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Post by Carole (LaMonte) Kloss on Dec 19, 2009 3:34:32 GMT -5
I am an enrolled member on the Standing Rock Reservation and just discovered that my Great Grandfather John LaMonte could be from the Crow Creek Yankton tribe. Does anyone know how I can verify that? He was born in 1842 and that is all I know.
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Post by Vicky on Dec 19, 2009 9:58:01 GMT -5
Hello, and welcome! I find only one John LaMonte and he was located at Crow Creek. He was born much later than the John you are looking for though. He can be found on the 1920 Federal census . Click here, save and enlarge with your photo editor-- i119.photobucket.com/albums/o134/vickyvalenta/misc/lamonte1920fed.gifHis WWI draft card lists his DOB as Nov. 18, 1892. genealogytrails.com/sdak/buffalo/ww1draft.htmlIf you think this might be a son or grandson of the John you are seeking, you might try contacting NARA for this fellow’s probate/ heirship papers. Contact NARA, Central Plains Region, in KC. Give them the name and tribe and they will see if they find anything on him. The contact there is- barbara.larsen@nara.gov Then try NARA in DC. There you will find the actual probates for some folks. Not everyone has a probate housed there, but it’s worth a try. Contact info is- MaryFrances- NARA DC Ronan E-mail Address(es): MaryFrances.Ronan@nara.gov You can also browse the Crow Creek census images located here- mdenney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=forthepeople&action=display&thread=302Check back often. Someone here may have some info for you. 20 years ago I would have told you to call the BIA and you’d have this info you seek in about five minutes, for free. My, life used to be so simple!
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Post by Vicky on Dec 19, 2009 10:37:16 GMT -5
On the ancestry.com Indian census schedules, there is a John Lamonte located in North Dakota who was born c. 1842. Could someone with ancestry.com please pull a couple of those? Thanks!
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 19, 2009 14:59:23 GMT -5
the John Lamont born @1881/1882's parents were Duncan Lamont and Catherine. John's wife was Dora Bear aka Want her b.1884 Crow creek Ind. Res.,SD and died 7 June 1936 fT. thompson, buffalo.SD John and dora wed14 June, 1914,All Christ's Church, Buffalo,SD Her parents were Joseph Comes After Bear, and Martha Buffalo Walking Woman. John and Dora had at least 4 children born at the Res. but only one lived through adulthood:John Harding Lamont b.5 jan. 1921 and died8 Aug. 1981.(correction, it was Jerome Lamont, not John Harding lamont(he died a young child). Note Please: Dora was first married before to Samuel Pratt( 1873 - 1911). They wed 26 Aug. 1901 at Christ's Church,Ft. Thompson,Buffalo, SD. they had 4 children: Fanny-died age 1 in 1903 Sophia b. 1905,d. 1926 Margaret b.1908 d. 1965 George b. 1910, d.1923 Reference:One world Family Trees. The tree does not mention of her marriage to John D.C. Lamonte. John D.C. Lamonte was also listed as living with Sarah laCroix in the 1 Apr. 1933 Crow Creek Ind. Census.
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Post by Vicky on Dec 19, 2009 16:30:20 GMT -5
Thanks hermin1. What do you have on the John LaMonte sweetsioux is looking for, who was born c. 1842? There is one born in that year on ancestry, but he is located in ND. Thanks!
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Post by Carole (LaMonte) Kloss on Dec 19, 2009 17:02:18 GMT -5
I now have a June 30, 1913 copy of the Standing Rock Census that shows my Great Grandfather John LaMonte married to Cecelia (Black Hand) LaMonte and my grandfather Edward Lamonte born 1890. Thank you both for your help and researching for me. My contact at Standing Rock gave me the information that started my search with the Crow Creek Yankton tribe I had no knowledge of this until just this week.
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Post by Vicky on Dec 19, 2009 19:59:04 GMT -5
I'm afraid we weren't much help, but we try. :-) So the John at Crow Creek b. c. 1892 is no relation?? I'm a tad confused (my usual state of mind these days!) Do you know what years your John was located at Crow Creek?
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 19, 2009 20:53:27 GMT -5
sweetsioux and vicky: Cecelia's mother was Bear Woman born @1833.(ref. 1905 Standing Rock Ind. Census). John lamonte and Cecelia also had at least a daughter named Emma. the John Lamonte born1881 was enrolled with the Yankton Tribe. Considering that sweetsioux did not give us much of anything to go on, I think we did pretty good vicky.
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Post by Carole (LaMonte) Kloss on Dec 20, 2009 4:40:23 GMT -5
Sorry for the confusion, I do know about Cecelia and Bear Woman. John and Cecelia's daughter is my Aunt their son is Edward (Born 1890) is my Grandfather. The following is what Ladonna who works in a Standing Rock Tribal office told me on the on the American Indian Tribe resources forum: Bear Woman Blackfeet Lakota is the mother of Cecelia "Black Hand" LaMonte 1/2 Blackfeet Standing Rock Sioux died of Stomach Cancer 1-1-1930
John LaMonte= born 1842-Crow Creek Yankton 1/2
daughter:Emma LaMonte married Horsethief
Son: Edward LaMonte married Annie Buckner-not enrolled"white" Son: Collins LaMonte
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Post by Vicky on Dec 20, 2009 9:11:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, sweetsioux. You couldn't ask for a better helper than Ladonna! As for your original question- " ...Great Grandfather John LaMonte could be from the Crow Creek Yankton tribe. Does anyone know how I can verify that?" If your John can't be found on any of the Crow Creek censuses, I think the best way to resolve your question is to contact NARA. Often, they will look up, find, and tell you what you need to know without you having to order anything. Barbara at the KC branch is especially helpful in that regard. Then, if you find your answers, you always have the option of purchasing the appropriate documents. Good luck in your search and keep us posted if you have any luck finding the answers you seek!
