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Post by Jimmy on Jul 13, 2007 16:17:48 GMT -5
I am very confused as to the various Sioux Reservations that have existed in Minnesota.
I know today that there are 4 - Upper Sioux, Lower Sioux, Shakopee-Mdewakanton, and Prairie Island.
But I am confused as to Pipestone Agency and the Birch Cooley Agency. Were these separate reservations? Were they part of the one of the 4 mentioned above?
I have also heard mention of the Mdewakanton Reservation. Is this a separate reservation that doesn't exist today?
Can somebody set me straight on the different Sioux Reservations that have existed in Minnesota over the years?
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Post by peacekeeper on Jul 13, 2007 20:33:17 GMT -5
www.kstrom.net/isk/maps/mn/treaties.htmlJimmy check this out. It should help answer your question. I believe all of the treaties and reservations are listed. I know Birch Cooley and Pipestone Agencies existed after the Uprising. Anyway look and see what you think. Jackie
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 13, 2007 22:24:20 GMT -5
Jimmy , you can also log on to www.accessgenealogy.com and they have a very good Native American Genealogy section. the main lik is on the side of the home page. You have to scroll down and when you find the link, and select it, you will need to go to the left o side of th epage that opens to find what you are looking for. MY understanding is that some of the Indian Reservations are "Open", and some of them are "closed", and I don't know wht the terms meanin re. to them. I am not sure but fo recall, that back before the Uprising, there was the Upper Sioux Agency, Lower Sioux agency, but whether you could term tehm a reservation is questionable. For the present, you can tyope Indian Reservtions Minnesota, and this should bring up some websites that tell you the nam,es and locations of them. , Agency, and
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Post by sav on Jul 14, 2007 11:47:22 GMT -5
There was also "Winnebago", &/or "Omaha" reservations in Minnesota before 1900. Which is why it's not surprising many Sioux families are found in those nations as well, & vice versa.
Also, near or around Winona, MN. There was a "Mixed Blood" reservation/tract. Which in my opinion should be considered for return to the LDs, as part of the Wolfchild Settlement.
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Post by jazzdog on Jul 16, 2007 2:39:54 GMT -5
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You are correct in your statement about the "reservation" that was established by the US government following the 1837 and 1851 Traverse de Sioux treaties. If you recall history of the areas during those times, the treaties that were signed, specifically ceded certain lands by disignation, but reserved the residual or remaining lands for the benefit of the whole of the people, as a whole, both individually and collectively. Although the grant of a certain land parcel to the "Half Breeds and Mixed Bloods" theoretically, allowed the government to declare a certain parcel, that land was already in control of the the Mdewakanton Dakota Sioux prior to the government's declaration that a separate "Half Breed" area be established in 1851 or soon thereafter. If you look at maps from that time, and look at the historical documents that resulted from this manuever of the US government, you will find that a "Half Breed Tract" was established in 1851 or 1852, whereby, the US specifically established an area of land in present day Wabasha County, including much of the city of Wabasha, that was set aside, specifically for the supposed "half breeds " that existed at the time, so that those individuals and families might claim specific title and possession of certain or some parcels of land within that boundary of the "Half Breed Line". However, when you study the history of the entries during that time, you will see that many applied for 80 or 160 acre parcels under the precepts of the government's presciption, however, many or most of those parcels were either never assigned, approved or resumed, as was supposedly intended by the legisilature at the time, to attempt to alleviate some of the terrible deprivation of land and living that did occur, later. I have a map of the half breed reservation.......that territory was never specifically ceded or reliquished to my knowledge, but I planned on researching that issue. Look closely at your anscestors' records from 1837 through 1861 to determine what lands they possessed or were promised, and we can all share some significant information that is much needed to discover the real truth. Remember that the history of those long past events has been written mostly by nonIndian, somewhat presentday individuals. Where Native American writers have touched upon it, they have been reluctant to go the distance. I am going to go the distance. But , I wanted you to know so that you could start you own search on these important issues that deserve the focus. your friend
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Post by sav on Jul 16, 2007 12:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by sav on Jul 16, 2007 12:33:54 GMT -5
According to that info, this land is still ours! Us natives are just not occupying it. As many of the mixed bloods, basically, just left to reside on the 1886/1889 lands. & are rarely seen around here anymore.
The article gives a brief description of where this land is located. & I found it very interesting, where it mentions "The Barn". Well that would be none other than "Barn's Bluff" in Red Wing, MN. Most likely. & I'm no more than a mile away from it! & it's not very far from Prairie Island, MN. I initially thought this Mixed Blood tract was located farther in the SouthEastern MN area.
I'm open, & supportive of any group organization interested in the repossession of our Mixed Blood land, which is still legally ours. To avoid, Falsehood, & Obstructions. We need to first have a dedicated research group on this.
