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Post by hermin1 on Mar 4, 2007 20:25:10 GMT -5
 i am seeking information on the family of Chief Scarlet Plume aka Wambdiupiduta. He was a sub chief of the sisseton tribe. Berfore 1862,, his village was at the mouth of Big Stone Lake where the town of Orton,MN now is. He was oneof the chiefsof the sisstons who signed the Treaty of Feb.ruary of 1867. His son-in-law was Gabriel Renville(son of victor Renville and winona Abigail Crawford). I would appreciate some help here. thanks much.
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Post by Vicky on Mar 4, 2007 22:54:36 GMT -5
Hi Hermin1,
In addition to the Scarlet Plume (Wacehinduta) info I sent you, I also found at Sisseton-
Wambdiupiduta= Scarlet Eagle Feather
As far as family- I can only find a Julia Hazatainwin who was a sister of Abigail Crawford. Daughter of Wambdiupiduta and Hanyetuwin?
1877 Work list- Wambdiapaduta- Scarlet Eagle Feather
1887 census, Wamdiapaduta age 80 and Yuzigzicewin, wife, age 71.
1891 Elrod Roll, Wamdiapaduta age 68. m, Yuzigzicewin, wife, age 70, f. (These are the ages listed. I know they don‘t jive with the other census)
I sure don't know if this is the same fellow- if the "upi" and "apa" are just misspellings, or if these are two different folks. Anybody know?
Sorry I find no children with them. Do you know what last name his children took?
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Post by denney on Mar 5, 2007 0:05:00 GMT -5
ALAN R. WOOLWORTH: An Inventory of His Papers Wahpeton chief. Iron Cloud or Mahpeya Maza, 1852-1920. Iron Elk, 1911. Prominent Dakota Indian. ... Scarlet Bird or Zeetkandoota, 1858. Scarlet Plume or ... www.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00339.html search link below- www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/search/web/Chief%252BScarlet%252BPlume%252Bdakota%252Bindian/21/20/2/-/0/-/1/1/1/1/_blank/-/-/on9%25253A1173069756820/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/0/417/top/-/moderate/-/1----------------------------- Barbara Buttes letter to Kevin Grover, Assistant Secretary ... D 95-182, In the Matter of Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux (Dakota) Community of ... Scarlet Plume, Sweetcorn, Ah-kee-pah [Akipa] and the friend of Standing ... www.maquah.net/press/Buttes_letter.htmlsame link above --------------------------------- Recent Articles | The Western Historical Quarterly, 33.4 | The ... Novel: Frederick Manfred's Scarlet Plume and the Dakota War of 1862," Western American Literature 37 (Spring ... www.historycooperative.org/journals/whq/33.4/recen... new search link below- www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/search/web/Scarlet%252BPlume%252Bdakota%252Bindian/1/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1--------------------------------------- December Tidbits in Time ... period Through Dakota Eyes: Narrative Accounts of the Minnesota Indian Wars of 1862 * Gary ... Scarlet Plume Frederick Manfred, ca. www.rootsweb.com/~mnbechs/dec26.html same search link ---------------------------------------- IAP Sisseton Agency Chiefs of the Sisseton and Wahpeton bands prior to the 1862 Minnesota uprising included: Sisseton--Waanatan, Sweet Corn, Standing Buffalo, Scarlet Plume, ... www.sdhistory.org/arc/iap/arc_iap30.htm same search link ---------------------------------------- The Wigleys of Mendota - Our family tree and other matters ... of headman, such as Scarlet Plume and Standing Buffalo (Odessy of Standign Buffalo by ... www.wigley.us/ same search link ------------------------------------------- Barbara Buttes letter to Kevin Grover, Assistant Secretary ... D 95-182, In the Matter of Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux (Dakota) Community of ... Scarlet Plume, Sweetcorn, Ah-kee-pah [Akipa] and the friend of Standing ... www.maquah.net/press/Buttes_letter.html ------------------------------------------------------------- This all i found so far later i am seeking information on the family of Chief Scarlet Plume aka Wambdiupiduta. He was a sub chief of the sisseton tribe. Berfore 1862,, his village was at the mouth of Big Stone Lake where the town of Orton,MN now is. He was oneof the chiefsof the sisstons who signed the Treaty of Feb. His son-in-law was Gabriel Renville(son of victor Renville and winona Abigail Crawford). I would appreciate some help here. thanks much. |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 5, 2007 0:20:45 GMT -5
