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Post by peacetoall on Jan 11, 2007 16:15:08 GMT -5
Tamara,
I am sorry. I did not realize you were working for the attorney for the best interest of us all.
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Post by tamara on Jan 14, 2007 16:49:12 GMT -5
Thats okay Peacetoall, I am really am nicer than I have seemed in this thread! LOL, sorry for that, I am feeling like the clock is ticking and I am rushing to gather all that I can before the Pierre meeting, so I apologize for my impatience. I hope I havent discouraged you from contributing and being a part of the board. I can tell you are a strong person and not afraid to speak up and I like that. I can see how my words could be taken as judgemental and like the fact that you would "check" anyone who had that attitude. I can also see how I misunderstood your meaning in your posts as well, sometimes because of past experiences I get a little paranoid and dont trust easily. again, I am sorry.
Thanks Hermin1 for pointing out the Little Crow lineage as very important information for the War Eagle line.
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 15, 2007 0:25:12 GMT -5
You're welcome!!!
Now we need to convince Justice for all to PLEASE repost those two trees she had on here before: some Roy Families and War Eagles family tree.
Hey I found a real informative book called: The 8th landing: The Sioux Meet Lewis and Clark by Mary Eisenman Carson( published 2004 by Infinity. contsins baptismal records, historical and biographical information on people like blue Cloud,Struck by the Reee, and other information on the Yanktons and Yankton area.
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Post by tamara on Jan 15, 2007 1:15:01 GMT -5
You're welcome!!! Now we need to convince Justice for all to PLEASE repost those two trees she had on here before: some Roy Families and War Eagles family tree. Hey I found a real informative book called: The 8th landing: The Sioux Meet Lewis and Clark by Mary Eisenman Carson( published 2004 by Infinity. contsins baptismal records, historical and biographical information on people like blue Cloud,Struck by the Reee, and other information on the Yanktons and Yankton area. Sounds like a great book! I might need to see if I can find a copy too! Tamara PS does it say the genealogy and descendants of Struck by the Ree? |
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Post by peacekeeper on Jan 15, 2007 8:48:36 GMT -5
HI Tamara. A descendant of mine, Scott Campbell, who was 15, went with Lewis and Clark. After the expedition, Scott went with Lewis to St. Louis and stayed with him until he was killed. At that time, Scott went back to his people in Minnesota.
Jackie
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 15, 2007 15:41:45 GMT -5
tamara: It doesn't have anything on Struck By The Ree's family, unfortunately. I think it is a good reference book for background information on peolpe like the Zephiers, Blue Cloud and his family,Dickson, and others who lived inthat area .
Update. I goofed. it does mention who his wife was at the time they were baptized: on July 6,1866, by Father DeSmet.
Her name was Mazaitzashanawi.
that book by Mary Eisenman Carson alsa says that his family lineage is well known at Marty,SD. I assume they are referring to St. Paul's mission which has the record of his baptism on file.in their Archives.. The book does mention the deaths of several of his grandchildren, but other than these, notheing on who his children were.
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Post by tamara on Jan 16, 2007 1:00:40 GMT -5
Peacekeeper, that is a wonderful story, I listened to the audio tapes of on of the books on the lewis and clark journey and now wish to hear the end part again. I can imagine your ancestor in the midst of things leading up to meriwether lewis' death. fascinating.
tamara
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Post by wanbliho on Jan 16, 2007 21:29:56 GMT -5
Hermin, Tamara and other genealogists,
I have enjoyed your posts on the different software and of all of them I use the free PAF from the LDS church. I have tried others but I find this one the easiest one to use. I try to make it as NA friendly as possible. The spaces for other names I use for the Dakota, Lakota names and put pertinent dates like namings, etc in the notes. It seems to be more forgiving than the other programs. I also find it so easy to use.
Wanbliho
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 18, 2007 14:58:36 GMT -5
Wamblllihu: That sounds like a program I could use. How does one go about obtaining a free PAF?
welcome to your website. any information you have to post is pertinent.
