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Post by Vicky on Jan 27, 2008 13:19:28 GMT -5
I wonder if the person who was hung was the biological grandfather of Abraham, and not related to the Crawfords? Charles was Abraham's adopted father and not his grandfather. Did the rest of his family then flee to Canada where Abraham was born 20 years later? Does anyone know if there has ever been a listing/gathering of the names of the descendants of those hung? That would be interesting to see.
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Post by soonerborn on Jan 27, 2008 18:38:21 GMT -5
Seeing the names listed on my questions does bring back some memories. My father was the youngest of 7 brothers. No wonder my grandmother, Cora looked tired every time we saw her. But the names were, in no particular order were: Lincoln, Lester, Lloyd, Francis, Earl, Richard, and Eugene. During the 1950's many of my uncles came to Oklahoma, (Hence the tag Soonerborn), and worked in the oil fields of Osage County. My father married my mom, an Osage, Kathleen Scott.
Soon there after we moved to Omaha. While there we went to Sisseton quite often. As I stated in an earlier post, I remember that church at Buffalo lake, and spending days fishing at the old resort down the road. Soon after that, my parents divorced, and my Mom moved herself, her daughter from an earlier marriage and myself back to Oklahoma. From there I would visit once a year to Sisseton. During this time, I lost my uncles one by one. When I was 11 or 12 I remember getting a call from my father who told me that Grandma Cora had past. Because of the timing, and distance I could not make to South Dakota in time.
I grew up hearing the Osage Stories and History. What little Sioux History I learned was from my cousins who stayed in Oklahoma, after all but one of my uncles, and a cousin returned to South Dakota. Sometimes I get together with my Oklahoma Sioux cousins and we tell badly remembered tales and stories, that we traded with our South Dakota Sioux Cousins, trying to be the scariest story teller.
Sorry for caring on, but its nice to say these things to people who understand, and realize that While I mainly eat persimmons, I still miss choke cherries with my frybead.
About the question who was the Crawford listed in the roles, and such, I don't know. But, I went back to the letter written by Sydney Byrd. The quote he writes about the hanging and the Sioux Singing the translated hymns was"...and one of those who went to be with his creator was my grandfather."
So Abraham Crawford when he was preaching at Flandreau, was speaking of his Grandfather, but the letter does not mention the Grandfather's name.
When I come across more information, I'll add it. Thank you for looking into this for me. I really do appreciate it.
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Jan 27, 2008 19:32:45 GMT -5
Dear Cousin Soonerborn,
When I was a child, I went fishing at Uncle Lincoln's house on Buffalo Lake, we caught a bunch of huge Bullheads! Later in life, I was a participant in a Dakota Language class taught by Aunt Evelyn, at University of South Dakota, Vermillion, South Dakota.
My Aunt Jeanette married Edward Crawford. They had a very large family.
Your Cousin from Santee,
MIKE
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 27, 2008 19:53:35 GMT -5
soonerborn: Ifound Peter laBellein S.Dakoa in some probate papersi received on hismother MaryTunka LaBelle. she was married to Louis LaBelle a Canadian Frenchman. He died in 1875 .Peter's siblings who were living at the time of his mother's 1920 probate hearing, were Baptiste laBelle, Louis laBelle, Maragaret LaBelle-Ortley, and Madeline labelle-La Croix. Oneof his siblings George William laBelle had died several years before thehearing. there were also several children that died quite young.
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Post by nncy58 on Jan 27, 2008 19:54:28 GMT -5
This is why I showed Minicagewin as mother. This is from Sisseton census 1904. Don't know if that helps or not but anything is worth looking at if at least to say for sure it's not the right person.
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Post by nncy58 on Jan 27, 2008 20:12:04 GMT -5
I should do this all at the same time! This is from 1887 at Sisseton I think.
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Post by nncy58 on Jan 27, 2008 20:14:12 GMT -5
I should do this all at the same time! This is from 1887 at Sisseton I think. Yes now I see Buffalo Lake District on it
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Post by Vicky on Jan 27, 2008 20:16:14 GMT -5
Wow, nncy58, this sure looks like our guy! His mother is not listed on this census, just her Indian name. On the Elrod in 1891 Solomon and Mniicazewin are still living. If Abraham was adopted by Crawford by the 1900 census, then Solomon and Mniicazewin must have died between 1891 and 1900. Do they appear at all on any later censuses- Solomon Piyaiyotanke?? Thanks for checking- someone with ancestry.com!
