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Post by mink on Jan 25, 2012 19:13:22 GMT -5
And... "The early voyageurs gave him the name of Wa-pa-sa. The more modern traders and river men called him AVa-ba-shaw,*and gave the same name to the prairie on which his village was located. It was known as Waba- shaw prairie until the name was superseded by "Winona, its present one. Winona ( Wee-no-nah) is a Dakota name, signitying a daughter, the lirst-born child. It is a name usually given to the iirst-born child, if a daughter, and never conferred upon a locality by the Sioux. The name was selected by the early settlers on Wabasha prairie as the name of the post-office established there, and was afterward adopted by the town proprietors for the village. When the county was created the same name was conferred upon it." So he says. I once read that "Winona" was the most common girl's name among the Dakota. My guess is I'll come upon Pierre LaPointe and his connection to Wapasha in this ebook soon. Read more: oyate1.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=requesthere&thread=2517&page=2#ixzz1kWDJ6JDG |
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Post by madrock on Jan 26, 2012 14:34:07 GMT -5
From the History of Wabasha County. 1920. Chapter 3. pp16-23: "the origins of the dynasty are shrouded inantiquity. Sometime in the early quarter of the 18th century, apowerful Dakota chief married a beautiful chippewa princess, and by her had two sons, both were raised as Dakotas, the eldest was Wabasha I. later returning to her own people, the Chippewas princess married a noted chippewa brave. one of the children born to this union was Mamongazida, famous chippewa Chief, who was the father of the more famous Wabajeeg,.thus the princess became ancestrus of two royal houses, one ruling the Mewakantons,the other ruling the Chippewas". Other sources indicate that the princess returned to her people after hostilities between the Sioux and Chippewas occurred,but the sons stayed with their father. Another source writes that when the Dakota Chief married the Ojibwe woman, he joined her village. When warfare began anew, he took the two sons with him back to his Sioux village. This is it: OJIBWE LORE As early as 1679, efforts at inter-tribal Sioux-Ojibwe peace were periodically attempted by calling together great conclaves of the two nations under conditions of unrestrained celebration and brotherly love. Apparently at one of these conclaves, about the year 1717, a noteable Sioux Chief of the Mdewakanton band on Mille Lacs Lake took an Ojibwe bride And, as was the Ojibwe custom, he then came to live with her people at LaPointe. Two sons were born to them, the first in 1718 of who became the highly renowned Wabasha of the 18th Century. About 1719 a second child was born, another son. Then shortly after that, and not far from the year 1720, all Hell broke loose! The two great nations were at it once again in all-out intertribal warefare; whereupon the glorious romance was soon to end. Because of the typically fierce nature of these conflicts, it was no longer safe for the father to remain among Ojibwe people. Furthermore, his high standing as a Chief required him to return to his own people at Mille Lacs. Nor would it even be safe for his two sons to remain among the Ojibwee because of the Sioux blood in their veins. So these two splendidly matched and previously very happy people, under conditions of mutual agreement which guaranteed the safety of the two boys, were forced to break up their marriage, with the father taking the lads back to Sioux country. The grieved Ojibwe wife pined away over the course of a year or more and was eventually wooed by a young warrior of the Addick or Reindeer totem. They soon married and about the year 1722 a son was born to them whom they named Ma-mongo-zida which means Big Foot or Big Feet. In the following year a second son was born and he was named Waubojeeb. A few years later a Sioux war party came upon and began firing at an Ojibwe hunting party headed by Waubojeeb. Waubojeeb knowing they were Sioux, sallied out from his young men and pronouncing his name aloud in Sioux language, demanded whether Wabasha or his brother were among the assailants. Immediately the firing ceased; a considerable pause ensued. Then a tall figure in full war dress, with a profusion of feathers upon his head, stepped forward and presented his hand. It was Wabasha! The remainder of the Sioux War party came forward behind him with arms lowered and hands extended in peaceful gestures. There is more to the story but it ended peaceful, each party retreating. The inter-tribal warfare continued and the two half-brothers never met again. Source: Essay 25: Waubojeeg the White Fisher, INDIAN DAYS IN MINNESOTA'S LAKE REGION - The Great Sioux-Ojibwe Revolution, Carl A. Zapffe, Historic Heartland Association, Inc., 1990 ] I added it to: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wapasha/wapa1.html |