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Post by preeves6 on Jul 16, 2007 15:33:24 GMT -5
Sav , No I have not read that book , but I do have copies of the other two . I also made a few calls to see if one of my relatives had a copy or had read that book and they hadn't . I may have to buy that book . I also don't live that far from Red Wing , so let me know if you don't make it there this week and I will go there next week. Can't this week as I have my grandson's graduation to prepare for. Patty
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Post by sav on Jul 16, 2007 18:57:56 GMT -5
I found this map, & it says the following bout the Sioux Half-Breed Tract. "Set-Aside For Sioux Half-Breeds, But Unoccupied; U.S. Purchased It Later." So now, I would like to see this proof of purchase, & to whom of Sioux, the money went to. www.rb-29.net/graa/wowork/exhibit/chart3.html
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Post by wanbligi on Jul 17, 2007 11:43:44 GMT -5
I am very confused as to the various Sioux Reservations that have existed in Minnesota. I know today that there are 4 - Upper Sioux, Lower Sioux, Shakopee-Mdewakanton, and Prairie Island. But I am confused as to Pipestone Agency and the Birch Cooley Agency. Were these separate reservations? Were they part of the one of the 4 mentioned above? I have also heard mention of the Mdewakanton Reservation. Is this a separate reservation that doesn't exist today? Can somebody set me straight on the different Sioux Reservations that have existed in Minnesota over the years? Jimmy: Look at this and see if it answers some of your questions. www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/siouan/dakotadivisions.htm
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Post by legalone on Jul 18, 2007 0:04:11 GMT -5
Jazz Dog Were the people listed on the Nemaha Half Breed Allotment List part of this group that you are referring to? Legalone Sav You are correct in your statement about the "reservation" that was established by the US government following the 1837 and 1851 Traverse de Sioux treaties. If you recall history of the areas during those times, the treaties that were signed, specifically ceded certain lands by disignation, but reserved the residual or remaining lands for the benefit of the whole of the people, as a whole, both individually and collectively. Although the grant of a certain land parcel to the "Half Breeds and Mixed Bloods" theoretically, allowed the government to declare a certain parcel, that land was already in control of the the Mdewakanton Dakota Sioux prior to the government's declaration that a separate "Half Breed" area be established in 1851 or soon thereafter. If you look at maps from that time, and look at the historical documents that resulted from this manuever of the US government, you will find that a "Half Breed Tract" was established in 1851 or 1852, whereby, the US specifically established an area of land in present day Wabasha County, including much of the city of Wabasha, that was set aside, specifically for the supposed "half breeds " that existed at the time, so that those individuals and families might claim specific title and possession of certain or some parcels of land within that boundary of the "Half Breed Line". However, when you study the history of the entries during that time, you will see that many applied for 80 or 160 acre parcels under the precepts of the government's presciption, however, many or most of those parcels were either never assigned, approved or resumed, as was supposedly intended by the legisilature at the time, to attempt to alleviate some of the terrible deprivation of land and living that did occur, later. I have a map of the half breed reservation.......that territory was never specifically ceded or reliquished to my knowledge, but I planned on researching that issue. Look closely at your anscestors' records from 1837 through 1861 to determine what lands they possessed or were promised, and we can all share some significant information that is much needed to discover the real truth. Remember that the history of those long past events has been written mostly by nonIndian, somewhat presentday individuals. Where Native American writers have touched upon it, they have been reluctant to go the distance. I am going to go the distance. But , I wanted you to know so that you could start you own search on these important issues that deserve the focus. your friend Jazzdog
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 18, 2007 0:18:11 GMT -5
The Nemaha Half-Breed Reservation is a completely different thing (as far as I know). What Jazzdog is referring to is the Lake Pepin "reservation" of Minnesota.
Nemaha was not exclusively for Sioux half-breeds, and infact I think most weren't Sioux. Almost all the Sioux that were there were Yankton.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 18, 2007 0:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by sav on Jul 18, 2007 18:42:08 GMT -5
The Nemaha Half-Breed Reservation is a completely different thing (as far as I know). What Jazzdog is referring to is the Lake Pepin "reservation" of Minnesota. Nemaha was not exclusively for Sioux half-breeds, and infact I think most weren't Sioux. Almost all the Sioux that were there were Yankton. The Nemaha Half-Breed Reservation allotment list appears to be located in Nebraska state, not Minnesota. Sav
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 18, 2007 19:10:09 GMT -5
The Nemaha Half-Breed Reservation is a completely different thing (as far as I know). What Jazzdog is referring to is the Lake Pepin "reservation" of Minnesota. Nemaha was not exclusively for Sioux half-breeds, and infact I think most weren't Sioux. Almost all the Sioux that were there were Yankton. The Nemaha Half-Breed Reservation allotment list appears to be located in Nebraska state, not Minnesota. Sav Yes, it was in the southeast corner of Nebraska, what is today Richardson county and Nemaha county.
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