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Post by nncy58 on Jan 28, 2008 0:31:04 GMT -5
From what I see is in 1887 he is listed with grandmother( have another page which says her age is 62 not 42 like this page shows which mathches the other ones) but notice a few names below that is Solomon and Susan. Aug 27 1888 he is with Solomon and Susan June 30 1891 with Solomon and Susan June 30 1893 he is with grandmother again June 30 1895 still with grandmother Sept 13 1897 he is with just his mother Minicagewin June 30 1898 with just mother June 30 1899 with just mother July 1 1902 20 years old living alone By June 30 1904 he is married to Cora
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 28, 2008 6:55:14 GMT -5
thanks somuch friends, for your inputs into this fantasticsearch. God Bless you al.
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Post by Vicky on Jan 28, 2008 9:17:04 GMT -5
Nncy58, can you check one more thing, please? After 1900, do Solomon, Susan and grandma all vanish from the censuses? They must, if Abel/ Abraham was an orphan by 1900. And then there's the tough question. How do we find out which grandfather was condemned to hang? I have seen some of their Indian names translated into English, but what names did the families take later on, that we might find them today? I don't know that I've seen anything like that yet. Thanks everybody. Soonerborn, you have a lot of friends here!
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Post by soonerborn on Jan 28, 2008 14:52:08 GMT -5
I kept going through some items here and there, and spoke with my sister, and she reminded me of a few things. Growing up, my dad wasn't allowed to speak Sioux because his father,Abraham told him that it was now a white man's world, and that to succeed he needed to speak English. As a result my father,Eugene Crawford never fully learned the language. And with 6 uncles, and their families, catching up on family news took a long time. But my Grandma Cora Crawford did speak with my Mom Kathleen Crawford, and she told her stories. One I was reminded of, was Grandma Cora spoke of being brought back from Canada in ox carts when she was little.
As an earlier poster noted, this is a voyage of discovery, and remembrances. Later this year, when I go back to Sisseton, I will print all these entries off, and other information, and sit down with my Uncle Francis, who will be 100 years old this year, and be able to ask the proper questions. That will be a good talk.
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Post by nncy58 on Jan 28, 2008 15:16:01 GMT -5
The first one is Solomon & Susan in 1895. Notice the name piyaiotankewin also on this page(mother of Solomon?) The next one I found Susan Piya 60 years old in Marshall County Buffalo Township in 1900. She was born March 1840 widowed by 1900 1 child born 1 child alive She was born in Minnesota and also her parents were born in MN She cannot read write or speak English. Occupation is farmer Owns farm free of mortgage and has 153 farm animals. Also says her tribe is Wahpeton her father is Sisseton Her mother is Wahpeton She received alloment in 1891 That's about it for now.
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 29, 2008 11:26:18 GMT -5
nncy thanks much for your help.
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Post by nncy58 on Jan 30, 2008 13:21:15 GMT -5
While looking for ggggrandma Mrs Siyowin there was Abel and his mothers baptismal on same page. This is from the records of Iape Oyate newspaper.
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Post by wakanhotanin on Jan 31, 2008 9:54:01 GMT -5
I think I have the information you are looking for. 30 years ago I went to Regina to look at the Henry Twobear papers (R-625 Saskatchewan Archives Board). The papers are all written in Dakota. I translated some of them. Right now I have to go teach class so I will just post the good stuff now and if you want the whole the whole translation i will post it later. At Mankato they hung the Sioux. One slipped of the roap, his name was Wagiyogin (Thrush),[this has to be Cut Nose] his wife was Hanyetuhiyayewin (Passing in the Night). he is the grandfather of Abe Crawford, eden, SD. his wife is an Island Dweller (Witaotina) Thursh is half Bdewakantun and half Wahpeton. Later, Louie
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Post by Vicky on Jan 31, 2008 13:50:37 GMT -5
How fascinating, Louie! We are so blessed and honored to have you here. nncy58, Jimmy, hermin1, thank you for your help. I believe soonerborn has a good foundation here to begin the search. Bless you all!
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Post by Vicky on Jan 31, 2008 22:31:19 GMT -5
Cora Crawford's sister, Ella LaBelle-
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Post by nncy58 on Feb 2, 2008 12:22:51 GMT -5
Okay--still searching on my family tree and came across this Hanyetuhiyayewin on Cloudman's family tree. Is this the same person as Abe's grandmother? (I think my brain is going to explode pretty soon!!haha)
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Post by BIG JON on Feb 2, 2008 15:34:54 GMT -5
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