for is listed on the 1887 census as the grandmother to Joseph Philbrick. The other one is from Flandreau and is usually referred to as Granny Weston.
The one I am looking for had 3 husbands that I am aware of 1st Ituransia, 2nd Cetankinye and 3rd Wizun. I am looking for information on her. Does anyone know who her parents were? Other husbands etc.
As always, thanks to all for your help.
Dawn
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 14, 2005 10:57:58 GMT -5
Dawn:Funy you should ask about Granny Weston. I have a file ,ref. Flandreau biographies which talks about "The Three Granny Westons:
(1) Centanwinna aka Hannah Weston. she was the squaw of a noted Sioux chieftan. she died in 1888. She is buried at Lynn,MIN.
(2) Granny Weston, the mother of Taylor Weston
(3) Granny Weston aka Tahkonnneheha(Raspberry). she was a colorful character in Flandreau early history. She died in 1898 and is buried in the Indian Cemetery.
do any of the names ring a bell with you? Let me know and I will see what Ican find on them.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 14, 2005 11:13:26 GMT -5
Cetanwinna of Santee, was the mother of Isabella Hopkins, who married thomas Walker. But then you already know this. their son was Joseph Philbrick.
I will check the 1902 and earlier censues I have to see who else she was a parent of.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 14, 2005 15:26:02 GMT -5
Dawn: Isabella Hopkins was also married to james Hopkins(#431 on the 1902 Santee Reg. Ind. Fam.), a ?Johnson, and also John Redbird/Redtribe(REfs. 1884 and 1887 Santee Censues).
Cetanwinna and Huntkatanka were also parents to Lucy Henry. Cetanwinna and Wizun were the parents of Rebecca Philbrick(wife ofRobert Philbrick.
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Post by dawn on Nov 16, 2005 19:07:26 GMT -5
Robert Philbrick also went by the name of Robert Swift Deer.
Dawn
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Post by dawn on Nov 16, 2005 19:10:18 GMT -5
Do you know what reference had Huntkaatanka and Cetawinna as Lucy's parents? I have Lucy's parents as Cetawinna and Cetankinye.
Dawn
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Post by deerclan1 on Nov 20, 2005 17:18:50 GMT -5
i have a question about cetanwinna, that i also have as cetanhotewin. i have her and poor bear as rebecca's parents and clinton philbrick as rebecca's brother. how is it that her brother's last name and her married last name are the same? i have several documents that list them as having the same parents. if any one can help with this i would appreciate it. thanks.
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Post by dawn on Nov 20, 2005 19:44:19 GMT -5
I was told in another post that it was not uncommon for a husband to take the wife's last name.
Also some of the references say that Rebecca and Clinton's father was Poor Bear, but on most of the census records it shows there father as Wizun. When Poorbear died his land went to Rebecca , Clinton and their sister Hannah. If you look at dates/ages it does not appear that Poorbear and Wizun are the same person. The land record that I have is from Crow Creek. Are you researching the Philbrick family? Let me know how you are related to them.
Thanks
Dawn
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Post by deerclan1 on Nov 21, 2005 8:34:38 GMT -5
rebecca and robert philbrick were my boyfriends grgrgrandparents. i have heard of husbands taking the wife's name, but why would rebecca's brother adopt her married name? they are only a couple years apart in age, so it isn't like he was small and she was caring for him. it is just one of the little puzzles in this search!  do you have anything on wizun? i only have one thing on a wizum and it was a land query to the crow creek agency by hannah and owen lovejoy. hannah is rebecca'c half sister by the same father and her mother is hapan...owen is her husband and lovejoy is her married name. the query was about her father's land and there was a hand written note that said it may be listed under 'wizum' but nothing could be found. i would like more info on wizun if you have it or if you could point me in the right direction i would appreciate it. thanks. |
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Post by dawn on Nov 21, 2005 10:52:31 GMT -5
I will dig through what I have and let you know. Could I get a copy of the reference you have that Hannah and Rebecca are half sisters? Clinton was first using the last name of Frenior and then for what ever reason started using the Philbrick last name. Some of the other family memebers used the Philbrick last name also.
