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Post by fwaukazoo on Sept 4, 2006 10:02:11 GMT -5
Is anyone go to file using Betsey Mary St. Clair and Taopi as their lineal descendents.
Would like to share and check info. fwaukazoo
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Post by wapate on Sept 6, 2006 9:05:01 GMT -5
Yes! we are, gotch ya :-) sorry I didn't get to call you last weekend, still working on the family's packets, I have 46 to do. Lots of coping. Talk Later. Wapte
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Post by fwaukazoo on Sept 7, 2006 8:39:43 GMT -5
If the Judge has now said that any documentation maybe used to show linear descendant to a so called "Loyal" Mdewakanton.
The story of Taopi and Betsey Mary St. Clair has been written in many book, and quoted on web sites.
To show "Loyalty," there is: o Taopi messages for help to Gen. Sibley, o granted reward of 500.00 for helping the white captives, o Henry Sibley issued a commendation o Taopi also testified o Scout for Gen. Sibley.
To show Betsey Mary St. Clair "loyalty" o Postcards and stereo-view images of Betsey described her as, "Old Bets, a Santee Dakota Sioux that helped Whites during the Sioux uprising of 1862." Also, Betsey had been know to have taking care of the soldiers sick child.
Taopi, had to leave their village of Kaposia after the Treaty of Mendota in 1851. They were removed to a reservation near the Lower Sioux Agency on the Minnesota River.
"When I knew him before the outbreak, he had a house and furniture, and stock, and implements of husbandry, and was a well to do farmer. These later years have seen him a poor homeless wanderer...." Bishop Whipple
Betsey Mary St. Clair husband Good Road die, and she went to live with her son Taopi, and she was listed under the Taopi Band at Fort Snelling.
Bishop Whipple knew Taopi should not be sent away with other Dakota. Many were angry at him. They would kill him.
So Whipple asked Gen. Sibley to permit Taopi and a few others to stay in Minnesota. He also asked Alexander Faribault to let them to live on his land. Everyone agreed.
Taopi asked if his mother, Betsey could stay to, and was granted. They both when to live on Faribault's land.
Many of them understood that the lives of the Faribault Dakota would be in danger on the reservation. They would be with Dakota who were still angry because they had helped white settlers during the war.
"[Do not reward] our loyalty by delivering us up to...our enemies. We are but a little band, all that remains of a once powerful nation, upon the soil which was the hunting grounds of our fathers. We shall need but a little space for a little while..." Taopi
In July, 1867, Reverend Hinman came to escort the Faribault Dakota to a reservation in Nebraska. He knew Taopi and other Dakota from their time at the Lower Sioux Agency. But Taopi and his family refused to leave. They were told that no one would help them anymore, but Hinman and others were not willing to force them out. Finally, about half of the Dakota left Faribault. About 40 remained.
Even if some land had been found, it would have been too late for Taopi. He became ill on a hunting trip. He returned to Faribault, where he died on February 19, 1869. Betsey when to live on land own by Sibley.
Maybe that why Taopi and Betsey are not on the 1886 and 1889 census, but Taopi's sons Samuel and Solon, Betsey's son Job St. Clair, and grandson Henry Whipple St. Clair are.
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Post by wapate on Sept 7, 2006 11:52:22 GMT -5
Tahansi, YES! Hokahe!! I am working on placing a copy of all that you mentioned in our packet. I will send a copy of our packet along with those probates we spoke of when we get finished with it. God Bless ! Wapate
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Post by fwaukazoo on Sept 8, 2006 21:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by wazi on Sept 10, 2006 9:51:56 GMT -5
I am very happy for the descendant's of Old Bets and Taopi. I descend from Jack Frazier, Ite maza. I am not sure if all his descendant's made the census list. I have said on the 1886 forum that all of my great great great great grandfathers children should be entitled, because he also helped as Taopi did. Jack died before the 1886 and 1889 census. As far as I know he was never exiled out of Minnesota and he died in Faribault.
wazi
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Post by tamara on Sept 10, 2006 10:35:48 GMT -5
I am very happy for the descendant's of Old Bets and Taopi. I descend from Jack Frazier, Ite maza. I am not sure if all his descendant's made the census list. I have said on the 1886 forum that all of my great great great great grandfathers children should be entitled, because he also helped as Taopi did. Jack died before the 1886 and 1889 census. As far as I know he was never exiled out of Minnesota and he died in Faribault. wazi I cant tell you how much I agree with you Wazi. I read so much and when you read all of the things that Mr Frazier/ Ite Maza did, it is frustrating to think of him as anything but one of the true loyalists. It would seem to me that when Whipple and others are pleading to the government to allow those that were loyal to stay in Minnesota as they shouldnt be exiled as repayment for the things they did to save white settlers and to supress the violence, they are talking about Mr Frazier and others such as him. When Representive McDonald iniitiates the debate or idea into congress stating that the friendly sioux and half-breeds had lost their lands and farms and how it was wrong for this to happen as they had done nothing to deserve such and rather had aided thier neighbors and settlers in the uprising, they are talking about Mr Frazier and others. coincidentaly, this is where I became aware of the fact that this issue had nothing to do with return of annuities or payments for other things... Sorry to rant on the subject but I wish that persons such as Mr Frazier, Taopi, the Freniers, Robertsons, Renvilles and others who were farmers and loyal would be recognized as such. Tamara PS What is the book called about Jack Frazier's life? I searched and searched for it as I recall at one time Mr L was so kind as to share it with others on the 1886 board and I cant remember the title of it. I am sure if those that would like to read it, asked him, he would be more than happy to share it.
