looking for family

[kermit frazier]

hello i am looking for the following people on my family tree it has been a long road of searching and could use some help.

this is on my father side i am looking for cetan wicakte father who was married to a Mazzkiinwinna. i have her probate but it did not say who her husband was. only that he did a short time ago.

i am looking for information on Margaret Frazier husband Ita wakan i have only that he was her husband and that's all. any more information would help out there.

i am looking for Margaret's mother English name i have her Indian name Hazadowin.

i am also looking for information on chief Wayruga or wayahuga. i have only that he was a chief any information on him would help.

i am looking for information on a Margaret Maggie mazakute/ Whipple. looking for her maiden name i heard it was Hoffman but have not found any document showing she was a Hoffman. she got married at Crow Creek in 1864 too Paul mazakute. Her mother was Tate icunwinna and her Fathers was Nagi Wicakte

[hermin1]

kermit: I have searched through the records(Santee Censuses from1869 -1921) and was unable to find any listing of who was the father of Cetanwicakte.
Mazakininwinna was listed on the 1884 census as mother-in law,Age 70 to Tasinatowin-wife age 56 yr. and Samuel Wakinyangi age52(Tasinatowin's husband). Mazakininwinna was also listed on the 1885 and 1887 Censuses by herself.

Itawakan/Itewakan is none other than Joseph Jack Frazier, son of James Alexander Frazier and Hazadowin.
hazadowin did nothave an English Name. She had her Indian Name which was translated to English.
I can't help you on chie Wyruga or Wayahuga. the persons who testiied at the hearingsre. Two Crow only gave his name and thenames of histwo wives(they were sisters).
Do you have documentation for the marriage of Maggie(aka Panne) to Paul Mazakute?

[Kermit Frazier]

her is information on my mother side of the family:
my mother is Lydia Frazier/ Ferris her maiden name is Williams. her father was Harvey Williams he was born3-13-1921 and died 7-1-61. Harvey farther and mother are James Jr Williams and he married a Mary Smith she was Bron 5-24-1898 and died 12-30-1982. Mary Farther and mother are John smith and Sarah Armell Winona. i read some were in all this information on chief Black Dog his family line we have also a Maza na ha ton as Johns father and a Wan ske ton as John smith mother. i think you spelled his fathers name Maza Ho ton. it is real interesting how close these two names are and also John smith Indian name is spelled Tunka Can deska he was delivered to Santee after he was pardoned form Davin Port Iowa. John smith was given allotted land at Santee and he married his first wife Sarah Winona at Santee and he had three kids with Sarah. James Smith, Della Smith and Marry Smith. John Smith left before Marry was born he went back to Prairie Island and Married a Jane ?
that's the information on our John Smith could you help out with any information on John Smith is this the same John smith that is related to Chief Black Dog?

Louis St Pierre Sr all i have is he married a Waste Kaupi win this is on my mother mother side of the family. really needing records and information on him and her. i know that Waste Kaupi win father and mother are Tawakanhdi and Witan snaunwin Any information on these people would be help full in my search. thanks

the next people are Wospimaniwin and Prosper Armell. i have Wosipemaniwin probate and Sarah was never mentioned in her probate as being her daughter? i have Sarah Baptism it showed Prosper Armell and Wosipimaniwin as her parents. this is strange any ideas out there? who are wosipimaniwin Parents?

Ezekiel Shield was married to a Louisa O they were on the yankton res, Any information on Ezekiel would be helpful, i think he was in the military? i married a Louisa O that's all i have on her WHO is she and who are her parent's. Help!!

[hermin1]

hang on kermit. I will see what i have and/or can find for you.

[hermin1]

Well kermit:
Onething is for certain. You have the wrong John Smith who was the spouse of Sarah Winona.
Sarah Winona was the daughter of Wospimaniwin and Prosper Armell, but there was no marriage.
Prosper Armell is listed on the 1905 Winnebago Indian Census at Age 56 yrs. His wife was Oce-ce-ha-kaw(dec'd), daughter listed with him is Theresa Armell age 18, her spouse charley Raymond, and their son charley Raymond.

The John Smith who married Sarah died 28 April,1897 Knox,NE.their children were James Smith husband of Cora Red Owl,,Delia(Della) Smith , wife of Henry Tuttle,and Mary Smith.
John Smith's parents were Emma Godfrey and Wakanhdihota.
SSarah remarried to Felix Hemans of Santee in 1900.

Re. Louis St. Pierre,he died22 octobeer,1917. hiswife was Lydia- daughter of Joanna Blue Cloud(Hanna hapanna)and Tuncanwasicum(White Stone).

Re. Ezekiel Shield's wife Louisa. You should check the Yankton Indian Censuses that Mike Denney has posted at his website.