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Post by tamara on Jan 21, 2007 18:46:43 GMT -5
Tamara, I am sorry. I did not realize you were working for the attorney for the best interest of us all. I guess I should have clarified this when it was posted. I do not "work" for the attorney, anymore than the rest of us do. I am a client myself and if I were to say I 'worked" for anyone it would be my elders who have guided me and helped me to learn in order to be able to show why our family feels we should be considered in the Wolfchild case. This resulted with being supplied with a number of resources, documents, and a pretty good idea of how and where to find, what we and others needed. I was able to add to their knowledge the results of my studying the Dakota Sioux Scouts with my late Grandfather for many years before knowledge of the lawsuit. I saw my grandmothers and aunts work very hard in gathering information, and often I found myself compelled to understand what they were showing me. I also watched them assist whomever asked them, in our family and others. If necessary, they would ask me to try to help. Naturally this resulted in some understanding of other family lines and in turn helped other people who I came across. I think this is the case with many of the people I am now in contact and connected to. It was clear to me that my elders had information aside from just family lineage that would help our attorney, and of course, as with everyone, the responsibility of supplying the supporting "evidence" or documents as it relates to our families, belongs to us. I did my best to pass on such information to our attorney, without his requesting it. Others have had years to study and research, while the intervening attorneys have had a very limited amount of time, I think we have all done our best to assist if we can. If someone on the board finds something that may help, we pass it on ideally to all parties. There are members of the War Eagle family, that I have had opportunity to meet and know. I have been greatly impressed and have seen such examples of giving and helping that I felt compelled to "give" as well. Knowing that the War Eagle family knows their history very well and probably doesnt need any help in the genealogical data, my thinking was to do the same as I had done for my own family, by reviewing the types of documents and resources I was given. Again, I have not been asked to do anything, by our attorney and have no "working" arrangement with the lawfirm. What I do, I do in the same capacity as many others involved in this lawsuit as clients, do for their attorneys and families. |
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 22, 2007 2:04:45 GMT -5
Was it Lewis who committed suicide?
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Post by peacekeeper on Jan 22, 2007 7:54:28 GMT -5
it is one of the great mysteries. he did die under mysterious circumstances.
jackie
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Post by tamara on Jan 22, 2007 13:50:41 GMT -5
Yes, it was Lewis. -and yes, the consipiracy theorist in me say it was very mysterious circumstances indeed... I understand according to the journals that he had battled depression or something of the sort even in his travels, but it still seems a bit odd to me and made me want to read a bit more. I cant even imagine how intrigueing it would be to have an ancestor there. I thought my line was interesting enough in that they met with my ancestor GreyCloud woman and her husband James Aird and write of their stay with them... but that is boring in comparison. Wouldnt it be incredible if the Campbell boy had a diary or a narrative taken at the time?
Tamara
Fancy1, I do enjoy the amount of effort people put into helping others on this board, its natural to do the same (as you well know). this was well underway when I came along, being a quick study, i merely had the good sense to follow. give and get, seems to be the name of the game, and this board is very heavy on the give side. -look at what big jon is giving! such sharing, not to mention the effort it takes to share it in that manner, just has to have its rewards...
