Looking for info on Mary Redwing

[jamesdow]

I am looking for info on Mary Redwing (1824-1913) she is my GGG grandma. she is the mother of Maggie Wabasha (1855-1926). I am trying to find the name of her Parents. Mary Redwing Would be the grandma of Joseph Jesse Chase.

[hermin1]

Mary Hdonicewin Wababashaw's father was Tateyuhudinajin(1902 Register of Santee Indian Families) I don't know who her mother was.she was baptized in 1863 by Bishop Whipple in Minnesota(Santee Mission Baptismal Register, 1842-1904).
Mary Hdonicewin according to my records, including her Baptismal Record, was not a Redwing.(Chief Wakute Family History Chart by Mr. Brill).Her father is not on the chart, unles he or her mother may have been children of Wakute's father Running Buffalo.
i would appreciateift if you would send documentation to prove that she was a Redwing.
I have only two marriages in my records for Hdonicewin: 1. to Thomas Wapate. they had 5 children then they separated by Indian Custom.
spouse 2: Cannonpeca(sp.) who died in 1878.
Hdonicewin then returned to her first spouse and they lived together until his death in 1889.

[sara]

Paul Brils Chart of the Wakute is not a completed chart, Paul Brill admits that himself, I have found many descendants tell me their grandparents names are missing on the chart. Hermin1 where is the source for Wakute's father? If Wakute is a brother as some say to Tatankamani/Walking Buffalo/The Red WIng chief who died in 1829, if they have the same fathers Tatankamani and Wakute then Wakute's father would be Hupahusha "The Red Wing". I have never read or heard that Wakute's father was Running Buffalo?.

[hermin1]

Sara: You make a good point re. Mr. Brill and his charts, as I too have noted errors of omissions,etc in regards to other Dakota Siouxs.
Re. your second statement, which I found in a copy of a reference, that peacekeeper had put in the Old Indian center Genealogy files, that has you as the author of the hand printed notation on the front page:
"This was sent to me by a woman about 8 yrs ago. she got it from the libraryi do not know who wrote it? Sara Childers, " The complete date of said notation was cut off bythe copier on which I copied this 15 page document.
It includes the reference by Rev. J. Hancock('Missionary Work At Red Wing, 1849 to 1852), who spoke of Chief Wacouta,as" the nephew of Scarlet Wing" and cited him as authority for the information that " his uncle died away from home while on a hunting expedition and was buried on a bluff near Wabasha".

The author(Mr or Mrs anonymous) of this 15 page document also noted 'since it was customary among the Sioux to address the brother of one's father as 'father",it is probable that Tatankamani was the Uncle of Wacouta, who may have referred to the old chief as his "father".

The first Redwing known to historians- Hoopoosha o r Whoo-pa-duta (wing of Scarlet), also called Red Wing or "Aile Rouge" by the french,died @1805, and was succeeded by his son Tatankamani(Walking buffalo)also known as the Red Wing,who married the daughter of an English Trader. This chief,later retired from chieftanship, and took the name "Shakea", after affirming his son Wacouta as the ( successor) chief.

Tatankamani died in March of 1829(Taliaferro's private diary entry of May 16,1829, and May 18,1929 Minn. Hist. Society).in the first entry, he noted that there was some disagreement over the succession, and that the members of the band wanted him(Taliaferro) to decide who should succeed the dead Chief.Taliaferro noted that he refused to do this. He mentions in his diary on the latter date, "Wacoota--Stepson of Old Red Wing-deceased-elected Chief this day at the Agency by the Band of his late father." it is of note that Taliaferro in other entries of his records also called old Red Wing, Tatankamani.
The name Tatankamani with the alternative name Red wing , was maintained for two succeeding genrations of RedWing chiefs,but disappeared with the Wacoute or Wakute who was involved in the 1862 Uprising.

I did forget to mention that the Wabashaw band in pre -1862 Minnesota, were called the Ki-yuk-a / Break In Two, because they disregard custom and marry their blood relatives.(Sioux of Mississippi. page 264. Minn. Hist. Society. Vol. 1).This was also characteristic of some of the Redwing band as well.

This would raise the question of whether Hdonicewin could instead,have been a Wabashaw? a viable argument against this,is that the Redwing Band lived close to the Wabashaw band, so it would no have been uncommon for there to be intermarriage between the two bands.

The gist of the dilemma, is that we may never be able to find out if one of Hdonicewin's parents was a Redwing, unless she passed her family history by oral tradition on to her descendents. Barring this, I can only say that her name was Hdonicewin.furthermore, Hdonicewin is the name on her Heirship report, and on all the Santee Indian Censuses I have found her listed in.


Joseph Jack Frazier in his affidavits(Nos.224-225) for the Lake Pepin Land Scrips, swore that"My father was a Scotchman.,My mother always lived with the Indians and her mother married a full blooded Indian. She was Mdewakanton,and was a sister to Chief Wakoota,but it is generally believed that she was only a half blood.I am ,I believe only a quarter blood of said band ,but I know I am of the said band. I married a full blood mdewakanton by whom I had a son three years of age and that said John is five eights blood of said band."

[jamesdow]

I thank you all for your comments and help. All I have is that Mary was born on 1824 in Minnesota Dakota territory. She was also known as Hdonicewin and she died on Dec ^th 1913 in Santee Dakota Nation Reservation. She was Married to Thomas Wapate Wabashaw He died on Feb 23rd 1894 in Santee Dakota also. I dont have any documents on this I got this info from Familey members

[mn1972]

Here is a portion of the probate report of Mary Wabasha:
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I think the Redwing connection is thru Joseph Chase's wife Jenny Wakuta. I'm just going by memory, but I will check some things tonight. I do remember that Maggie Wabasha died in 1909 not 1926.

Judy

[hermin1]

james dow: check out the Santee Agency Registers books one and two. they should be in the church records sections.You should be able to find the death/burial records for Hdonicewin,Maggie, and Mary.

[sara]

I wish I could get a hold of that lady that sent that to me. Geesh.
I think there is a descrepensy to the burials of the two Red Wing chiefs as well. One being buried on the Wisconsin side of the Mississippi and one buried on the bluff over Red WIng and then a body of a chief found in Red Wing where they built the first court house or library/ this Chief had medals and a headress when unearthed. These are in the MNHS but what did they do with the bones!

[hermin1]

Sara: good question re. the bones.
Lawrence Taliaferro mentioned the death of the one chief Redwing in1929,and he gave his son some goods with which to bury his father.does the MNHS claim that the last chief isa chief Redwing too?