Hi Hermin1, In addition to the Scarlet Plume (Wacehinduta) info I sent you, I also found at Sisseton- Wambdiupiduta= Scarlet Eagle Feather As far as family- I can only find a Julia Hazatainwin who was a sister of Abigail Crawford. Daughter of Wambdiupiduta and Hanyetuwin? 1877 Work list- Wambdiapaduta- Scarlet Eagle Feather 1887 census, Wamdiapaduta age 80 and Yuzigzicewin, wife, age 71. 1891 Elrod Roll, Wamdiapaduta age 68. m, Yuzigzicewin, wife, age 70, f. (These are the ages listed. I know they don‘t jive with the other census) I sure don't know if this is the same fellow- if the "upi" and "apa" are just misspellings, or if these are two different folks. Anybody know? Sorry I find no children with them. Do you know what last name his children took? vicky: I'm sorry I don't have any information on his children or if he had any. But what you have found is more than I was able to find in my day long search. thanks so much for your help. |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 5, 2007 0:30:41 GMT -5
Denney : thanks to you also for your help in this search. According to the Minn. Hist. society: A relative of Scarlet Plume allegedly married a daughter(n/a) of Walking buffaalo aka chief Red wing the Second or III, and they had a daughter named Mazawin who married Waanatan s son Little charger. Iam trying to find out hwho Mazawin's parents were. My other sources tell me that this Walking Buffalo only had 2 daughters, :Mazadehdegawin andMazadehwin(tinkling Iron). There is a Mazawin and I did find her in the 1857 Annuity roll s in Minnesota, with her children, but no spouse. that is why I am trying to find information re. who was in the Scarlet Plume's family.
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Post by tamara on Mar 5, 2007 1:28:13 GMT -5
Hi Hermin1, In addition to the Scarlet Plume (Wacehinduta) info I sent you, I also found at Sisseton- Wambdiupiduta= Scarlet Eagle Feather As far as family- I can only find a Julia Hazatainwin who was a sister of Abigail Crawford. Daughter of Wambdiupiduta and Hanyetuwin? 1877 Work list- Wambdiapaduta- Scarlet Eagle Feather 1887 census, Wamdiapaduta age 80 and Yuzigzicewin, wife, age 71. 1891 Elrod Roll, Wamdiapaduta age 68. m, Yuzigzicewin, wife, age 70, f. (These are the ages listed. I know they don‘t jive with the other census) I sure don't know if this is the same fellow- if the "upi" and "apa" are just misspellings, or if these are two different folks. Anybody know? Sorry I find no children with them. Do you know what last name his children took? Wouldnt Quincy Plume be a son or descendant? Also Sisseton Court of Claims says that Scarlet Plumes own son had given testimony. They made issue (U.S.) of such relative of people like Scarlet Plume and Standing Buffalo, who another mentions in telling the court that the brother of Old Standing Buffalo resides on this reservation, referring to Devils Lake. Tamara: I honestly don't know if this i quincy is the one who gave the testimony that you mention, he would be both a son and a dependent. do You have any other info on this Quincy, like age, and if he was married , etc? |
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Post by sara on Mar 5, 2007 1:42:57 GMT -5
Walking Buffalo/ Tatankamani was rumored to have about 7 or 8 wives. So I am betting he had alot of children.
Sara
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 5, 2007 2:28:10 GMT -5
On the 1887 sisseton Land allotments Red Eagle feather was listed as 82 years old, and by himself. His wife must have died.
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Post by denney on Mar 5, 2007 2:40:16 GMT -5
found this lockwood Victor was married to Abigail (Winona) Crawford or Mazrdewin (Tinkling Iron), who was the daughter of Lewis Crawford & Mazadehdegawin (daughter of Red Wing II) users.usinternet.com/dfnels/lockwood.htm link below- users.usinternet.com/dfnels/lockwood.htmsearch link below- www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/search/web/Mazadehdegawin/1/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/1Denney : thanks to you also for your help in this search. According to the Minn. Hist. society: A relative of Scarlet Plume allegedly married a daughter(n/a) of Walking buffaalo aka chief Red wing the Second or III, and they had a daughter named Mazawin who married Waanatan s son Little charger. Iam trying to find out hwho Mazawin's parents were. My other sources tell me that this Walking Buffalo only had 2 daughters, :Mazadehdegawin andMazadehwin(tinkling Iron). There is a Mazawin and I did find her in the 1857 Annuity roll s in Minnesota, with her children, but no spouse. that is why I am trying to find information re. who was in the Scarlet Plume's family. |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 5, 2007 12:23:11 GMT -5
Denney, vicky,Tamara: you guys are awesome researchers. thanks much for your help.
vicky, re. Hazatainwin, she was the wife of Rattler(brother of Old Betsey). she and their son were both killed by the Ojibways in the Battle of Kaposia 1842.
