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Post by bearshield on Apr 10, 2007 18:00:59 GMT -5
I am looking for info regarding these two women as relations. I have info on Winyan as well as most Bearshields' & Williams. If you have any info to share, please and thank you!
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 13, 2007 19:58:34 GMT -5
bearcshield: I have nothing on winyanwaste., at present. It would help if you would share vithus, some vital data on her, such as birth date, place of birth, death date, place of death, and something aobut her parents and/or siblings. Was shemarried and to whom? did she have any children.
I have nothing other than what I found in the reference I cited for Indian John, in regard t his wife Lucy.
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Post by cw bearshield on Apr 23, 2007 13:56:51 GMT -5
sorry new to all of this. Here we go, I have Good woman aka WinyanWaste(d.1872) married to HawkSoldier aka Cetan Akicita(d.1864) I know of them having a child named William Bearshield aka Mato wanacanka he was married to nancy bearshield or her cane or tasagiye, no birth or death on these two. Nancys' parents were Black War bonnet aka wapaha sapa(father) & Sleepy aka Istemele(mother) these two were from lower brule no d.o.b or death date known. all of those people are on my grandfather Amos Bearshield side(12-24-1900 to 12-17-75). his wife Rebecca williams(1912-1951) parents were Lincoln williams & Francis Rattling shield aka rattling leaf or ringing shield, both rosebud sioux, there is no more info for anything after that. I hope this will suffice I appreciate your time to view and respond. Thank you!
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 23, 2007 17:09:37 GMT -5
cwbearshield: Thank you for the additional information. it will help us to help you.
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 24, 2007 4:52:14 GMT -5
here is what I was able to dig up for you:
For amos Bearshield I found himin the 1930 Us Census for Twp,103,Tripp,SD at age 29 , born@ 1901. also listed was his spouse Vivien Age 20., a
Aos's parents William Bearshield Age 65 born @ 1865 SD, moher is Elizabeth Age 59, born @ 1871 ,SD, John Bearshield Age 5- grandson and Joseph Blacksmith Age 32-Stepson(mother is Elizabeth) age 20. Others listed were Edward F. Books-oarder Age 32, and Aubrey J. Nelson, Hired Hand.
Rebecca Williams married anna Bearshield, according to Ancestry.com(I think it was a misprint)on 14 Jan ,1932, In Tripp County,SD(REf. south Dakota Marriages 1905-1949).According to ancestry.com, your Moses died 3 Aug. 1923, Tripp,SDakota.
Rebecca's Father Lincoln Williams, at age 31 yrs, and spouse Francis at age 38 yrs, were both on the 1920 Twp 40 US Census fror Mellette,SD with their children Rebecca at age 19, Kenneth age 18, Walter Age 16, Jennie Age 9, Virginia Age 7, Luella Age 5, Daniel age 3 4/12, and Michel age 3/12.
Lincoln registered for the Draft and his birth date was listed as 22 Oct.1888and he was lliving at Brown county,SD..
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Post by CW Bearshield on Apr 24, 2007 10:00:43 GMT -5
Thank you for all of that! Our family does not have much to go on, it is much appreciated! Obviously there was no info regarding who William Bearshields' parents were? On a document from long ago from the tribe it has his mom & dad as WinyanWaste aka GoodWoman & HawkSoldier aka CetanAkicita. Some other documents I reviewed at the Archives in Pierre,SD have leaned toward the notion that Winyan&Lucy M. were related? I can't make the connection. Also, I beleive William & Amos had other wives, I know my uncles&dad from amos had different mothers, I should have them listed on the previous e-mail. Does it look like we have any descendants from MN? I will see what other names and dates I can obtain, again, thank you so much!
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 25, 2007 12:29:06 GMT -5
when I wrote earlier,Ii meant for you to post all that you would be willing to share, not part of it. whowere these other wives of William and Amos bearshield?
I have never seen any documents lean before(just kidding), burt it would help if you would provide theinformation from these leaning documents that may help us to help you.
You will have to look at the pre-1962 annuity rolls to find anything on Black WArbonnet and Hawk Soldier and their wives. the other option is to check out the Census for Roseud and Lower Brule that may be on our website. inthe Census section.
You don't need this lawsuit to go visit Minnesota, I hear there are some beautiful places to see there.