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Post by madrock on Jan 26, 2012 15:04:19 GMT -5
I still haven't found out who Therese LaPointe married but a younger Therese of the family, daughter of Pelagie La Pointe Lachapelle, married Bernard Brisbois of Prairie du Chien. On his Wiki website, I found something odd about Pelagie's mother: "Etoukasahwee's parents are listed as Gaa-dawaabide (Broken Tooth or DeBreche) and Obenege shipequay. Gaa-dawaabide was a long time Ojibwe Chief of the Sandy Lake village whose family belonged to the Aan'aawenh (Pintail) doodem or clan. Gaa-dawaabide (1750–1828), son of Biauswah II, was at the taking of Michilimackinac. He married Obeneg eshipequag. His sons were Maangozid (Loons Foot), Gaa-nandawaawinzo (Ripe berry hunter) and Zagataagan (Spunk) and daughters Charlotte who married Charles Oakes Ermitinger, Nancy (Keneesequa) born 1793 married 1822/23 Samuel Ashmun and a daughter who married Hole in the Day. He was principle spokesperson at Sandy Lake before 1805. The name DeBreche attributed to him is likely one of his sons as it was used at the signing of treaty in 1837 at Fort Snelling after his death." MR, can you make something of this? I've been to the site and although I don't remember, he states he eMailed me in 2006 about it and I replied at that time I only had documentation of one Wapasha I daughter, Lableu. It's tradition vs. another tradition. I'm eMailing with another researcher who feels there is more than sufficient historic documentation to determine Etoukasahwee is Dakota. |
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 26, 2012 16:26:35 GMT -5
madrock: I remember going to a web site that had ancestral information re. the Wapasha dynasty origins, and I remember printing out the information, but do you think I can find it, among all the records I have in my little apartment?I didn't jot down the web site address in my address book cause I had the printout. anyhoo, it mentions Algonquin ancestry either on the side of the Dakota chief, or on the Chippewa princess's side.and the names of their ancestors were also mentioned too. Dartn!! Darn!! Darn!
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Post by mink on Jan 27, 2012 0:11:46 GMT -5
I just want to clarify that the two women named Winona related to the Wapasha chiefs were the sister of Wapasha I and either the sister or cousin of Wapasha III. Sister would make her the daughter of Wapasha II and "cousin" I don't have any info about. This site says:
"Several of the prominent early families of Wabasha and vicinity were related to Wabasha III by marriage and descent. It is in honor of this chief that Wabasha County is named. The neighboring county of Winona was named for his sister or cousin, Wee-no-nah, wife of Mock-ah-pe-ah-ket-ah-pah. "
Has this last man been mentioned here under another spelling?
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 6:01:04 GMT -5
madrock: I remember going to a web site that had ancestral information re. the Wapasha dynasty origins, and I remember printing out the information, but do you think I can find it, among all the records I have in my little apartment?I didn't jot down the web site address in my address book cause I had the printout. Anyhoo, it mentions Algonquin ancestry either on the side of the Dakota chief, and/or on the Chippewa princess's side.and the names of their ancestors were also mentioned too. Dartn!! Darn!! Darn! I've been looking for the website this morning and cannot find it either. I was just there two days ago. I think Mink gave me the link or I accidently stumbled onto it. I've added the Algonquin info at the bottom of: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wapasha/wapa-earlier.htmlAnd I did download the 55 page PDFdocument (3535KB) but I don't know what the upload limit is for here but I'll give it a try after sending this post. Later . . . . |
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 6:08:53 GMT -5
“Ninety-Six Years Among the Indians of the Northwest - Adventures and Reminiscences of an Indian Scout and Interpreter in the Dakotas” by Philip F. Wells as told to Thomas E. Odell, 1948, North Dakota History, Volume 15:
The limit is 1024KB so it won't go. The Algonquin part is only two pages. I'll see if I can figure out how to send a single page.