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Post by Carole (LaMonte) Kloss on Dec 22, 2009 10:12:07 GMT -5
Thank you for your help and directions. When I find more, I will certainly post it here. I now learned that I have relations on Pine Ridge and am related to the Gates family, I think on Standing Rock so now I am branching out.
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Post by Vicky on Dec 22, 2009 10:21:06 GMT -5
Wonderful! I forgot to tell you, if you are lucky enough to find probates in DC, you don't have to purchase the whole thing. Many are hundreds of pages long at 75 cents a page! You can order, for example, the first 40 pages of testimony and have them skip the legal stuff. The testimony given by family members is usually the most helpful. Good luck!
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Post by Vicky on Dec 22, 2009 10:22:48 GMT -5
I am guessing you already have the Federal census pages for John, Edward and Collins? If not, let me know and I'll post them here.
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Post by Vicky on Dec 22, 2009 15:30:37 GMT -5
sweetsioux, do you have an Indian name for John? I'm still hoping someone with ancestry.com can take a look at the John LaMonte who was b. c. 1842-3 and was located in ND (Standing Rock?). Maybe there is an Indian name for him listed there? Almost all the names on the oldest Crow Creek censuses list only the Indian names. This is the John LaMonte I am looking at in the ancestry.com Indian Census Schedules found here- search.ancestry.com/iexec/Default.aspx?htx=List&dbid=1059&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0Could someone please look at these and see if there is an Indian name listed anywhere for John? Thanks!! Record John Lamonte name info abt 1842 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name info abt 1842 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name info abt 1842 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name abt 1842 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name info 1842 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name info abt 1843 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name info abt 1843 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name info abt 1843 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name abt 1843 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name abt 1843 gender race North Dakota View Record John Lamonte name info abt 1843 gender race
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Post by mcintosh on Dec 23, 2009 23:11:20 GMT -5
The earliest I can find is the "1887 Census of Blackfeet Indians @ Standing Rock Agency Dakota Territory" Both the 1887 and the 1888 census list the Indian name and the English name. Everyone on the sheet has two different names except John Lamonte. Under both categories his name is listed as John Lamonte. John is age 40. His wife is Black Hand [Napeskawin?] age 22, his daughter in 1887 is listed as Winyanskawia - or White Woman age 1 and his mother-in-law is with them. Her name is Watowinyan or Bear Woman age 60. In 1888 there is also a son, age 1, and under both the Indian name and English name he is listed as Henry Lamonte.
There is nothing in 1889. In 1890 his wife is listed as Cecilia age 22, son Edward age 1, mother -in-law Matowin Bear age 59. Only his mother-in-law has an Indian name listed.
I haven't had a chance to look at all of them, but he appears to be listed until 1917.
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Post by Vicky on Dec 24, 2009 9:33:27 GMT -5
Thank you so much for checking those for us, mcintosh. I was afraid he had no Indian name listed. The good news is that, if he was still alive in 1917, he may have a probate at DC. (some of the tribes start in 1916!) Thanks and Merry Christmas!
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Post by Carole (LaMonte) Kloss on Dec 24, 2009 17:45:44 GMT -5
Thank you all for all this information maybe he had children who died before Edward And Emma were born, I have never heard of Henry. I do have the census dated June 03, 1916 which shows John Lamont deceased March 31, 1916. I do not know what a probate is.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 25, 2009 2:40:22 GMT -5
A Probate or Heirship Report on a deceased person, lists the contents of his or her estate(land holdings,personal property,etc), gives a family history (marriages, children,etc)and how the estate was distributed(who the heirs were determined to be and their share in the estate). this report is filed after a "probate hearing" is held , in which those who have an interest as heir(s),provide evidence regarding the deceased's family history, and to prove their claim(how they are related to the deceased) as heir(s) to the estate.
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Post by Spirit of the Owl Woman on Feb 9, 2010 20:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by Carole (LaMonte) Kloss on Feb 11, 2010 18:06:32 GMT -5
Lavanah I have some information that may help you. We may be related somehow. I am registered on the americanindiantribe.net forum. My message is "Wanting to know more about me" as "sweetsioux". You can read all the postings. Ladonna was very helpful. Here are a couple: Here is what I found Bear Woman Blackfeet Lakota is the mother of Cecelia "Black Hand" LaMonte 1/2 Blackfeet Standing Rock Sioux died of Stomache Cancer 1-1-1930
John LaMonte= born 1842-Crow Creek Yankton 1/2
daughter:Emma LaMonte married Horsethief
Son: EdwardLaMonte married Annie Buckner-not enrolled"white" Son: Collis LaMonte Edward second wife Lenora McLaughlin raised Collins Also: Ladonna, thank you so much. That gives me some information that I was missing. I know there were LaMontes on PIne Ridge and am trying to see if they are also related. I don't want to contact anyone, I am just curious. Also: Yes they are related the LaMonte are Yankton that married into Pine Ridge and Standing Rock The are closly related to the Gates family here Hoping to hear if this has helped.
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