Thanks
Dawn
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 21, 2005 16:23:53 GMT -5
Dawn: Scratch that note re. Huntkatanka being father of Lucy Henry. I meant Sophia Henry.I am so sorry.
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Post by deerclan1 on Nov 21, 2005 17:20:44 GMT -5
ok...i have a copy of the affidait of rebecca philbrick attesting to facts about her relationship to poor bear, this having to do with his estate. she stated that she was his daughter after two boys, thomas and william, both dead. she stated that both thomas and william were alloted at santee. they asked her what her mother's name was and she said it was grey hawk woman. she said that thomas and williams mother was hapan and that her and poor bear also had a daughter who was still living named hannah lovejoy. she said that of all the children that poor bear had with cetanhotewin that she ( rebecca), was the oldest and that the other was a brother named clinton philbrick. then she stated that cetanhotewin had two other children , not by poor bear and that their names were isabella walker and lucy ( no last name given ). this was all subscribed and sworn to on 8/19/1911, before horace j. johnson at crow creek, sd. also, she said that thomas, who was alloted at santee, 'died twenty years ago', so that would be about 1891 ? at santee? hope this helps you. also, would rebecca's maiden name been frenior also?
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Post by dawn on Nov 22, 2005 22:33:53 GMT -5
I have always seen Rebecca listed with the last name of Philbrick even before she was married. I beleive she married a Bluestone after Robert died. I will send more information tomorrow.
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Post by wazi on Nov 23, 2005 2:57:17 GMT -5
Artemus Ehanmani was the brother to Jenny and Maggie Frazier. Artemus was very fond of John Frazier and took his name Frazier. So you can find Artemus as Ehanmani and then you can find him as Artemus Frazier. Often time people took others names if they couldn't find one for themselves. Hope that helped u deerclan1 Wazi rebecca and robert philbrick were my boyfriends grgrgrandparents. i have heard of husbands taking the wife's name, but why would rebecca's brother adopt her married name? they are only a couple years apart in age, so it isn't like he was small and she was caring for him. it is just one of the little puzzles in this search! do you have anything on wizun? i only have one thing on a wizum and it was a land query to the crow creek agency by hannah and owen lovejoy. hannah is rebecca'c half sister by the same father and her mother is hapan...owen is her husband and lovejoy is her married name. the query was about her father's land and there was a hand written note that said it may be listed under 'wizum' but nothing could be found. i would like more info on wizun if you have it or if you could point me in the right direction i would appreciate it. thanks. |
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Post by dawn on Nov 23, 2005 7:42:30 GMT -5
deerclan, would you be willing to send me a copy of the land claim you have. I would like to add it to my records.
Thanks
Dawn
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Post by sara on Nov 23, 2005 7:55:23 GMT -5
LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF REBECCA
PHILBRICK (BLUESTONE) UNALLOTTED
LOWER YANKTONAI SIOUX INDIAN.
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IN THE NAME OF GOD, Amen
I, REBECCA PHILBRICK 65 years of age, an unallotted Lower Yanktonai Sioux woman. residing on the Crow Creek Reservation, in the state of South Dakota, being of sound mind, memory and understanding, hereby make and publish this my last Will and Testament, hereby revoking and annulling all Will by me heretofore made, that is to say:
FIRST: I direct that all my just debts and funeral expenses and the expenses of my last illness shall be paid as soon after my decease as shall be convenient.
SECOND: I have no allotment or other lands to which I am heir on this reservation, but I have personal property in the form of money on deposit to my credit in the office of the Superintendent of the Crow Creek Reservation amounting to $1771.82, and an interest in the sale of the allotment of my deceased son Charley Philbrick, Allottee #28, said sale having as yet not been approved by the Department, amounting to $567.00, of these amounts, I give. devise and bequeath to the following named persons, to wit:
To my three grandchildren, Elvirah, Adah Irene and Robert G. Philbrick, 14, 10 and 8 years of age, respectively, I give, devise and bequeath $100.00 each, said money to be deposited to their credit by the Superintendent of the Crow Creek agency and to be paid to them by him for their benefit.
