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Post by redbrother on Aug 6, 2006 12:33:38 GMT -5
I see what you are saying Terry and see how with all the probable outcomes stated by the various angles of view, it might be hard to find an surprising outcome. Personally, I think with the complexity of the case, it is still a possibility. I like the reference to Mille Lacs and the outcome. I for one am concerned with the argument of Soverignty and what reprecussions it might have in the future if there is a ruling against it. Can someone explain in simple terms for me that line of debate from the transcripts? Tamara I have a concern about that also. Here are my thoughts on it. To even question the Soverignty of our Nations is to me 'a direct attack'! But I will also say another thing at the same time. Am I right in saying that there seems to be a lot of 'watering down of our peoples' (for lack of a better phrase), not necessarily a direct attack of any sort, but through a natural process. I'm talking about the processes of inter-ratial marraiges, mixed bloods, economics, politically and socially and so on and so on. How does Soverignty protect a people who are changing physically-socially, in a manner of 'eventually' speaking? I have some family that live up on the Lac Du Flambeau Reservation and I have visited there several times. Beautiful country, just like all! I have family, people there telling me that 40% of the people who live on the reservation are 'white'! It's a bit confussing, because you wouldn't think of hearing something like that, so that's why I use the term 'water down' at this point and am concerned I supposed (not even sure if I should be) the effects something like that could have on Soverignty rights. This is why I am starting to raise questions about the 'language' being used in this case. I don't want to mess anything up for anyone, or cause a stir, but just exactly what do things like this mean in the end? It is a thought and not neccesarily something that anyone has to do anything about, but things like this 'could' have an effect on our Soverignty rights in as little as the near future. It is a very complex world we live in, with a very complex system. I don't know of any other people in the World who have been deminished to so little. I hate to sound negative about any of this in any way, but I do beleive that questions need to be asked and I am never afraid to ask. That's just me. I hope I didn't confuse anyone here. |
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Post by housingman3 on Aug 23, 2006 15:40:38 GMT -5
Old Horse:
How are things in Frederick, besides being liberal with obscure statements?
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Post by mdenney on Aug 30, 2006 11:22:17 GMT -5
Sounds like he is fair, in mind of people.
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Post by winona47 on Aug 30, 2006 19:48:04 GMT -5
Sounds like he is fair, in mind of people. Who is fair? Old Horse or the Judge? |
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Post by tamara on Aug 30, 2006 19:53:28 GMT -5
Who is old horse? lol
Hello Winona47
I like to see new people on the board. I encourage everyone who signs on to post, ask and share. There are tons of persons out there with lots of great history and I am guessing that you are probably one of them.
Tamara
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Post by mdenney on Aug 30, 2006 20:05:27 GMT -5
Judge Lettow my HERO! lol
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Post by tamara on Aug 31, 2006 0:07:55 GMT -5
Who is frederick?  ? LOL LOL |
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Post by tamara on Aug 31, 2006 0:09:16 GMT -5
... I am thinking I am just way too happy these days!!! Life is good and I am loving everybit of it!!! -can you tell the kids are in bed? lol
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Post by denney on Aug 31, 2006 0:16:29 GMT -5
that is a good thing to be happy , I have no time to think of that to much to do the more you have the more you have to do .. So I just relax playing around on here and working on computers and doing book work and planning my next day... ... I am thinking I am just way too happy these days!!! Life is good and I am loving everybit of it!!! -can you tell the kids are in bed? lol |
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Post by wanbligi on Jan 20, 2007 19:28:10 GMT -5
the court addressed that tokakte, basically need to file with the court as an intervenor with counsel (or perhaps without) and include in your filing just cause for not filing by the deadline, which based on the facts you described appear to meet that standard of just cause mdwallcpa: Thank you for your insight into this case. I am new to the board but want to respond. I think your mention of what the Judge Lettow said at the July 18, 2006 is in that Transcript of Hearing Date July 18, 2006 at page 115 starting about line 5 to line 19. You can find that at the MKLAW.COM website. Have a great day. Today is January 20, 2007 at 5:27 p.m. |
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Post by jazzdog on Jan 22, 2007 4:18:00 GMT -5
All should know that there is a movement to try to reopen the notice and intervenor filing deadlines. Not to raise unsubstantiated hoopla about nothing......but just telling you all that there is a movement to do so. The court is only dealing with the communities' motions to quash summonses at the Jan. 25th hearing. But I know that there is a substantive motions hearing set for Feb. 5th to hear the outstanding motions to intervene and motions to amend complaints. Not entirely substantiated yet, but it sounds like good news if it is true, as it will allow the plaintiffs-intervenors' lawyers to address the issue of reopening the notice and filing situation........
upon hearing this type of information, I would hope that it would trigger any and all or you and yours out there that have been given the dreaded rejection postcard and thought that that was the end of the line for your lineage, that you now need to have a potential instilled hope to get the cattle prod out to stick under the butts of yourselves and your relatives to seek out the historical anscestral documentation that you must seek out in order to quench that desire to see if you are in fact within the lineal descendancy heirarchy that we are talking about day after day on this site.
