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Post by atrocitymn on Jun 25, 2011 11:18:30 GMT -5
Jon, The Whispering Blonde is the Government's lead attorney. She has a very soft voice (says it is a medical condition). Since she is facing Judge Lettow, he can hear her, but people in the court room sitting behind her cannot. Read Section 9 of the February 16, 1863 Act. The Section reads (in part): "...to each individual of the before-named bands who exerted himself in rescuing the whites from the late massacre of said Indians." So, how do you interpret the Act to read that the Scouts "rescued" whites during the massacre? Seems to me they were quick to run to the soldiers and get their "30 pieces of Silver." I will await your reply. --- If kitto would read all the Plaintiff/Intervenor briefs submitted to the court and all the other attorneys of record he would find the answers in all the submissions by all the claimed lineal descendants that they all are direct lineal descendants of the four bands of Santee identified not only in Treaties with the U.S. but historical documents possessed by the United States government and other entities holding proof of ancestry. Kitto only thrashes back because he bows to EK's every whim. And Big Jon, you make excellent points in your discussions. Take care. atrocity.mn Here we go again. Gary Montana is an outstanding attorney. Those that appear on any U.S. Army Indian Scouts lists are listed individually, just as any U.S. Army soldier is also listed individually as to their rank, description. As a unit each individual U.S. Army soldier would be part of the total U.S. Army force, that would hold true for each individual Indian Scout working for the U.S. Army being part of the whole U.S. Army force. Judge Lettow has issued no court order as to who is in or out as far as lineal descendancy in this case. Pretty much everyone understands that. Each of the individual attorneys for both Plaintiffs and Intervenors have worked very hard for their clients in this case and most have worked cooperatively together in achieving significant movement in the legal system in the case at hand. I think most love apples. I've tasted a few in my day and from experience you definitely don't want one rotten to the core.
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Post by atrocitymn on Jul 1, 2011 15:19:36 GMT -5
WOLFCHILD LAWSUIT CLIENT UP-DATES POSTED: June 6, 2011 The hearing held on May 13, 2011, went extremely well, although I was required to leave the hearing about 40 minutes early to catch my plane, I was informed the remaining issues discussed surrounded how the payments were to be distributed to those who qualify for the 1886 proceeds. Also at no time during the hearing did Judge Lettow indicate that the Scouts or any other groups were out of the lawsuit. Judge Lettow will have to review the requirements under the three (3) Appropriation Acts and decide who meets those requirements. Mr. Robin Zephier did a very thorough job of arguing on behalf of the other groups, those groups not tied to an 1886 and 1889 Ancestor. Also the 1863 Act arguments I believe went well and the Judge clearly has issues confronting him that are very complex legally and based upon my assessment of Judge Lettow he will decide the 1863 Act issues relating to the 80 acres per loyal Mdewakanton in an equitable manner. My office has additional briefing due in the case regarding issues of distribution of the 1886 proceeds and then it will be left to the Court to issue an opinion on all issues remaining. I believe Judge Lettow will issue an opinion by late July, 2011 or before. Thanks, Gary,
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 11, 2011 14:47:41 GMT -5
My hat is off to Curtis Kitto for attending the hearing and doing his best to record the proceedings, and for sharing his notes with us. I tried to see what it would cost to get a copy of the transcript and was told that it would cost $6.45 a page(the transcript is 121 pages long).question I have is do the attorneys in the case automatically get a copy of these hearings, and if so, why haven't they posted the transcript?
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Post by atrocitymn on Jul 11, 2011 19:56:07 GMT -5
The Attorneys would have to request and pay for a copy of the hearing transcript.