Re. the Redwing Lineage according to Diedrich goes: Redwing who died @1805. He was succeeded by his son Walking buffalo aka Redwing !!. Walking buffalo died in 1829 and was succeeded by his son Wacouta aka Redwing the III aka Walking buffalo II. He died @1858 and was succeeded by his son Wacouta aka Walking buffalo III,aka Redwing.IV. The last is the one interned with the other Mdewakanton Dakotas at fort snelling andlater relocated to the Santee Reservation.
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Post by Vicky on Mar 5, 2007 15:04:29 GMT -5
Denney, vicky,Tamara: you guys are awesome researchers. thanks much for your help. vicky, re. Hazatainwin, she was the wife of Rattler(brother of Old Betsey). she and their son were both killed by the Ojibways in the Battle of Kaposia 1842. Re. the Redwing Lineage according to Diedrich goes: Redwing who died @1805. He was succeeded by his son Walking buffalo aka Redwing !!. Walking buffalo died in 1829 and was succeeded by his son Wacouta aka Redwing the III aka Walking buffalo II. He died @1858 and was succeeded by his son Wacouta aka Walking buffalo III,aka Redwing.IV. The last is the one interned with the other Mdewakanton Dakotas at fort snelling andlater relocated to the Santee Reservation. This is a different Hazatainwin, as this Julia received a Sisseton land allotment after 1875 and possibly as late as 1922. There was a land allotment given to Wamdinpiduta aka Red Eagle Feathers in 1875. He is listed on the 1875 land allotment list on this site- #123. What I am finding confusing, and I'm sure you kids can fill me in- is that Wambdiupiduta is Red/Scarlet Eagle Feathers, and Wacehinduta is Scarlet Plume. These are two separate individuals located in Sisseton at the same time. Which was the chief? Thank you!  |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 5, 2007 18:02:18 GMT -5
vicky: thanks for straightening me out on hazatainwin. I was thinking that maybe the name had been misspelled.
I am now back in the corner, for unintentionally leading you astray. My file card on Scarlet Plume has his name spelled Wambdiupiduta. and as it sometimes happens , I did not reference the information,so I mistakenly assumed that this was his Indian Name. But now that vicky has enlightenend me re. the true Indian name for Scarlet Plume. I stand ashamed .
I still need to find out who Scarlet Plume's family was. I thank you all lfor bearing with me in this search. My next question is , did he survive the Uprising, and get relocated to Sisseton?
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Post by Vicky on Mar 5, 2007 18:48:52 GMT -5
vicky: thanks for straightening me out on hazatainwin. I was thinking that maybe the name had been misspelled. I am now back in the corner, for unintentionally leading you astray. My file card on Scarlet Plume has his name spelled Wambdiupiduta. and as it sometimes happens , I did not reference the information,so I mistakenly assumed that this was his Indian Name. But now that vicky has enlightenend me re. the true Indian name for Scarlet Plume. I stand ashamed . I still need to find out who Scarlet Plume's family was. I thank you all lfor bearing with me in this search. My next question is , did he survive the Uprising, and get relocated to Sisseton? Oh, you are too funny! I am just confused, as I usually am! Just trying to figure out who's who. If it helps, both Scarlet Plume and Red/ Scarlet Eagle Feathers ended up at Sisseton by 1875. Would be great if someone had a probate or two, no? |
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Post by sara on Mar 5, 2007 19:16:39 GMT -5
Hermin1,
Tatankamani and Wacouta were cousins but they would have referred to each other as Brothers.
Wacouta states that it was his father and Uncle ( Tortoise and Snake) who gave Jonathan Carver the land grant in 1700's. Tatankamani stated that it was his Uncles (Tortoise and Snake that gave Jonathan Carver the land grant.