[Kermit frazier]

hey this is Kermit again:
i read what was posted on John Smith and Sarah.
my mother has a Baptism for Sarah saying that Prosper Armell and Wosipimaniwin was her Parents. OK now we all now about Indian custom marriages, we have no document for them being married. my mother has received land from Prosper Amell, now the only way that can have happened was he new my mother and left it to her in a will or she had received it thru a probate.
now we are in search of Prosper Amell probate?

the story goes that john smith has left santee to go back to Minn and he took another wife there at Prairie island i think her name was Jenny and they had two kids there. when i went back to Minn to check on the story of John Smith the family said they was wondering when we we come and find John Smith. we know that John had left Parrie island to go check on his other family at Santee. by the record it states that he left and a Campbell was trying to get his land there for his own use. but they would not let him have his land. by the story we know we are related it is just getting and finding the paper work to prove to the people that we are and come from John Smith. we all know how hard it is because the government has droop there duties to the Sioux we have seen it over and over.
my mother does have a probate for John smith and it is only a few pages so e are looking for the rest of his Probate and we know it is out there. i know by looking at the census re cored of how they have ages of Indians that are not right. marry smith is my g grandmother and she is the one who told my mother of her father John Smith and what happened, so i am going of the story and trying to get the papers to prove the stories out there of John Smith and Sarah. it has been a lot of time that is why i have been asking for help to put the paper with the words together for my family.

we know there are probates out their on John Smith and Prosper Armell. we are in search of the John Smith Probate of Prairie island and they have not had one on him yet his land is still in his name. i went and got a co pie of his land in Minn so we have that and other records on him from the news papers and census records we are just missing that in beetwen papers that might tie them together.

Yes we are in search of those records and we could use all the help we can get and information as well is very helpfull it is an on going search to fill the family tree !!! lots of fun and work at doing this

[Kermit frazier]

hey it Kermit:
i went back to look at Margaret's probate and she had two family tree charts. the first one had her father as Indian Post Trader Sagdasinduzahan Frazier and mother Hazadohan children of Haza are John Frazier and Margaret Wakte hinhdiwin below her name is a M Itewanka.

ok trying to get the Frazier family tree straight is another job of mine. i called and talked the state historical society trying to get the jmaes Frazier as being the father of Jack and Margaret Frazier no doc out there tying them together sa a family so it is thee best guess because of James being in the area he was the father of Jack and Margaret.

so it leads me to looking out there for more information. i did talk to them of the papers of the half breed scripts stating that Margaret was the daugther of James frazier Jack also said the same thing. it was to there guess that Jack said this so his sister would have a better chance of getting her land. what i said was why would she do that when she was the sister of Jack and that he said she was to young to be his because James have left the area and it had her as being 41 on her paper of script of land. not only do they need two people to fill out affidavit so a Francis Roi and a Fos Ed Bulland stated the same thing and Margaret being Jacks sister. the guy said it dos not mean James was the father. i told him that i have two affidavits from prople in the comunity that say other wise and why would they state that James was the father of Jack and Margaret. i tell you what these historical people need to be right! i was going by the same thing he was saying and proven the same facts as he was but i have a Affidavit and they has they assume. well on with the paper chase right.
i just trying to follow the paper trails right and now it leads me to asking for help to prove my family tree! i just dont get it some times when you think you are on the right trail it is not there. lol
i am just talking to my self trying to get some help out here. any boudy have any ideas?

[sunshine]

Kermit: Please contact [e-mail] for any heirship or probate papers for any of these people, including Paul Mazakute, Maggie(Panna)Mazakute. You can also find Joseph Jack Frazier info at Mn. Hist. Society. www.mnhs.org. I have used them alot and they are all very helpful people.

If you know where these people died, you can also access t heir probates by going to the county clerk of courts. I found a ton of probates from the Santee reservation in Center, Ne. But if they died in Mn. you will have to find out where that office is.

By the way, Paul Mazakute was brother to one of our relatives Wasudega, who died before the uprising.

Best of luck
Sunshine

[Kermit Frazier]

hey its Kermit:

i went back looking at the Santee Census and i am only finding one John Smith and i have went back looking for John Smith Grave and with no luck could not find one.

i did find a John Smith on the Yank ton res, MY mother said he is not our john Smith.

i did go back to Prairie Island and find a whole lot of Smith family thee Barri ed on John Smith land. i could not find John Smith grave. it was said he was barred at the church across from his land but no marker there but that does not mean his is not there right?