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Post by BIG JON on Apr 25, 2007 23:22:19 GMT -5
NOT SURE WHERE I GOT THIS FROM, BUT I HAVE ELIZABETH/ISABELLA ST. CLAIR(ANPAHDIWIN) MARRYING
STEPHEN BLACKSMITH(1)...
JAMES JOHNSON(2)...
WM BEARSHIELD(3)...
CHARLES MOORE(4)...
HER PARENTS AS ANPAHDIWIN AND THOMAS MILLER...
NOTHING SOLID SO JUST USE IT AS A GUIDE(IT COULD BE WRONG!)...JUST SOME OLD INFORMATION I HAVE...LET ME KNOW IF I'M WRONG...
JON
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Post by poncalady on Apr 28, 2007 6:19:14 GMT -5
Is Nancy St Clair's Indian name Anpahdiwin the same name as her mother, then?
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Post by poncalady on Apr 28, 2007 7:03:45 GMT -5
Just some information on Elizabeth Isabelle St Clair:
The 1900 US Census shows she was born in April 1870 and married for 16 years. Santee Mission records show she was married to Stephen Blacksmith August 17, 1884. So she was only 14 years old when she married him. The 1910 US Census shows she had had 12 children, with only 8 alive at that time. She received an allotment in 1885.
So sad to think about how young some of these Indian girls were when they were married and having children so young. Her eldest was born October 31, 1885 and her youngest was born about 26 1/2 years later on April 3 1912. So it looks like she spent her whole life taking care of babies.
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Post by cw bearshield on Apr 28, 2007 21:27:59 GMT -5
Sorry Hermin1 but that is all the info that I have. I only know of my grandma, not the others. I grew up in MN away from where I live know in SD, so I am quite familiar, if YOU ever get a chance to visit I recommend Goosebury Falls north of Duluth, Grand Marais is also breathtaking. I only have that info to go on, it sucks but it is all the family history I have. Thanks to all that responded I will check into it and let you know. As I get to know my family more I will provide more info.
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Post by cw bearshield on Apr 29, 2007 11:42:17 GMT -5
ok i found some of my index & heirship cards from the rosebud sioux tribe, there is no info on it other than these names. I have never heard of most of these people. Frances Williams-Susan Rattling(Ringing) Shield-Fast Bull,Yellow Eyes-Tatewakanwin-Yellow Calf-Crooked Foot Julia-Crooked Foot John-Wood Woman-Bear Horse Frank-Bear Horse White Woman-Bear Horse Annie-Rebecca Bites As He Sucks-Oiuotankewakanwin-Daniel One Wing-Emma Jones One Wing-Andrew Jones-Adison Hesanimaza-Oscar Hesanimaza-Kashneya,Grabbing Bear-Solomon Nasuyazan-Joshua Crow Head-Annie Bear Horse-Takes The Bow Away(female)-that is it, the dashes represent their name beginning & ending, again all I have for these people is names, no D.O.B., Death Cert.,or where they lived. Still searching for more A.S.A.P
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Post by wapate on Apr 29, 2007 12:48:22 GMT -5
big jon this is correct acorrding to Her probate wich I have because she is my Great Grandma and I will add that she died in a nursing home in Pierre SD on July 2, 1955. wapate NOT SURE WHERE I GOT THIS FROM, BUT I HAVE ELIZABETH/ISABELLA ST. CLAIR(ANPAHDIWIN) MARRYING STEPHEN BLACKSMITH(1)... JAMES JOHNSON(2)... WM BEARSHIELD(3)... CHARLES MOORE(4)... HER PARENTS AS ANPAHDIWIN AND THOMAS MILLER... NOTHING SOLID SO JUST USE IT AS A GUIDE(IT COULD BE WRONG!)...JUST SOME OLD INFORMATION I HAVE...LET ME KNOW IF I'M WRONG... JON |
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Post by wapate on Apr 29, 2007 13:07:35 GMT -5
ponca lady Nancy was my 2xGreat Grandmother her is a little line for you; 1. myself 2. Father- Joseph C. Blacksmith Jr 3. Grand Father- Joseph C. Blacksmith Sr. 4. G.Grand Parents- Stephen Wabasha/Blacksmith and Elizabeth St.Clair/Anpahdiwin 5. G.G. Grand Mother- Nancy St.Clair Anpahdiwin 6. G.G.G. Grand Mother- Betsey Mary St.Clair aka "Old Bets" (Hazainyankewin) I hope this helps you out! wapate Is Nancy St Clair's Indian name Anpahdiwin the same name as her mother, then? |
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Post by wapate on Apr 29, 2007 13:26:06 GMT -5