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Post by atrocitymn on Jul 11, 2011 20:20:43 GMT -5
United States Court of Federal Claims Request for Transcript of Proceeding Recorded by Reporter (Requester completes this form and emails the completed form to: cfc_transcripts@ao.uscourts.gov; the Clerkâs Office will submit this request to Heritage Reporting Corporation.) 1. Date of Proceeding: Presiding Judge: Case Name: Case Number: 2. Q Requester is Judge Chambers Contact: Chambers Telephone: or 3. Q Requester is: Q Counsel Q Party Q Other: Name Q I certify that I understand it is my responsibility to pay for the transcript and to make arrangements for payment directly to Heritage Reporting Corporation, 1220 L Street, NW, Suite 600, Washington, D.C. 20005 (email: contracts@hrccourtreporters.com; tel: 202-628-4888; fax: 202-371-0935). Firm name, if applicable Address Telephone e-mail Date of Request Signature of Requester ____________________________________________________ (The court is not responsible for payment of the transcription fee incurred under this request.) 4. Delivery Time Requested: Q 30 days Q 15 days Q 5 days Q 1 day 5. Transcript Request is for: Q Entire Proceeding Q Portion: (Please specify) 6. Attention: Heritage Reporting When the transcript is complete please also provide the court an electronic copy, in readonly format, as an attachment via email to: cfc_transcripts@ao.uscourts.gov.
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 12, 2011 10:58:22 GMT -5
thanks for the information.The contact info you sent is whom I contacted by telephoneand thatis the price per page the man quoted..
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Post by dee on Jul 30, 2011 12:53:51 GMT -5
DOes the whispering blond have a microphone if not why doesnt someone suggest one,obviously this so important to hear her dang...
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Oct 30, 2011 13:32:23 GMT -5
Case 1:03-cv-02684-CFL Document 1082 Filed 05/31/11 Page 34 of 164
See Page 20, Line 16.
16 THE COURT: So you're saying the Indian 17 scouts, for example, would qualify under the 1863 Act. 18 MS. SCHWARZ: No, I would not say that. 19 THE COURT: They would not. Okay. 20 MS. SCHWARZ: You have to go by the 21 definition and it would be an individual who had 22 exerted themselves to the extent that someone could 23 have scouted, but I do not know -- 24THE COURT: You're saying those categories 25 of people are arguably diffferent. They might overlap, Page 35 1 but they're different. 2 MS. SCHWARZ: Yes. A scout I don't believe 3 is a presumption of -- a scout may have been someone 4 that qualified, but I don't think it's a definitive 5 qualification. 23 have scouted, but I don't know -- 24 THE COURT: You're saying those categories 25 of people are arguably different...
See I told you so. This is the first instance of the Judge saying that the Scouts are out (and the Whispering Blonde agreeing with him)!!!!
MIKE
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Post by mdenney on Oct 31, 2011 12:46:20 GMT -5
I agree except for the I don't think part...it to me sounds like it was not defined well enough to be for sure observation...This part here: 4 that qualified, but I don't think it's a definitive 5 qualification. You either know or you don't...the case has got to be more meaningful then a guess...is this Kangaroo court>>>? From my experience...The judge is going along and is putting words in her mouth...can u see it?? The court is guessing her unknown assessments...and agreeing in favor of the court...what the...Maybe I see it wrong, but it looks pretty obvious to me that there is no solid clarification...this was a crutch session...OMG!!!
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Nov 3, 2011 21:43:54 GMT -5
All I said was, "The Judge says that the Scouts do not qualify under the 1863 Act." The transcript bears me out. Quoting Rush, "See, I told you so!"
You can read anything you want into the exchange between the Judge and the "Whispering Blonde." However, the Judge's TRANSCRIBED (at line 19 regarding the status of the Scouts) words are: "They would not."
Further, I cannot wait until my words concerning the President come true, and again, I get to quote Rush and say,"See, I told you so."
MIKE
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Post by mdenney on Nov 5, 2011 13:57:15 GMT -5
Yeah, well it appears to me a whole lot of run around...lol
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Post by mdenney on Dec 13, 2011 16:15:45 GMT -5
You know if one does the math...the attorney is going benefit more from this then the clients will. At 33 1/3 % take that 37 bucks and do the math on it, even 10 dollars per client will give that attorney some big bucks...WOW! In the end...I think it is still worth it, knowing everyone got some closure to their family research and maybe even finding new friends and so on...You can melt gold down and change it's look any time you want...but FAMILY AND FRIENDS...well, lets just say that it is better off this way. I would rather have my family and friends, compared to living a lie.
jamie aka Dakota
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