Can any one help me find my John Smith that comes from my family Tree?

i did go look at the Yank ton list Census for Louisa A but did not find her maiden name? i now that Ezekiel Shield is a white man. so i am looking for Louisa a maiden name and or if she had a Indian name. i know her daughter Mary J married a James William, what i can't figure out is how did he start using the last name William?

i went back and looked at some old information i got on Louis St Pierre and he married a Lydia at Brown Earth i also have him Louis Perrier and aLidya being baptized at brown earth. on Louis as his Parent only has his farther at Louis Pierre. is that Louis St Pierre? on Lydia it has her father as John B cloud He pan mother as Nora Tamazawastewin. is this the same woman Joanna Blue Cloud , Hapana , hapanna?
thanks for the help it is all getting done Shirley but slowly.

[sunshine]

Kermit: Go to the church records to find out about John Smiths grave. Often they were buried either without a marker, or it has been destroyed. Go to that local courthouse, or, call them and ask to have the records that you want found. It is a small price to pay and you will have many of your answers without going through so much work.
Sunshine

[Kermit Frazier]

Sunshine what information do you have on Wasudega and Paul would like to ex change infor with you? my Email is [e-mail].

yeah i went back to santee to Knox county and Paul mazakute still own his land it is still in his name so there is no probate out there for him. i am working on trying to get one for him and Rebbecca and Margaret Maggie panna.

it was good to hear that Paul has a brother i do understand his has four brothers and three sister trying to find out there names? what do you have?

what do you know of Panna being a Hoffman?

my grandmother Lucile did have Rebbecca and lots Bibble but she let Lovey Whipple take it when she was sick and his black pipe that he carried. my grandmother went with me to go see her kids when lovey passed away and she wanted those things back that Rebbecca gave to her to keep for her boys. they said they was lost and stolen. i did get a copy of some of the pages from a relative she showed him the bible and it has Panna name as being Panahihdiwin. i think i got the spelling off some but i will go back and look.
look forward to chatting with you on the family tree.

[kermit Frazier]

Sunshine yeah i went thru the church for John smith and they lost were they barried John Smith. i know he is at Parrie island but they do not know where he is barried at thats all and he gave them the land to put that church on. wow you would think they would have a big head stone for him since the church is on his land. cant figure that one out.

[hermin1]

kermit: When i wrote that Wospimaniwin and Prosper Armell were not married,I meant by ceremonyy. I am aware of the Indian custom.Please forgive my blooper,I should have explained this better.
Did you go tothe Center nebraska County Courthouse to look for Paul mazakute's probate?
prior to 1910-1913, quite a few of the estates of Santee Sioux were probated there before the County judge. After that period, probate hearing were conduted by the BIA Spcial Agents, because the BIA was having to go to ongress to get funds to correct errors in determining the rightful heirs to many estates that had been probated by County Judges.

John Smith aka Indian John /TunkanKandesca's death certificate ID is #1932-MN-004548. he died 25 Dec. 1932.Unfortunately, you have to be his nearest of Kin to obtain an official Death Certificate.
You may be able to obtain an unofficial death certificate through the Minn. Hist. Society(website; www.mnhs.org In the search box at the website typein Deth Certificates.
the last time I checked was a couple years ago the cost was
$!5.00.

I also have Wospimaniwin's heirship report.
The Mary Smith that Harvey Williams married was born in South Dakota as were her parents(1930 US Census ,Plain Center,Chas Mix,SD).

John Smith that died in 1897 married Sarah Winona Armell on
11 February, 1880,Santee,Knox,NE They were married by Rev. Fowler.(marriage Certificate)
John Smith's allotment no.169, and his wife Sara hemans had Allotment no.170.His family sheet fom BIA lists his wife as Sarah Hemans, and children James Smith, Della Smith-died 4/19/1907, and Mary Smith.(John smith Family Sheet and Property tansfer papers. BIA)

"Indian John"/Tunkankandeska left Santee,Ne with his wife and son and returned to Minneota.(Ref. 1874 Santee Indian Census has notation Minnesota written next to his name and family info, indicating that they left the Santee Reserve for Minneota).

[hermin1]

kermit: your maternal grandmother was Mercedes aka "Merc" Trudell, who had your mother with Harvey Williams.Mercedes was the dau. of Levi Henry Trudell and Nancy St. Pierre.
In re. to Prosper Armell, you need to contact NARA to get his heirship Report,if he has one. other wise you contact the Thurston Cpounty Courthouse and see if there are any records on him.
We can only tell you where to get these heirship records,etc,but you yourself have to get them.
BLm has no record of land patent for Paul Mazakute.When he died, his living heirs would have inherited it.
His heirship report will be either as aprobateRecord at Center nE Courthouse,or NARA in Washington,DC. You have beengiventhe contactfor nARA. it is up to you to follow through.
As for the John Smith who died in Minnesota, you need to contact the county Courthouse for goodhue county to see if his etate was probated. if hehad a land certificate isued by BIA, and he died without an heir,then hisland would be allotted to someone else there at Praitie Island comunity.