hi cw from your postings it sounds like we are half cousins, cool ! I recently received some papers from the gov. on my heirship to land, and most of the names you mention here were on it, so it seems like we share Great Grand Mother Elizabeth/Isabella St.Clair (Anpahadiwin). if you contact me please be patient for my responses because I am still very swamped try to finish some urgent paper work, but I will try to check when I can, the fastest way to contact me is by email bocc@mncomm.com , I will get back to you as time allows. looking forward to hearing from you. wapate ok i found some of my index & heirship cards from the rosebud sioux tribe, there is no info on it other than these names. I have never heard of most of these people. Frances Williams-Susan Rattling(Ringing) Shield-Fast Bull,Yellow Eyes-Tatewakanwin-Yellow Calf-Crooked Foot Julia-Crooked Foot John-Wood Woman-Bear Horse Frank-Bear Horse White Woman-Bear Horse Annie-Rebecca Bites As He Sucks-Oiuotankewakanwin-Daniel One Wing-Emma Jones One Wing-Andrew Jones-Adison Hesanimaza-Oscar Hesanimaza-Kashneya,Grabbing Bear-Solomon Nasuyazan-Joshua Crow Head-Annie Bear Horse-Takes The Bow Away(female)-that is it, the dashes represent their name beginning & ending, again all I have for these people is names, no D.O.B., Death Cert.,or where they lived. Still searching for more A.S.A.P |
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Post by cw bearshield on Apr 30, 2007 1:33:06 GMT -5
Wapate: Thanks for the info cuz! Sent you an e-mail, check it out!
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Post by cw bearshield on Apr 30, 2007 17:43:09 GMT -5
Does anyone know if William Bearshield & Elizabeth/Isabella St. Clair had any children while they were married or together? The US 1930 census Hermin1 refrenced me shows Amos Bearshield as being their son but on his death cert it I have it says Nancy Her Cane was his mother. William&Elizabeth/Isabella were in their 60's by the time they were together so I doubt they had any children. If they did'nt does anyone know if that relation will still qualify you in the court systems? Or, is it blood relation only? i.e. Wolfchild. Also, I was told by Montana&Assoc. that there can be no plaintiffs, after May 15th, forever? That the judge 2 days ago filed a motion for that, if anyone knows of any Indian Law attorneys' still representing plaintiffs' I would greatly appreciate any response or current court updates. Thank you!
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Post by T Lytle on Jun 3, 2007 22:58:34 GMT -5
I am looking for some backround on my wife's birth parents and other ancestors. Her birthname was Wanda Mae Bearshield, born at Rosebud, SD, October 16, 1969. Her parents were Andrew and Emma Bearshield. She was placed in foster care and later adopted. We have 2 children together and are interested in tracing their family tree. Any info would be great.
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Post by hermin1 on Jun 4, 2007 13:38:21 GMT -5
cwbearshield: In re. to the information on the Census ,one of the coumns says to list the relationship of each person to the Head of Household. Therefore Amos Bearshield's relationship was as a son to the Head of the household-which was William. I found a William Bearshield also in an earlier US Census: 1910 for rosebud,Tripp,SD it lists William at age 45, wife is listed as Martha Age 46 and that they have been married 18 years. she had a total of 6 children, only 3 living at the tme of tis census, daughter Susie Bearshield Age 17, Amos Bearshield Age 10, and daughter Nellie Bearsield Age 7. Re. www.ancestry.com, and www.heritagequest.comNo william and Elizabeth did not have any children during their marriage. |
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Post by hermin1 on Jun 4, 2007 13:50:30 GMT -5
lytle: you need to seeif your wife 's adoptive parents have her adoption records. Another source is to the South Dakota Historical Society Archives in Pierre. another source is the Aberdeen BIA office and ask for a famiy history sheet on her parents. I can only find a marriage record for an Andrew Bearshield Age 27 who was residing at Norris,Mellette,SD, to Lydia M. Starboy age 28 at Rapid city,SD on28 June,1946. Reference is South Dakota Marriages 1905-1949. I have been unable tofind anything else on him at Ancestry.com, amd www.familysearch.org, and I searched Wisconsin,Michigan, North Dakota , and Nebraska as well as South Dakota. Also check out the rosebud Reservation Tribal Office and see what they tell you. |
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