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Post by mink on Feb 4, 2012 13:01:10 GMT -5
I wish it was possible to find out! Some Melungeons--since you brought up their DNA--have been tested, or submitted their samples voluntarily. The unexpected element that was found was the Spanish/Portuguese and also Jewish. That has led to the theory that some men from the Iberian Peninsula, Jews among them, found their way to America centuries ago and created an ethnic group via intermarriage with the native population that came to be called "Melungeon" by others. In fact, no one is sure to this day just what the designation "Melungeon" means, although there are theories. But it is known for certain that the Melungeons, themselves, have in the past called themselves "Portugees". Now it has been confirmed that they knew what they were talking about. The Melungeons married the indigenous and the "newcomers" so that some today no longer are aware of having been Melungeons at all.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 4, 2012 13:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 4, 2012 13:05:40 GMT -5
yes, at one time long ago,there was a land bridge betweeen Europe and the North american continent.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 4, 2012 13:09:23 GMT -5
My late breother,an Ancient Greek Historian, among other historians theorized that some of the ancients may have traveled across that land barrier to the North American continent
whatis fascinating is that several years ago I saw a program on History re. archeological digs in China which revealed that the corpses of some ancient people who had blond hair, and also found the remains of horses buried there.
there was also a land bridge between Asdia and the Western part of the North American continent many centuries ago.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 4, 2012 13:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 4, 2012 13:27:35 GMT -5
Please don't misunderstand, me.it just seems that with the maps I found and posted,it does not seem possible given that Peter Minks being born in Kentucky,far from the route followed in the removal of the Indians back in the 1830's, that he would be a descendent of any of them. Unless, some broke away and moved North, which is possible.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 4, 2012 13:29:51 GMT -5
there are certain markers,for the various tribes that are found in human blood.A docotr friend of mine suggested that the Oldest living relative be used as donor for the DNA testing.the test is expensive, especially if you wan to prove that you have the markers for a specific tribe.
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Post by mink on Feb 4, 2012 17:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by mink on Feb 4, 2012 17:34:25 GMT -5
there are certain markers,for the various tribes that are found in human blood.A docotr friend of mine suggested that the Oldest living relative be used as donor for the DNA testing.the test is expensive, especially if you wan to prove that you have the markers for a specific tribe. DNA is difficult for most people to understand. Yes, there are the haplotypes or markers for various tribes but you don't necessarily need the oldest living relative. The markers are in y-DNA and mt-DNA, the first being passed on from father to son and the last from mother to daughter. A man can inherit his mother's mt-DNA but he can't pass it on to his children. If you are a male and your paternal grandfather is still alive, your y-DNA should be a duplicate of his--so you don't need to test him. However, if you think your paternal grandfather's mother might have been NA, he is the one who should be tested because you do not have his mt-DNA. That's why a paper trail is so important. As we've seen on this board, a lot of people are NA from intermarriages of French or other white traders and native women. But the only way that native haplotype can be preserved is through the daughters of those native women, their daughters, grand-daughters, etc. If you ran out of daughters a couple of generations ago in the family--you are sunk as far as that NA haplotype goes. In that case, the oldest person in the family could come in handy--providing his mother was of that line of daughters going all the way back to the NA woman the trader married. I know Familytree DNA, for one, does testing for NA heritage. It's around a hundred bucks--depending upon what you want out of the testing. |
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Post by mink on Feb 9, 2012 12:39:05 GMT -5
UPDATE: My son-in-law spoke with his mother in order to get more information. He told me she indicated that it was Marion C. Minks 1871- 1942, who married a woman of the Cherokee Nation. This is consistent with my idea, expressed earlier in this thread, that if the Minks, themselves, had been Cherokee, it was unlikely that anybody in the family would have been called "Francis Marion", after an enemy of the Cherokee. [that was the name of the father of Marion C. Minks]. However, since the sister of Francis Marion, Sarah, had been described as a woman with long black hair and black eyes, I do not abandon the notion that the Minks, hailing from northern Kentucky, might have been Melungeon.
The woman that Marion C. Minks married was Mary A. Stanford, who was born in 1878 in Steelville, MO. However, her father Thomas Stanford, came from Giles County Tennessee, born in 1849. Mary's mother, Amanda Derrick, was born in 1846 in a place I don't understand right now "Salem, Texas, Missouri". All of the above died in MO. I have noticed that other people on the Web are searching for an ancestor of Thomas Stanford named Solomon Stanford but have come to a dead end. One thing I have discovered about Missouri is that there was a law on its books forbidding Indians to settle in the state. On account of this, somebody on the Net called the state "the black hole of Native American genealogy". The statute was repealed in 1909, I believe, but prior to that, any NAs who happened to come there had to give their ethnicity as "white". Currently, I am not much the wiser about just how the Cherokee comes into it, but at least I know *when* and that it originated with Mary Stanford, according to the source.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 9, 2012 16:13:35 GMT -5
that was good detective work ,mink. yes in the south even, Missouri, you didn't want tobe identified as blacvk,jewish or Native American.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 27, 2012 9:52:15 GMT -5
mink: I posted a request for information on the minks family of missouri at genforum, and received a reply from a Peggy kenyon. Is this you or someone else?anyhoo I wrote her back and will keep ou posted if she replies again.
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Post by mink on Feb 27, 2012 14:47:10 GMT -5
I don't know Peggy Kenyon. Thanks for posting on the forum.
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Post by cymba on Feb 17, 2017 14:25:23 GMT -5
I am also the granddaughter of Clyde Charles Minks, Eleanor is missing from his list of wives. My mother is one of their children. Uncle Mark was Grandpa's brother. I have also heard stories about our genealogy from family and was curious myself. I am one of 7 in my family, and a blue eyed blonde, however, so is my dad. My mother had dark hair and eyes. I would appreciate any updates that you may have if you are available.
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