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Post by Jimmy on Dec 8, 2006 1:21:59 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me the difference between the Yankton and Yanktonai tribes? I'm still confused about that.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 12, 2006 2:02:01 GMT -5
You got me by the old tail. I thought they meant the same thing. It is like the sissetons were once called the Sissetonwans, and the Wahpekutes were called the Wahpekutewans.
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Post by BIG JON on Dec 13, 2006 12:26:23 GMT -5
You got me by the old tail. I thought they meant the same thing. It is like the sissetons were once called the Sissetonwans, and the Wahpekutes were called the Wahpekutewans.
WAHPEKUTE-- WAHPE-LEAVES...KUTE-SHOOTS...WANKA-(SUFFIX)-TO LIE DOWN SHOOTS LEAVES BAND
SISSETONWAN--(EARLY ACCOUNT SUGGEST SISIN=HOGANMNA(HOGAN-FISH:FISH CUTTINGS, OR SICAMNA-BAD CUTTINGS)(ALSO SUGGESTS THAT SISSETON LIVED ON FISH) SISIN-FISH BONES(PUTRID)...HOGANMNA...HOGAN-FISH MNA(YUMNA)-CUTTINGS...TON-TO BE BORN...WANKA-(SUFFIX)-TO LIE DOWN FISH CUTTINGS BAND
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Post by BIG JON on Dec 13, 2006 12:27:55 GMT -5
Operating under the name Upper Missouri Agency in 1861, the agency was renamed Crow Creek Agency in 1874.
By 1871 the agency was located at Soldier Creek on the east bank of the Missouri River, about eight miles from present day Crow Creek.
The Lower Yanktonai were settled at Crow Creek Agency after the treaty of 1859 ceded all lands of the Yankton and Yanktonais to the federal government, a result of the Spirit Lake massacre.
--MANY YANKTONAI WERE STILL ROAMING THE NORTHERN PLAINS SEARCHING FOR THE LAST BUFFALO AT THIS TIME-BUFFALO GONE BY 1876!
After the 1862 uprising in Minnesota, members of the Lower Agency Mdewakanton and Wahpekute bands of Santee and Winnebago Indians were moved to Crow Creek.
The Winnebagos were removed to the Omaha reservation in Nebraska in 1865.
--THE WINNEBAGO LEFT!
In 1866, after the arrival of several hundred Lower Yanktonai, Sicangu(BURNT THIGHS), and Oohenunpa(TWO KETTLE), the Santee were removed to a separate reservation in Nebraska.
--THE SANTEE(AND WAHPEKUTE) LEFT!-SANTEE NB.
The following year, the Sicangu and Oohenunpa settled on the west bank of the Missouri River across from the Crow Creek Agency at Lower Brule Agency.
--BURNT THIGHS AND TWO KETTLE LEFT!-LOWER BRULE
Drifting Goose, leader of the Hunkpati band of Yanktonai, is remembered for refusing to sign the 1859 treaty.
He was proud of the fact that he "signed nothing" and gave up "nothing." His scare tactics against non-Indians forced President Rutherford B. Hayes to set aside a 65,000-acre reservation along the James River for his Hunkpati band.
--JAMES RIVER RESERVATION WAS STARTED FOR YANKTONAI BUT ABANDONED FOR CROW CREEK
A year later, in 1880, Drifting Goose and his people gave up their reservation and settled at Crow Creek Agency.
--YANKTONAI STILL LIVING IN CROW CREEK TO THIS DAY...FEW SANTEES, WINNEBAGOES, WAHPEKUTE, BURNT THIGHS, TWO KETTLE LEFT
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WHEN THEY LEFT MINNESOTA, THE 'BANDS' WERE LEFT IN TURMOIL....MANY BRINGING IN INDIANS FROM OTHER BANDS(TRIBES)...AS BROTHERS...THE GOVERNMENT WOULD LIKE US TO THINK THAT THERE WERE SEPARATE BANDS...AND TREATIES COVERED ALL OF THEM...THE TRUTH IS THE GOVERNMENT IS NAMING US IN ORDER TO SEPARATE AND CONQUOR(I.E.-- WE DON'T HAVE TO FEED THOSE INDIANS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TREATY!--OUTRAGEOUS!!)
Mitakuye Oyasin---WE ARE ALL RELATED!!...ITS TRUE!
