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Post by wanbligi on Jul 13, 2007 13:36:10 GMT -5
Translation for John Colomb Sr.: Wah shi choo Hou shah = Wasicu = White man Hou = leg shah = red = red leg or red legs SOURCE: 1989 English-Lakota Dictionary By: Sidney Keith Copyright@1989 Attn: Jimmy I also looked at the shah and think it looks more like skah. So here is my latest version: Wasicu = White man Hou or Hu= leg skah = white Could be translated as: White man with white leg(s)
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 13, 2007 14:03:42 GMT -5
So do you think he was in desparate need of a tan, or just wore white pants? Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 13, 2007 23:15:24 GMT -5
I looked at it too. I am thinking that the census taker spelled the names as he heard the name pronounced.
The first and second syllables I thought could be Wanske followed by Non( or Hou or Hon), then lastly- ska,
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 13, 2007 23:28:03 GMT -5
i just got another idea: How about Wasicu Hanska Tall white man.
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Post by jazzdog on Jul 14, 2007 3:16:13 GMT -5
It seems to me, after looking at so many of the old, historical documents that can and are found, that there were many mistakes made in the recording of the information. An example would be, if, an individual Dakota Sioux person were to show up at the time of a particular census or roll taking event, that the person taking the information, all set out to write the information down as each person comes forward to the point of the assigned recorder's table or position, that the individual Native American person presenting themselves, were asked to give their name.......the person would likely speak directly to the record taker at the time or would be asked to sign or "x" their name on the document, if that were required, which we now know, did not always require individual signatures or confirmation. The recordtaker would likely ask the person, who they were, where they lived or came from, what property they held if any, their age, the place of birth, their family background maybe...or their children, and their names if requested. Obviously no formal ID would be required, because most of the same did not exist in the years from 1800 through 1900..... the person may or may not have had the ability to speak English, and may have only been able to speak in their own native tribal tongue. The mere fact alone that the alleged signors that were lucky enough to be present at the designated censustaking places on those given dates, may not have been able to bring their whole families to the site of the census, or, additionally, been able to effectively communicate clearly to the recordtaker at that time, undoubtedly, resulted in some inaccurate, incomplete and sometimes totally, wrongful recordation of those communicated informational facts, to the recordtaker from the presentee, that there was logically, many mistakes, incomplete, inaccurate, and different, information, that was recorded on the government documents that all of us have seen and examined since then. We all know that mistakes were made on names, spelling of names, ages, locations, family information, etc......at the time that these old time recordtakers would have taken the original information was taken down by the recordtakers during those times. We must also remember and fathom, reasonably, that many that were rightfully deserving to be included on these various important censuses and lists, when the alloted and planned times for presenting yourself at such places if you had recieved and recognized such notices to do so, may not have been able to safely or legistically, been able to travel to, without getting killed or otherwise, the site of the accumulation of the names. We all know that there were many people and anscestors that were in fact, for whatever reason, not able to be physically present at the census or list events that occurred, at that particular time, in order to have their own individual names and those of their families, to be taken down by the recordkeeper, at those critical times when these lists were made. Remember that once the Dakota were arrested, imprisoned, and potentially dispured throughout the less dangerous lands, the people were aware, frightened, displaced, confused and lost, as to where they would go, be sent, or where they may end up.
It is my belief that many rightfully deserving lineal descendants were purposefully displaced from the newly formed state of Minnesota, to other parts of the lands, and therefore, with the state of affairs in Minnesota in those years following the uprising in 1862, with the statesponsered "bounty" that was placed upon the Dakota Sioux lives in those years following the 1862 uprising, and the subsequent 1863 Act alleged abrogating all previous and existing treaties with the Dakota Sioux, that many, many rightfully deserving Dakota Sioux beneficiaries that had lost so much in land and livlihood because of the government's total and sweeping position of removing all Sioux, whether they be loyal or not in 1863, these deprived individuals and their families and heirs, may have never had the chance to be rightfully documented on the 1886 or 1889 census lists. If you honestly consider the times and the reality of the dangerous environment that existed in Minnesota during the twenty years following the uprising, it can be reasonably deduced that many of the true lineal descendants of the loyal Mdewakanton were either unable physically to be present in Minnesota in 1886 or 1889, to be recorded on those lists, or they came on their own, or with only a part of their families due to the terribly dangerous conditions for the Sioux during that time in Minnesota. These are just some logical thoughts that I know many now share when we look at the prospect of discovering the true events that occurred and the truth of rightful consideration. I hope these thoughts and propositions may help or ring true with some of the searching families now. take care of yourselves
Jazzdog
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Post by wanbligi on Jul 14, 2007 17:53:16 GMT -5
i just got another idea: How about Wasicu Hanska Tall white man. I looked at it again, but check it out for yourselves. The writing of the word Hou still comes up to me as Hou. Take a look at some of the other Indian names that have a letter u in them and you may see the consistency of the letter u as written. The word to me still comes up as Hou or Hu = leg.
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Post by zimin0902 on Sept 17, 2007 2:57:01 GMT -5
China post again removed links from it
denney
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Post by hermin1 on Sept 20, 2007 21:57:46 GMT -5
kai ti einai etouto to hazomara pou mas estiles? then kseris na grapsis se eglesika?
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Post by ASDF on Sept 21, 2007 2:12:18 GMT -5
Removed china links within this post ..
denney
and if you can read engish Mr. spammer from china stop your little garbage links we here dont need them and your really only showing how trashy you are.
denney
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