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Post by wazi on Sept 10, 2006 13:41:58 GMT -5
The book is titled Ite Maza wazi
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Post by wapate on Sept 11, 2006 14:16:35 GMT -5
Hey wazi A BIG THANK YOU! :-0 i will be searching for that book. i am a 3xGreatgrand Daughter of OLD BETS, and i am looking for all things that tell of our family wapate
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Post by fwaukazoo on Sept 18, 2006 11:26:37 GMT -5
OLD BETZ AND THE ST. PAUL TRIBE OF INDIANS. No history of the early days would be complete without mention of the celebrated and picturesquely homely squaw known as Old Betz and the tribe to which she belonged. The camp of the latter may still be seen at South St. Paul to the number of three or four tepees. The Indians are the descendants of the warriors of Little Crow. They live in canvas tepees of primitive style, but with the exception of moccasins and a few Indian trinkets they have conformed somewhat to the costumes of the civilized people around them. The Indians living in this vicinity, says A.L. Larpenteur in the Pioneer Press, represent a remnant of the Minnesota Sioux who were not taken to the reservation after the massacre of 1861. There may be nearly a score of families in all, including the inhabitants of the little Indian village at South St. Paul, the aboriginal residents at Mendota, and some red men living near Newport. These are mostly descendants of the members of Little Crow's band. Three or four families have descended from the famous old squaw known as "Old Betz," who died at an advanced age only two years ago. At least two of old Betz's daughters are living. They are very large, fleshy squaws, and are frequently seen on the streets of St. Paul. When you catch sight of a big squaw with a heavy pack slung over her shoulders, seated in some doorway down street panting for breath, you may make up your mind that it is one of Old Betz's daughters--either Doo-to-win (Scarlet Female) or Pa-zen-ta-win (Medicine Woman); for such are their names. They obtain a livelihood suitable to their lingering aboriginal tastes and their condition of life, by selling moccasins, ginseng and wild flowers in their season, and the skins of animals which they hunt or trap. These skins are chiefly muskrat skins. They bring several hundred to market in the course of the season. Then the squaws do the begging, and the great white packs which these dusky females carry upon their backs as they trudge along the streets of the city are filled with specked fruit, tainted chickens and meat, dried up cranberries and other unsalable stuff that the commission men of the city have kindly bestowed upon them. An Indian is not so particular about what he eats as a white person. When meat is tainted he boils it until he gets all the taint out. What remains serves as savory sauce for the meat. The Indians are intelligent. They don't have much to say to strangers, but among themselves they are quite sociable, and sit together by the hour smoking pipes and recounting traditions and incidents. They are very fond of story telling. They also discuss topics of interest with a freedom and intelligence worthy of a modern white man's debating society. "I have sat with them in their lodges by the hour," says Mr. Larpenteur, "and have been vastly entertained by their anecdotes and discussions." So it appears that the Indians hereabout are not so glum and reticent as red men in general are credited with being. There are a great many people in St. Paul who remember Old Betz, and the stories that were told in relation to her, quite well. She was said to be one hundred and twenty years old when she died, and, as there was no evidence to the contrary, and she certainly bore the mark of great age, this estimate of her years was generally accepted. Mr. Larpenteur has reason for thinking that her age has been very much exaggerated. Old Betz told him one day, a short time before her death, in a confidential way, that when soldiers first came to Fort Snelling she was still in her teens. That was in 1819, and, therefore, Old Betz could not have been over eighty-eight when she died. end William Henry Carman Folsom (1817-1900), Minnesota legislator, businessman, and historian, emigrated from Maine to the Upper Midwest when he was nineteen years old. There he lived the rest of his life, achieving prominence in the lumber business and other related activities. His autobiography provides a detailed history of Minnesota, county by county, with a particular emphasis on the region's most prominent men and the role they played in its economic, political, and cultural development. For the most part, chapters are devoted to the histories of one or more counties and contain capsule biographies as well as significant geographical and institutional features. There are several narratives of early settlement and anecdotes about the relationships between settlers and Indians. Preceding the historical materials is an extensive autobiographical introduction. Fifty years in the Northwest. With an introduction and appendix containing reminiscences, incidents and notes. By W.H.C. Folsom. Edited by E.E. Edwards. CREATED/PUBLISHED [St. Paul] Pioneer press company, 1888. memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/lhbum:@field(DOCID+@lit(lhbum01070)):@@@$REF$=========================================== page image Fifty years in the Northwest OLD BETZ AND THE ST. PAUL TRIBE OF INDIANS. Page 757 memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lhbum&fileName=01070/lhbum01070.db&recNum=813&itemLink=r?ammem/lhbum:@field(DOCID+@lit(lhbum01070div650)):%2301070814&linkText=1Page 758 memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lhbum&fileName=01070/lhbum01070.db&recNum=814&itemLink=r?ammem/lhbum:@field(DOCID+@lit(lhbum01070div651))%2301070815&linkText=1
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Post by hermin1 on Oct 20, 2006 22:24:24 GMT -5
The book "Old Betsey the Life and times of A Famous Dakota Woman and Her family " is out of print. But USD's Library at Vermillion has a copy of the book. for 5 cents a page you can copy off the whole thing, for about 1/3 of what the book would cost new.it cost me a bout $8.50 to copyit off.
I would appreciate a copy of Taopi's probate if you would send it to me. My Email is dakounas@yahoo.comthanking you in advance.
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Post by hermin1 on Oct 20, 2006 22:26:57 GMT -5
wakazoo can you explain what Taopi is doing on the 1869 Santee Tribal Census, if he stayed in Minnesota? I know some people here in sioux city who say, that he did come to Santee, but went back to Minnesota.
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