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--NOT ALL BANDS SURRENDERED...YANKTONAI BANDS ROAMED THE PLAINS 'TILL THE BATTLE OF LITTLE BIG HORN-1876-SOME PARTICIPATED ALONG WITH INKPADUTA...
SOME SURRENDERED AT:
FT PECK N.D....
FT WADSWORTH--11/2/64 SCARLET PLUME, RATTLING MOCCASIN, UNIFORM, LIGHT FACE, SWEET CORN, WASUKIYE, AND YANKTONAI CHIEF MDOKA (BUCK)(MEAT NECKLACE OR BONE NECKLACE) SURRENDERED---THESE FACTIONS WERE FORCED TO FIGHT THE BLANKET INDIANS AS SCOUTS(BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER)--TWO STARS KILLED HIS OWN NEPHEW--BY 1865 MORE YANKTONAIS SURRENDER-BIG HEAD AND BLACK CATFISH--THEY ALL STARVED!
FT. BERTHOLD N.D...
TURTLE MOUNTAIN N.D.....
DEVILS LAKE...1867--STARVATION--LIVING ON HORSES, RABBITS AND FISH, ROSEBUDS AND IVY VINE-80 DIE OF STARVATION(WAANATAN SURRENDERED-1868)(W/WAHPETON AND AND SISSETON)
CHEYENNE RIVER...
STANDING ROCK...
AND ROAMED RIGHT ON INTO CANADA(OAK RIVER OR LAKE -NEAR GRISWOLD MANITOBA)(1874)
THE YANKTONNAIS WERE ALWAYS BITTER THAT THEY WERE LEFT OUT OF THE 1851 SISSETON TREATY(WHERE THE SISSETONS WERE NOT PAID TILL THEY CAPTURED INKPADUTA AND BROUGHT HIM IN)
CROW CREEK IS KNOWN AS LOWER YANKTONAI SIOUX TO THIS DAY..
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Post by lois121486 on Dec 13, 2006 23:10:10 GMT -5
I recently discovered my grt. grt. grandfather's name was Sihahanska or Long Foot who was married to Cekpawin whom together they had five children: Sutahena or Sutahedan, Sophia Shaker or Tatiyopawastewin, Tukiska or White Shell, James Long or Dowanhiyayena and Wayagiyotankewin. According to an history article I read he was a Yankton Sioux. If there is anyone that has any information please respond. Thanks in advance.
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Post by tamara on Dec 14, 2006 14:32:37 GMT -5
I recently discovered my grt. grt. grandfather's name was Sihahanska or Long Foot who was married to Cekpawin whom together they had five children: Sutahena or Sutahedan, Sophia Shaker or Tatiyopawastewin, Tukiska or White Shell, James Long or Dowanhiyayena and Wayagiyotankewin. According to an history article I read he was a Yankton Sioux. If there is anyone that has any information please respond. Thanks in advance. Often it is hard to sort out if a man were considered yankton before 1862 or if he were labelled Yankton as that was the area or tribe he wound up residing in. I would suggest that you search the online files at Wigleys of mendota and see if you can see him in the Mdewakanton census rolls. Tamara
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Post by BIG JON on Dec 15, 2006 13:59:05 GMT -5
I WRITE IN CAPITALS...JON
On your post of Nov 11 you listed the census. In OWANCADUTA Band you have at #3 MARIPYAHDINAJIN. This is the name we have as the wife of PAZA (earlier he is always listed in Taopi band). She is the mother of Lucy (OHANOTAWIN) Carpenter, and her sister Emma WAKANHDITANINWIN) Tompkins who were at Crow Creek in the 1870's (according to superintendent's report).
Vicky's reply of Nov 19 said that MARIPYAHDINAJIN HAD 1-2-2=5? My Question: Could this MARIPYAHDINAJIN be a woman? If her husband PAZA had died would/could she be a member of this band?
and why is TAOPI listed in the first group? ---NOT SURE WHAT THIS QUESTION REFERS TO...JON
I've not found ANY information of MARPIYAHDINAJIN until she showed up at Crow Creek census of 1886 then she died in 1887 and PAZA is just a name that appears occasionally on a list or two as a member of TAOPI's band.