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 6:14:27 GMT -5
Has this last man been mentioned here under another spelling? Not that I have found so far. I've only got two single sheet genealogies that list him. I cannot remember who the individuals were that sent those two sheets to me a few years ago. I had to quit updating The Wapasha Dynasty for a couple years and a lot of the old stuff I no longer remember. I'll scan the two sheets and post them here. Maybe who ever sent them to me will see them and respond so I can thank them. Later . . . . |
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 6:57:34 GMT -5
“Ninety-Six Years Among the Indians of the Northwest - Adventures and Reminiscences of an Indian Scout and Interpreter in the Dakotas” by Philip F. Wells as told to Thomas E. Odell, 1948, North Dakota History, Volume 15: The limit is 1024KB so it won't go. The Algonquin part is only two pages. I'll see if I can figure out how to send a single page. Attachments:
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 6:59:26 GMT -5
“Ninety-Six Years Among the Indians of the Northwest - Adventures and Reminiscences of an Indian Scout and Interpreter in the Dakotas” by Philip F. Wells as told to Thomas E. Odell, 1948, North Dakota History, Volume 15: The limit is 1024KB so it won't go. The Algonquin part is only two pages. I'll see if I can figure out how to send a single page. Attachments:
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 7:00:15 GMT -5
“Ninety-Six Years Among the Indians of the Northwest - Adventures and Reminiscences of an Indian Scout and Interpreter in the Dakotas” by Philip F. Wells as told to Thomas E. Odell, 1948, North Dakota History, Volume 15: The limit is 1024KB so it won't go. The Algonquin part is only two pages. I'll see if I can figure out how to send a single page. Attachments:
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 7:01:57 GMT -5
Has this last man been mentioned here under another spelling? Not that I have found so far. I've only got two single sheet genealogies that list him. I cannot remember who the individuals were that sent those two sheets to me a few years ago. I had to quit updating The Wapasha Dynasty for a couple years and a lot of the old stuff I no longer remember. I'll scan the two sheets and post them here. Maybe who ever sent them to me will see them and respond so I can thank them. Later . . . . Attachments:
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 7:02:48 GMT -5
Has this last man been mentioned here under another spelling? Not that I have found so far. I've only got two single sheet genealogies that list him. I cannot remember who the individuals were that sent those two sheets to me a few years ago. I had to quit updating The Wapasha Dynasty for a couple years and a lot of the old stuff I no longer remember. I'll scan the two sheets and post them here. Maybe who ever sent them to me will see them and respond so I can thank them. Later . . . . Attachments:
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 27, 2012 8:36:29 GMT -5
madrock: thank you thank you!!!You found what I was talking about. In fact, now that I have read what you downloaded, I know where I put the file. I also recieved a copy of the files from a Wells descendent and printed it out.
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 27, 2012 8:39:10 GMT -5
madrock: the two pdf files: img001 and lost manoo2 were damaged so I could not open them.
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 27, 2012 10:09:15 GMT -5
I wonder if there may be infrmation on the chief Powhatan and his family on the Net?
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Post by mink on Jan 27, 2012 12:32:59 GMT -5
I was able to open them all. Thanks, Mad Rock.
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 12:38:57 GMT -5
madrock: the two pdf files: img001 and lost manoo2 were damaged so I could not open them. They open good on two different computers here. Can you try them again and let me know. I just seen where Mink got them all. |
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Post by mink on Jan 27, 2012 12:45:25 GMT -5
[/quote]"Several of the prominent early families of Wabasha and vicinity were related to Wabasha III by marriage and descent. It is in honor of this chief that Wabasha County is named. The neighboring county of Winona was named for his sister or cousin, Wee-no-nah, wife of Mock-ah-pe-ah-ket-ah-pah. "
Has this last man been mentioned here under another spelling?[/quote]
He seems to have been an important man of the area:
"We had been on a visit with Mr. Reed to see Wah-pa-sha, Wah-kon-de-otah and Mock-ah-pe-ah-ket-ah-pah, the head chiefs of the band on Wah-pa-sha Prairie, ..."
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Post by madrock on Jan 27, 2012 13:13:12 GMT -5
Has this last man been mentioned here under another spelling? I looked at the two sheets again and now I think the handwritten one is stating "Last Man." The typed sheet looks like "Last Man." That is the only place that I have ever seen that possible "son-in-law" of Wapasha I. |
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