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Post by quicksilverwade on Apr 21, 2006 9:52:03 GMT -5
I'm looking to see who the parents are for husband Crooked dob 1812 and wife Mary Snow dob 1816.
Thanks, Wade Crow
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 22, 2006 4:13:14 GMT -5
Lots of luck hunting for these two people. the Census for Minnesota prior to 1863 only list the heads of each family, no. of males, no of children and no of women plus the amount oftheir annuity. the records are on microfilm in Records Group 75 records of the BIA, at the NARA. Minn. Hist. Soc. in St. Paul has the microfilms for the Sioux and Chippewas of Minnesota, so I would suggest you contact your local library and have them obtain the films from St. paul. the cost is$3 per roll and you can use them for at least 3 weeks at your library. Your other option is to go to your nearest Ltter Day Saints Fam. History Center and have them order the films for you. The cost is $7 I think per roll.
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Post by wazi on Apr 22, 2006 8:14:37 GMT -5
Not sure how much time you may have, but you can order the microfiche film from the MNHS on the traders. You may want to look there.
wazi
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Post by winnie on Apr 23, 2006 20:18:19 GMT -5
I have a copy of Mary Snow's death certificate. It does not list her parents. I am looking for this same information.
Winnie
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Post by winnie on Apr 23, 2006 20:28:26 GMT -5
PS' The death certificate lists Mary Snow's birth place as Iowa. An Heirship case in 1902 shows her Husband as Iorn Elk Other Husbands as Crooked, Bob tail Buffalo
Children as Wirlwind in House, daughter of Crooked White Whirlwind [twins]child of Buffalo Bob Tail Bear Looks Back Child of Iron Elk
Father was an unknown White Man Mother unknown Yankton Indian woman
Winnie
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Post by mona on Apr 23, 2006 23:25:34 GMT -5
crooked's english name is john hoffman eyap. i am trying to find some info on that.
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Post by mona on Apr 23, 2006 23:27:46 GMT -5
can i get a copy of mary snow's death certificate.. she's my ancestor. pidama.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 24, 2006 1:13:14 GMT -5
Well this information re. Iron Elk and this Mary Snow is certainly new information. the probate on Iron Elk indicates that he did not father any children by anyof his wives, of which there were several.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 24, 2006 1:16:21 GMT -5
i would like to see a copy of the 1902 heirship paper you mentioned.
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Post by wazi on Apr 24, 2006 7:16:06 GMT -5
crooked's english name is john hoffman eyap. i am trying to find some info on that. Currently in this era there are three John Hoffmans. One in Annuity rolls document of 1885 Mdewakanton reimbursement #17 page 2 John is listed with the Indian name Mahpiya akicita age 62, with his wife Janette and three daughters Emma age 36, Nancy age 16, and Julia age34 and one grandson Peter Judson age 17. In 1889 this same family is found on the Birch Cooley census in the Hastings B Settlement.On the Santee agency census in 1885. #263 John Hoffman is 34 with the Indian name Catanna, he is listed with his wife #264 Tiyohdawin, Ellen Hoffman age 31 and daughter #265 Lucy Hoffman age 5. The John Hoffman Catanna, is the son of Lucy Tiyopa and Nomahda. On the same Santee census record #205 Ohisemaza John Holfiron (last week I was reading his name as Hoffman ) age 60 #206 Petayuhawin wife age 65, #207 Oyatewastewin Lucy Halfiron daughter age 31. I hope this helped wazi
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 24, 2006 12:01:52 GMT -5
wazi: Re. the first John Hoffman, the daughter Julia was listed in the 1904 land allotments as Julia LaFramboise. I couldn't find anything on the Judson surname at my web haunts. The second John Hoffman was actually John Halfiron.
As for a thrrd John Hoffman? I question this, as there isn't anything written to show that Crooked was John Hoffman.
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Post by winnie on Apr 24, 2006 22:21:07 GMT -5
Mona and Hermin I, I have a copy of Report of Superintendent in Heirship Cases on Decedent Mary Snow. this is a copy showing her date of death, Ja. 1902. Agency, Crow Creek. Age 89. I will be happy to mail a copy of this to you and need an address where to send it. Winnie
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Post by mona on Apr 25, 2006 17:41:33 GMT -5
i may have that but send it anyway cuz mine is from crow creek bia. mona r, box 335, ft thompson sd 57339. pidama for your help. i appreciate your generosity.
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Post by peacekeeper on Apr 25, 2006 17:59:43 GMT -5
i believe that john half-iron is the father of lucy half-iron. she married henry westman and is listed in mary halsey campbell's bible.
jackie
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 26, 2006 0:43:06 GMT -5
jackie: You mean that Lucy Hoffman-Wetman is related to the Holseys, or is it the Campbells?
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Post by Whirlwind In The House on Apr 26, 2006 18:36:03 GMT -5
Hello all. I would really appreciate any info on Crooked and Mary Snow as well. Please send to Connie Big Eagle PO BOX 61 Blunt SD 57522 or to cbigeagle@hotmail.com. I am of the notion that Mary Snow's mother was a Hannah Snow Dove and her father was John Deloria and will share the supporting documents as soon as I recieve them via a relative as well. Should anyone want to talk my phone numbers are 605-962-6459 at home or on my cellular 605-295-0938.
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Post by wazi on Apr 26, 2006 21:33:19 GMT -5
wazi: Re. the first John Hoffman, the daughter Julia was listed in the 1904 land allotments as Julia LaFramboise. I couldn't find anything on the Judson surname at my web haunts. The second John Hoffman was actually John Halfiron. As for a thrrd John Hoffman? I question this, as there isn't anything written to show that Crooked was John Hoffman. Hermin I wasn't implying anything just putting some information up on the john hoffman's that i came across. wasn't sure if any of these are the john's listed as crooked. Julia may have married a Judson, for her son Peter to have that name. Her sister Emma also goes by Judson. wazi
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Post by peacekeeper on Apr 28, 2006 7:49:42 GMT -5
des, i will show you a copy of some bible pages the next time i see you. lucy half-iron westman is in mary halsey's bible. my guess is she is connected to mary.
jackie
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 28, 2006 14:37:53 GMT -5
Wazi: please do not misread what I posted, I do not doubt you. I have to admit that those hand written censuses are a bit-- to decipher. The Julia, age 34, who was listed under John Hoffman in the 1885/86 mdewakanton Census, then as the widow at age 38 on the 1889 Census, was listed as Julia la Fromboise on the 1904 land scriips list. I tried to find something on the Emma Judson and Peter Judson and got nowhere at ancestry.com. Just last night I found a Johnson Hoffman, Age 58, born Wis., as well as both his parents, in the 1880 US Census for Moody,Dakota Territory. His wife's name was listed as Emma, age 50, born Minn, father born Wis., and mother born Minn. So we now have 2 John Hoffmans, and a Johnson Hoffman, until someone can provide documentation for this Crooked also going as John Hoffman.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 28, 2006 14:41:54 GMT -5
jackie: thanks for the information. I have a copyof the bible pages you are referring to.
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