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Post by BIG JON on Jan 22, 2007 13:52:44 GMT -5
GIVING IS ITS OWN REWARD!...JON
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Post by tamara on Jan 22, 2007 15:05:11 GMT -5
GIVING IS ITS OWN REWARD!...JON True Jon, very true... |
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Post by sara on Mar 2, 2007 21:13:05 GMT -5
I just saw this post with Victoria wolfe and Abraham.... *********************************************** Eli and Mary did have a son named Eli(jJr.) He's the one that died very young. Please repost your beautiful tree on War Eagle. Here is some additional data I found for it: alred Abraham's wife,victoria Wolfe was the youngest daughter of Samuel and Julia Collins of Santee, NE. Julia Collins's mother was the wife of William /bean ?Sr.(aka chief blue Cloud). Her mother's maiden name was Dixon.... ********************************************* Julia Collins Wolfe' mother was Mary Primeaux, I got this from Mary Primeaux' probate. Julia was part Ponca. I am not sure how Julia is on John Collins Census record in Charles Mix County SD in the 1870's. John is probably her Dad but it sayd Louisa Collins as Johns wife. I think Louisa is a step mother to Julia, as family story is that John Collins took Julias mother from her Ponca family.  I have a list of Julias siblings that was in the probate. SARA |
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Post by BIG JON on Mar 4, 2007 19:07:04 GMT -5
I just saw this post with Victoria wolfe and Abraham.... *********************************************** Eli and Mary did have a son named Eli(jJr.) He's the one that died very young. Please repost your beautiful tree on War Eagle. Here is some additional data I found for it: alred Abraham's wife,victoria Wolfe was the youngest daughter of Samuel and Julia Collins of Santee, NE. Julia Collins's mother was the wife of William /bean ?Sr.(aka chief blue Cloud). Her mother's maiden name was Dixon.... ********************************************* Julia Collins Wolfe' mother was Mary Primeaux, I got this from Mary Primeaux' probate. Julia was part Ponca. I am not sure how Julia is on John Collins Census record in Charles Mix County SD in the 1870's. John is probably her Dad but it sayd Louisa Collins as Johns wife. I think Louisa is a step mother to Julia, as family story is that John Collins took Julias mother from her Ponca family. I have a list of Julias siblings that was in the probate. SARA I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF WAKAN HEYOKA---(CHARLIE COLLINS)...HE WAS THE ISSUE AGENT AT HAMILL S.D....AND HIS FAMILY... I WILL POST IF THERE IS SOME INTEREST...HE IS OUR RELATIVE---THROUGH LONG CROW... JON |
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Post by sara on Mar 4, 2007 22:25:47 GMT -5
Holey!!
Yes, please post the pictures!!
I would like to know more!!
Thank-you,
Sara
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Post by jansimon1958 on May 16, 2007 4:31:25 GMT -5
Please do...I am related to the Traversie's, War Eagle's, Dickson's, am interested. Post the tree. Thanks.
need info on Helen Ellen Dickson who married Joseph R. Brown and then Moses Arconge.
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Post by hermin1 on May 16, 2007 9:54:19 GMT -5
I have a question re. Eli Abraham. I have a family Tree that shows Eli Abraham as the offspring of Cloud Man and Red Berry Woman. The chart was prepared by Mr. Brill. I will need some documentation from you re. your information about him. Update: I am rally back in the corner this time. Yes Brill did make up a tree that lists Hupacokamaza as an offspring.but whether this is an Abraham is a puzzle to me, now that I have done more researech. There was a Hupacokamaza( or rupacokamaza?) that was related to Cloudman. He married oneof Cloudman's daughters., and was a nephew of Chief Redbird. Hupacokamaza was killed by the Chippewas on July 2, 1839, as he wasout hunting. His murder instigated the famous Battle of rum river(not creek as I wrote elsewhere) on July 3,1839, during which Chief RedBird and one of his sons were killed.this is mentioned in the Volunteer Missionaries Among the Dakotas which is in another section of our website. There was a Mdewakanton or Dakota Sioux chief named shooting Pine or Pine shooter. He was the father of Eli abraham aka Rupacokamaza and Tasinahotewin (I mispelled her name, I am so sorry). Eli and Tasinahotewin had different mothers however. There is a Rupacokamaza that was a Wahpeton soldier and that signed the Treaty of Sept. 20, 1872. I don't know if he is related to Eli Abraham or not. Brill made another error in this Cloudman tree he did, in that he failed to include the wife of Philander Prescott and descendents, since she was a daughter of Cloudman also. |
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