ACTUALLY THE NAME IS MARPIYA OKDI-NAJIN-TOPA-WIN...I DO NOT THINK THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE...THERE ARE A BUNCH OF MARPIYA-NAJINS AROUND(STANDING CLOUD)---MY OPINION--JON
ONE OF THE FIRST LISTINGS ON THE CROW CREEK BAPTISM IS THOMAS WAGIHUNKA(3/28/1875)---THIS IS YELLOWMAN(2)...LUCY AND EMMA'S BROTHER...SO WE CAN ASSUME THEY WERE AT CROW CREEK BY 1875...PAZA-AMANI AND MARPIYA OKDINAJINTOPAWIN ARE PARENTS...
EDWARD ASHLEY(ONE EAR) IS LISTED NEXT...SON OF BLACK DOG...BORN NEAR BISMARK...ON THE NEXT PAGE IS WILLIAM CARPENTER-RONDEAU-35 YRS.
On Lucy's probate he is listed as WICOSAYATAPI or KING. (First we knew him as PAZA-AMANI or PAZA was on the 1876 baptism of MARPIYAHDINAJIN as her husband and the father of Lucy and Emma.
I HONESTLY THINK THIS WAS HIS TITLE...WICOSAYATAPI MEANS LITERALLY..(ATAPI) KING OF... WICA(MAN)...YATA(TO SPEAK)...THE CHIEF SPEAKER...AND I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT HIS NAME WAS EVER KING(BUT I COULD BE WRONG)...I DO BELIEVE THAT HE WENT BY ANOTHER NAME THOUGH...PAZA-AMANI
I HAVE SEEN A PAZA-KUTE-AMANI(WALKING AND SHOOTING ON GRASS?).....WHATS THE CHANCES OF THEM DROPPING THE KUTE(SHOOTS) AFTER THE UPRISING TO PAZA-AMANI(GRASS WALKER)...I THINK HE WAS A WICOSAYATAPI(KING)...
AND A MAZA-AMANI---IRON WALKER(WICOSAYATAPI?)
HOW ABOUT MAZA-KUTE-AMANI...WALKING AND SHOOTING IRON(WICOSAYATAPI?)
He had to have been born late 1700's but evidently was a very quiet person.
THIS TELLS ME THAT HIS RECORDS COULD BE IN WISCONSIN(1845) OR EVEN MICHIGAN(1830)...POSSIBLY EVEN LOUISIANA(1800)!....MINNESOTA WAS WISCONSIN BEFORE 1845....AND MICHIGAN A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT!...AND LOUISIANA PURCHASE BEFORE THAT!!...AND I HAVE MARPIYA AS BORN BETWEEN 1780 AND 1820...OR NO RECORDS AT ALL!
I'm sure hoping that this MARPIYAHDINAJIN could be a woman and is the one I'm seeking. Thanks for your help......Donna Kentch
I DON'T KNOW...AND I'M ACTUALLY SEARCHING IN A DIFFERENT PLACE...I'M TRACKING OUR GUYS AS IF THEY WEREN'T ROUNDED UP IN MINNESOTA, BUT INSTEAD FLED THE UPRISING BY WAY OF THE PLAINS...JUST A DIFFERENT ROUTE...NOBODY KNOWS HOW THEY GOT TO SOUTH DAKOTA YET...
AND YOU HAVE TO TRY TO FIND MORE THAN ONE REFERENCE POINT...WHAT I MEAN IS THIS...IF THERE IS A NAME LISTED SOMEWHERE, DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER RECOGNIZEABLE NAME NEARBY?...LIKE I AM FINDING MCBRIDES ALL LISTED IN SANTEE, BUT THERE ARE SOME ALSO AT STANDING ROCK...IF JOHN C. MCBRIDE WORKED THE RIVERBOAT AND ESTABLISHED FT BERTHOLD(WHERE HE MET TATECOYAGMAWIN(SUSAN TATE)...HOW DID ALL THE MCBRIDES GET TO YANKTON?(MAYBE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET BACK TOGETHER WITH THEIR FAMILY, OR BAND--WERE THEY YANKTON?)
AND LeRondeau...I SEE LERONDEAU LISTED AT FT. THOMPSON, WHERE ELSE ARE LERONDEAUS?---SANTEE WAY?...I SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE LERONDEAU NAME IN MINNESOTA LISTED WITH THE VOYAGEURS!...
MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE CARPENTERS LISTED ON THE CROW CREEK CENSUS ARE DEFINITELY RELATED TO WILLIAM LERONDEAU CARPENTER...THEY MIGHT BE LISTED AS H=HALFBREED, BUT THEY ARE INDIANS!(THERE ARE NOT ANY WHITES LISTED ON THIS CENSUS)...AND THEY ARE ALSO RELATED TO HIGH BEAR...CHECK THE VICINITY OF THOSE NAMES TO OUR KNOWN FAMILY MEMBERS AND I THINK YOU WILL AGREE...
JAMES CARPENTER NEAR LUCY...JOSEPH AND FRANK CARPENTER...
BUT THEY DISAPPEAR!!!...WHERE DID THEY GO?...UPRIVER OR DOWN?
AND I DID FIND A CARPENTER FAMILY NEAR BIG STONE LAKE IN AN EARLY MINNESOTA CENSUS(HE WAS ALSO MARRIED TO A DAKOTA-WIN)....COULD BE RELATED?...MAYBE
ANOTHER LEAD I HAVE IS THAT ROSE CARPENTER RECIEVED AS INHERITANCE SOME LAND IN STANDING ROCK REZ...THAT TO ME SUGGESTS THAT SKUNK ROBE(JACOB MAKAHAIN?) CAME FROM THERE...I GOT HIS NAME AS JACOB MAKAHAIN FROM THE FIRST BOOK OF CROW CREEK BAPTISM RECORDS...WITH EMMA AS A WITNESS...I HAVE THE FIRST BOOK AND NEED TO HAVE THE OTHER 5 BOOKS FOR FURTHER RESEARCH...
SKUNK ROBE WAS DEFINITELY A CHIEF(OR HEADSMAN OF HIGH STANDING)...IF PAZA-AMANI GAVE HIM HIS DAUGHTERS- WINONA(ELIZABETH WAGIHUNKA)...AND LUCY(OHANOTAWIN)...THERE WAS A REASON...CHIEFS GAVE CHIEFS THEIR DAUGHTERS...AND SINCE NO TWO WOMEN GOT ALONG BETTER THAN SISTERS, HE WOULD HAVE BOTH...
AND I JUST FOUND PAUL CARPENTER LISTED AS MATOWAKANTUYA!!! IN THE BAPTISM RECORDS...I DID NOT KNOW WHERE I SAW THIS LISTED...FOUND IT!...AND HES ALSO LISTED ON THE CROW CREEK ROLLS AS MATOWAKANTUYA!!!...I KNEW HE WAS A HOLY HIGH BEAR!...
THE LISTING IS FOR MARIA TACANKUWAKANWIN(HER HOLY ROAD)...FATHER CINYEYAPI(GOOD OLDER BROTHER)-CAPT. U.S. INDIAN POLICE...MOTHER -TIPIDUTAWIN(RED HOUSE WOMAN)
I JUST FOUND OUT THAT CINYEYAPI=ANTOINE RONDELL!!!!--HE MUST BE CAPTAIN OF THE U.S. INDIAN POLICE(WATCH OUT!, THESE ARE GOOD LEADS!!)...AND WILLIAM LERONDEAU-CARPENTER WAS THE CHIEF OF POLICE AT CROW CREEK!!(THE PIECES ARE ALL FALLING TOGETHER NOW)...AND WHAT ABOUT THAT PICTURE OF YELLOWMAN THE COP!!(COULD IT BE YELLOWMAN (3)-JAY CARPENTER?)
THIS IS A GREAT ONE--ISAAC HIRIRINAN--FATHER-JACOB MAKAHAIN(FIRST MENTION OF HIS NAME!!!)...MOTHER WINONA...THIS IS MA-KA-HA-IN(SKUNK ROBE)...MOTHER -WINONA(ELIZABETH WAGIHUNKA-LUCYS SISTER!)...WITNESSES ARE PAUL HIGH BEAR, MARK DOGBACK(SUNKA-CANKOHAN), AND EMMA WAKANHDITANINWIN!!!...WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
AND A COUPLE OF LINES BELOW, IS BAPTISMAL RECORD FOR JACOB MAKAHAIN(SKUNK ROBE)!!...AGE 73...FATHER SUNKA-SAKE(RAW DOG) OR SAPA(BLACK DOG)...BLACK DOG???...OR RAW DOG???...MOTHER WINONA(DON'T YOU JUST LOVE THIS NAME!)