DO NOT Mistake this post for an actual declaration that the filing deadline WILL be reopened........it is totally up to the federal court judge whether that happens or not. All that is said here is that the argument will be made that the original mass notice to prospective lineal descendants was insufficient and not fair so as to include all that may be rightfully deserving LD's. If you and yours have intentionally sat by and done nothing to discover your own individual lines by this time, the chances that you will be able to comply with any deadline is bleak.
This is a chase of history. This is not a chase for money that is free just because your name is thrown on a list. Until we all recognize the true significance of what this endeavor is truly about, there will remain the very aspects that have kept us down and fractionated for all these years since our noble anscestors left their noble legacies for us to perpetuate.
Do not expect your dad or your brother to do the work for you to claim your rightful historical legacy.....do not expect your poverty stricken aunt to somehow come up with the funds to travel to Redwing, Minnesota to find your great great grandparents' land scrips linking to your present claim....do not expect your well-to-do cousin to foot all the bills to go to all extent to seek out the genealogical information necessary to what is needed...do not expect others, other than yourselves, to put forth the effort to discover and uncover the hidden truths out there that we all know exist.......do not claim that you have too much to do now that you can't bother yourself to spend time and effort on the issue.......do not let yourselves or your family believe that it will all be done for you, somehow, someway.......the people that are active, devoted, motivated, and driven, can only do so much......I speak of these things not to criticize, but to generate yet unseen personal "movement" to do what you can, no matter who you are or where you live, to contribute to the cause.
Obviously, if you are reading this post, you are not totally disinterested....but you may find yourself in the position of having sat on the sidelines while others have acted on your behalf or in your favor.......if you have yet to experience the tediousness of viewing an Indian census roll page by page on microfilm, or brooding over multiple probate documents page by page, you may not fully appreciate the task that many of the people that do so, many who regularily post and appear on this site, along with those relatives that you know tell you things about what they have done researchwise, you have not really given yourself over to the individual effort of doing your individual part in the endeavor. Do not let yourself believe that it is okay just to throw all the work of the research upon those people that seem most enthused about doing it, or those that are most likely able to financially afford to do it. Too many families have the ongoing and present problem that the ones that are seeking the truth for the big group, need support (verbal, emotional, financial and spiritual), that is sometimes never povided by those of the family that expect results and expect things to be done for them on their behalf.
I do not think I am letting the CAT out of the bag when I mention these things......conversely, I hope I may be generating some unsaid feelings and motivations within certain family groups that may spur some groups and individuals into action, to assist us all in the grand goal. As you know, our journey is hard enough as it is, without the prospect of the individual family groups fighting each other over who is going to do all the work or fund the research. It is going to take sacrifice from each wheel in the spoke. The goal of the truth is immeasurable. The goal of realization is logical. The goal of strictly receiving a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, is unlikely. Unless, that pot of gold is actually a just, righteous and fair, acclaimation of who we are in history and where our anscestors justifiably belong......we only flow through life but for them. If it comes to pass through this federal litigation, that all of us as justly deserving lineal descendants shall reap some rightful passed down benefits, then we all should be so honored and respectful for the fact that we each did all we could do to honor them so that their wishes to preserve our people endures.
thanks again
Jazzdog
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 22, 2007 10:28:45 GMT -5
jazzdog: thanks somuch for the information .
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Post by tamara on Jan 22, 2007 13:39:24 GMT -5
Jazzdog, well said. do you mind if I use that? I want people to read it. It is inspiring, provokes a nice amount of responsibilty for oneself, mixed with just the right amount of urgency. again, well done.
Tamara
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Post by jazzdog on Jan 22, 2007 17:21:36 GMT -5
Tamara
go right ahead. I just thought I would try to enunciate some of the unsaid feelings and concerns I have heard floating about. thanks for your words and your enthusiasm.
Jazzdog
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Post by ddddyyyy on Aug 7, 2009 2:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by mdenney on Sept 17, 2009 12:02:04 GMT -5
ddddyyyy, nice to have you here.
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Post by mdenney on Jan 5, 2010 14:14:58 GMT -5
jazzdog...great advice and info for us. Thanks again.
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? LOL LOL 
thank you for allowing me access to this site.