To Rebecca Philbrick, my granddaughter, and daughter of my son Ernest Philbrick, 7 years of age, I give, devise and bequeath the sum of $600.00, said amount to be expended for her benefit in the erection of a house on her allotment as she has no home and it is my desire that she has a home when she grows up, also $100.00 to be deposited by the Superintendent of the Crow Creek agency for her use to her credit and under his supervision.
To my granddaughter, Edith Philbrick, daughter if my son Ernest Philbrick, 4 years of age, I give, devise and bequeath the sum of $100.00.00, said amount to be deposited to her credit by the Superintendent of the Crow Creek agency, and expended by him for her benefit.
To my granddaughter, Annie Philbrick. daughter of my son Ernest Philbrick, 2 years of age, I give, devise and bequeath the sum of $100.00, said amount to be deposited to her credit by the Superintendent of the Crow Creek agency, and expended by him for her benefit.
The balance of the money which I now have on deposit and of which I may be possessed of after my decease, I give, devise and bequeath to my daughters Mrs. James Rencountre, of the Lower Brule Reservation and Mrs. Mary Like Him of this reservation, said money to be divided between them in equal shares.
To rny son Ernest Philbrick, I give, devise and bequeath my entire subscription in Liberty Bonds, amounting to $200.00, also my three head of horses, wagon and harness.
All of my other property, both real and personal and not mentioned herein, which I now or may here- after be possessed of, I desire to be distributed equally between my two above named daughters and my onlv living son Ernest Philbrick.
AND LASTLY: I am satisfied that the officers of the Department of the Interior of the United States will make proper provision for carrying into affect of this my last will and testament, and therefore, I have not appointed an executor to administer my estate.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF: I have set my hand and seal to this my last Will and Testament at the Crow Creek agency hospital located on the Crow Creek Reservation in the state of South Dakota, this 17th day of December, 1919.
REBECCA PHILBRICK Her (thumb print) Mark
Witness to Mark.
Dinah Rencountre Clerk. Crow Creek. SD
Robert E. Philbrick Crow Creek. SD
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Post by deerclan1 on Nov 23, 2005 8:28:30 GMT -5
wazi - thanks...stuff like that gets so frustrating when you are trying to find things that happened so many years ago. dawn: i would be happy to send you a copy if you would give me your address. also i would appreciate anything you could find on cetanhotewin...i have her as being from redwood falls, mn., but don't know how to get a birth or baptismal. she is supposed to be buried at lower brule but i cannot find her grave. possibly she remarried after poor bear or they buried her using a white name. if anybody out there is from brulee maybe you could tell me where the church records are located...i would appreciate the help! thanks again, all.
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Post by dawn on Nov 23, 2005 10:39:56 GMT -5
Deerclan, I have been working with a member of the Philbrick family that has alot of information on the family. I will get in touch with her too. I don't think we have been able to get a baptismal certificate on her yet. They are from the Crow Creek area and not live in Arizona. From what I have seen you are mostly interested in Rebecca and Robert and their family right? Give me your address so I can put somethings together to send you.
My address is Dawn Henry
809 N. Wayland
Sioux Falls SD 57103
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Post by deerclan1 on Nov 23, 2005 11:37:56 GMT -5
thanks...i will make some copies and send you some stuff. also, do you have anything on robert swift deer philbrick's parents? i have his father as itoyohi brown war hair, and nothing for his mother. i will send you those docs as soon as i can get to a copier!
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Post by dawn on Nov 23, 2005 20:43:29 GMT -5
I do not have a listing for his mother only his father and it is the same as what you have. I have he was born 1847 in Sans Arc Band Teton Tribe, Sioux Nation Dakota Territory. He died 1901 in Crow Creek. He was Buried in Presbyterian Cemetery.
I have their children listed as George, Winona or Dinah, Mary, Johnson, Charles, Gilbert, Robert Ernest and a baby girl Philbrick.
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do you have anything on wizun? i only have one thing on a wizum and it was a land query to the crow creek agency by hannah and owen lovejoy. hannah is rebecca'c half sister by the same father and her mother is hapan...owen is her husband and lovejoy is her married name. the query was about her father's land and there was a hand written note that said it may be listed under 'wizum' but nothing could be found. i would like more info on wizun if you have it or if you could point me in the right direction i would appreciate it. thanks.