I THINK I'M MOVING FOREWARD HERE...ANY HELP?...OR QUESTIONS?...
THE CARPENTER FAMILY'S INTERWOVEN WITH WILLIAM FRENCH WIZI'S FAMILY...AND HE WAS A CHIEF TOO...WHERE IS WIZI BEFORE CROW CREEK?...WHERE IS HIS FAMILY?...OUR FAMILY WILL PROBABLY BE THERE WITH WIZI'S...AND IF WIZI WAS A SON OF BONE NECKLACE, IT MAKES SENSE THAT HIGH BEAR WAS WITH THEM(YANKTONNAI)...(AS AN OLD MAN IN FT.THOMPSON SAYS THAT HIGH BEAR WAS WIZIS BROTHER-INDIAN WAY?)...AND IF THERE IS A PAUL HIGH BEAR IN STANDING ROCK, IT MAKES SENSE THAT HIGH BEAR WAS THERE AT ONE TIME...(EVEN IF PAUL WAS ADOPTED)
I READ AN ACCOUNT OF BONE NECKLACES BAND BEING TRANSFERRED TO CROW CREEK FROM NORTH DAKOTA(?PLACE--ONE OF THE FORTS)...A COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER THE UPRISING...
BONE NECKLACE SONS-- WILLIAM FRENCH WIZI MARK DOG BACK THOMAS FAST WALKER WHITE GHOST
ANOTHER LISTING IS EMMA WIWANMDI(FEMALE EAGLE)---FATHER MDOKA-KUN-CIYENAN(CIGADAN)---(MDOKA-BUCK...KUN-INLAW...CIGIDAN-LITTLE)(IS THIS ANOTHER NAME FOR MDOKA?...BONE NECKLACE?)...(SAME PAGE AS EMMA AND LUCY)...
AND HANNAH...FATHER BDOKA-KUN-CIYENA
*********** AND A JOSHUA BDOKA-KUN-CIYENA...FATHER WAKINYAN-LIOTA OR RIOTA----COULD THIS BE BDOKA HIMSELF?..NO AGE...PROBABLY BDOKA(MDOKA)...BONE NECKLACE ************
WAKINYAN-RIOTA---?/THUNDER...MDOKAS FATHER...A LITTLE HELP HERE!!!...POSSIBLY WAKINYAN-HOTA(GREY THUNDER)...MDOKA'S FATHER
AND HERE IS EDWARD MDOKA...FATHER LOUIS MDOKA...MOTHER HANNAH CETANWIN(HAWK WOMAN)...b. CHEYENNE AGENCY-SPRING 1883...NOTHING SPECIAL HERE
JAY ROBERTS WAGIHUNKA(YELLOWMAN 3)...BORN CROW CREEK AGENCY 1872...THIS PLACES US AT FT. THOMPSON IN 1872!...WITH JOHN ISTAMAZA (IRON EYES) AS A WITNESS...GREAT WITNESS! --IRON EYES
EDNA CARPENTER=TUNKANDUTAWIN...WILLIAMS CARPENTERS WIFE
SUSAN WAGIHUNKA--b. SWAN LAKE D.T.-1881--FATHER THOMAS WAGIHUNKA, MOTHER-AMANIWIN
1851--WILLIAM LERONDEAU CARPENTER BORN NEAR FT. PIERRE
THIS POINTS TO ROAMING THE PLAINS BEFORE THE UPRISING...BUFFALO HUNTING...
AN OLD ITCHE-TUNKAN-WICHOSH(STONE FACE FRIEND) OF MINE TOLD ME THAT THEY FOLLOWED THE BUFFALO BACK AND FORTH FROM SISSETON TO CROW CREEK BEFORE THERE WERE RESERVATIONS...INDIANS LIVED IN CROW CREEK WAY BEFORE THERE WAS A RESERVATION HERE...
ARE EDWARD(ONE EAR) ASHLEY AND JACOB MAKAHAIN(SKUNK ROBE) BROTHERS?...AN OLD MAN I TALKED TO IN FORT THOMPSON TOLD ME SO....I ALSO HAVE A SUSPICION ABOUT BLACK DOGS BAND...
JUST SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT
JON
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