Hope this helps clear up the ongoing confusion for the RedWing family and Wacouta descendants.
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 5, 2007 21:26:19 GMT -5
Hermin1, Tatankamani and Wacouta were cousins but they would have referred to each other as Brothers. Wacouta states that it was his father and Uncle ( Tortoise and Snake) who gave Jonathan Carver the land grant in 1700's. Tatankamani stated that it was his Uncles (Tortoise and Snake that gave Jonathan Carver the land grant. Hope this helps clear up the ongoing confusion for the RedWing family and Wacouta descendants. Sara: that helps to clear it up. I read a reference trhat mentions the notes of Major Taliaferro in 1829, when Wacouta went to him and told him of Walking Buffalo's death, and that the tribe was having trouble selecting a new Chief(or Head), and Taliaferro refused to get involved in this. In this same reference it mentions that Wacouta was not considered by the tribe tobe suitable because Tatankamani had marrried a white woman. In another reference , I read that this same Wacouta was Walking Buffalo's stepson. |
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 5, 2007 21:38:54 GMT -5
okay Fellow Researchers extrordinaire and I mean it> Here is something of the wall , that got me to thinking and looking throough Old Betsey again.
Hereis my Theory or maybe it is a brain fart:
In her Genealogy, it mentions that Rattler had 2 spouses, the second being Hazatonwin aka Aunt Judy.there were no vital dates entered for her.
We know , from Diedrich's book that Rattler died @ 1850. What if it was his first wife that was killed along with one of his sons by the Ojibways in 18$2? This would leave hazatonwin (or Hazatainwin, whose dates we know) still living . Then she marriesJohn Cole and moves to sisseton? The other possibility is that there were 2 Aunt Judys?
Is this plausible or am I gonna have to go back in the corner again?
I appreciate your opinions.
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Post by mrharmon on Mar 15, 2007 15:39:05 GMT -5
Hi i have been gathering information on scarlet plume and need to find out some more. my grandmother on my mothers side was named nellie red or scarlet plume (WACIHINDUTA), and on her probate it names wacihinduta, she was born in l870 and was married, i think on the lower brule reservation, she married thomas tompkins, they both lived and died here. on the federal census itstated her dad or mom was from ogalala. i have been seqarching for records for both of them ,but not much luck, nellie was the niece of long claws or bear with long longs, i have been studing the treaties when the chiefs have signed and have seen both of their names. would appreciate any help, scarlet plume seems to pop up every where, but where did he originate from. marilyn
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 16, 2007 18:35:08 GMT -5
I have been searching in vain for information on Scarlet Plume for at least a week or so, andhaven't come up with muchof anything other than that his nephew was Gaberiel Renville(s/oVictor Renville and winona Crawford.
he was a subpchef of the Sissetos .His village in 1862 was aat thefoot of Big Stone Lake where the town of Ortley is now.
As you say youhave been checking the Us Censues, that plus the probate papers is a good staYou might try the Historical Societty At Pierre,SD and see what they may have there.
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Post by tinybrown on Sept 22, 2023 18:47:40 GMT -5
Denney : thanks to you also for your help in this search. According to the Minn. Hist. society: A relative of Scarlet Plume allegedly married a daughter(n/a) of Walking buffaalo aka chief Red wing the Second or III, and they had a daughter named Mazawin who married Waanatan s son Little charger. Iam trying to find out hwho Mazawin's parents were. My other sources tell me that this Walking Buffalo only had 2 daughters, :Mazadehdegawin andMazadehwin(tinkling Iron). There is a Mazawin and I did find her in the 1857 Annuity roll s in Minnesota, with her children, but no spouse. that is why I am trying to find information re. who was in the Scarlet Plume's family. |
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Post by tinybrown on Sept 22, 2023 18:49:34 GMT -5
I have been searching in vain for information on Scarlet Plume for at least a week or so, andhaven't come up with muchof anything other than that his nephew was Gaberiel Renville(s/oVictor Renville and winona Crawford. he was a subpchef of the Sissetos .His village in 1862 was aat thefoot of Big Stone Lake where the town of Ortley is now. As you say youhave been checking the Us Censues, that plus the probate papers is a good staYou might try the Historical Societty At Pierre,SD and see what they may have there. |
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i am seeking information on the family of Chief Scarlet Plume aka Wambdiupiduta.