[hermin1]

here is a link to Family History chart for Wayruga,based on the Testimony given at Two Crow probate hearings:

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[hermin1]

Joseph Jack Frazier was baptized by Father Joseph Criten in 1840 at Prairie du Chien,WI. The Godparent was listed as Margaret Antoine.Theolder Records for St. Gabriel's Catholic church have beenmovedto the Catholic diocese f laCrosse fo Microfilming and safe keeping, to protet them.so you will needto contat the Diocese to see about baptismal Records.
You referred to an Heirship Report for Margaret Frazier. Which Margaret are you referring to?What was her Allotment Number, and when did she die?

Ezekiel Shield was a full blood Sioux Indian.His wife' name was Louisa Oyesnawin. Both born in south Dakota as were their parents.

[Kermit Frazier]

Hermin 1 thanks for the help on my of the search for family records.

i do make it back to Santee now and again and that is when i go to center. i asked Santee and Winnebago for information on Paul Mazakute. they said they have no information on him. i also asked for a Probate for him there and Aberdeen but they have nothing. i will look into the NARA for information on Paul that was my next step checking out what Oyate research has on the family.

Hirmin1 when we went up to Minn years ago we got John Smith Death record from the county and i think i paid $15.00 for his death record.

thanks you on the information on Ezekiel Shields. When i went to Yankton tribe to get records they was the ones that told me that Mary J shield was white and was not member of the tribe. i was going on what they said to me. it was good to hear that they are full blood! now it gives me more information on the family and other people to look for. thanks on that information. would you know the parents of Ezekiel and Louisa by any chance?

Hermin1 i would have to go look at Margaret's probate to get the information for you Margareta Died DEC 29,1896.

i am not very good with computers but my family redid the Frazier tree and it is on the Denny web sight my sitter redone it so every one in our family would have a nice tree line to look at. if i can figure out how to scan and post the two Frazier family tree i will.

Yes we new from my mother that Sarah and Mary was born in south Dakota, thanks for the information on them. i have one thing to add to that why was Sarah not part of Wosip Hiership when she was the only living heir of hers. i cant figure that one out. i do have my mother looking into that because she should have her heir ship being the only serving heir.

just by doing what you have posted for people to do by looking for family i have been able to turn up a lot of bad deals on my family just going back to get it all straight or try to anyway.

i think you have a real good family tree of me and have been following it to the T. hanks for your help again. i need all the help i can get.

[Kermit Frazier]

Hermin1 went back and checked in my truck have some information on old Margaret Frazier her allot is 37and her probate number is 26055-14 also 41536-11 is on her family tree chart DOD is 12-29-1896 at 80 yrs B 1816 the second tree chart was done when they was looking for the heirs to pay out for the Mississippi moneys back in the 80's all the dates and information comes from the second tree chart.

I do have some paper work on Margaret Maggie/ Panna. the date i gave you was from the family Bible that was passed on to Lucille Ziegler my fathers mother. it had the date of Oct 1863 for Paul Mazakute Margaret Pan hin hdewin on top of the page the word Wankankiciyuzapi.

i am also looking for Margaret Maggie Panna brother, Saul mewaxcedapi age 19 wife Isabella ayustapi/ irkogne age 17. for Saul it has his father and mother as Nagiwicakte and Tate iciunwinna or Tateiciunwima. so we are looking to for him and his family information might help us with Maggie Panna infor on Hoffman family. thanks for the chats and help.

[Kermit Frazier]

Hermin1 went back and checked in my truck have some information on old Margaret Frazier her allot is 37and her probate number is 26055-14 also 41536-11 is on her family tree chart DOD is 12-29-1896 at 80 yrs B 1816 the second tree chart was done when they was looking for the heirs to pay out for the Mississippi moneys back in the 80's all the dates and information comes from the second tree chart.

I do have some paper work on Margaret Maggie/ Panna. the date i gave you was from the family Bible that was passed on to Lucille Ziegler my fathers mother. it had the date of Oct 1863 for Paul Mazakute Margaret Pan hin hdewin on top of the page the word Wankankiciyuzapi.

i am also looking for Margaret Maggie Panna brother, Saul mewaxcedapi age 19 wife Isabella ayustapi/ irkogne age 17. for Saul it has his father and mother as Nagiwicakte and Tate iciunwinna or Tateiciunwima. so we are looking to for him and his family information might help us with Maggie Panna infor on Hoffman family. thanks for the chats and help.

[hermin1]

Margaret or Maggie Mazakute-Whipple died 28 May,1923
Paul Mazakute died 1873
Rebecca Mazakute-Frazier died died 15 Jan. 1960.