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Post by charlottekeoke on Oct 30, 2006 19:07:49 GMT -5
I'm looking for information on two names which I think are the same; The last names are Kioke and Keoke; I'm from the Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate and have done some research there through BIA records but have only been able to go back 2 generations; I recently came across the baptismal records from Santee and I came across two names John-Joseph Kioke, baptised in 1876, I believe in November and I also came across Levi Joseph Keoke whom was baptized in 1879. Does anyone have any information on these names or last name and if it was oringinally a longer name???
Pidamaya, ye, CharlotteKeoke ;D
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Post by tamara on Oct 31, 2006 11:07:36 GMT -5
Hello Charlotte good to "see" you!
I have only seen the names Levi Keoke as a minister and I dont recall in what community. Also Joseph Keoke and I am sure that was in sisseton. Vicky, on the board has just given us all a transcribed version of the 1891 Sisseton Elrod Roll. It is one that I have had but it is incomplete and therefore hard for me to work with, so her transcription has answered alot of questions for me. If you can find either Keoke on the 1900 federal census it should give an indian name for either of them. Seems so that I thought that Keoke was actually and indian name sort of like how Kampeska is. In the original spelling of the Kampeska family name it is actually something like Kampe (?sp) Ska or White Shell. Do you have a some of the family line back from around 1900 or so?
Tamara
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Post by tonilew on Nov 12, 2006 17:37:57 GMT -5
Does any one have information regarding Wakanmani and his wife Hopestinacistina(amanda)
third-bird...they had 4 children from this union. Wakanhdianawin, anpo-win (harriette) dawn
woman, marpiwinna and mary. I know that Wakanmani was called spirit walker and had 2 other children jacob grayfoot (siharota) and Makpiyakahoton(loud voiced cloud). I would appreciate any help. Thanks Curtis for the cd...
Thanks
Toni
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 14, 2006 0:01:02 GMT -5
toni: It would help if you could provide something more than just thenames. for instance, do you know any vital dta on any of these people? How about where they lived, and/or where they died.
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Post by tonilew on Nov 14, 2006 20:46:36 GMT -5
Hermin1,
All I have is Hopestinacistina (amanda) Third Bird(405) was born about 1802 in Minnesota,
Death was july 6 1894 in roberts county per probate court records she was married to Wakanmani born about 1785 in Minnesota. Death about 1865 in Minnesota. I don't know where in minnesota. I found wakanmani on the 1862 fort snelling list. I'm just starting out.
Most of this information came from rootsweb...I have emailed SandLancestors from that and he told me that this information came from an Aunt of mine , which has since passed. He could give me any more then that. So this is where I stand now. any thing would be helpful. I hope this helps a little.
Thanks
Toni
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 15, 2006 9:18:54 GMT -5
hapestinacistinna is no. 1326 on the 1891 Annuity Roll for the Sisseton-Wahpetons. Her age is listed as 91 years.
Re. Wakanmani, he was listed under Yellow Medicine's Band at Fort Snellling.there are 3 listed as being in Wakanmani's family there. Yellow Medicine is in the Western part of Minnesota, southeast of Lac Qui Parle. A good reference is the Dakota or Sioux As they were In Minnesota in 1834. Another good reference is Lac Qui Parle iIts Miissionaries, Traders and Indians, by D. Baker.these may help you locate where he may have been born.
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Post by tonilew on Nov 15, 2006 20:52:21 GMT -5
Hermin1
Could you tell me where she was in 1886 and 1889. Does she go by another name? Thanks for the information.
Toni
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Post by tamara on Nov 16, 2006 10:58:32 GMT -5
Hermin1 Could you tell me where she was in 1886 and 1889. Does she go by another name? Thanks for the information. Toni Cute, Toni! -makes me laugh a little since that is the million dollar question! Very direct and asked to the right person! If Hermin1 doesnt know, no one does! I still think I would like to follow her around all day, trying to read over her shoulder and hoping that she drops a paper to two. I think the fact that she is showing on the Sisseton 1891 Roll and died in Roberts County shows that that was probably her residence in that time period. I dont have all of the 1887 Sisseton Roll and will look to see if she was allotted land there. Again another good indication that she resided on the Sisseton Reservation. My guess is that she lived near her sons Jacob Greyfoot and Mahpiyahotanka in the Veblen area. Have you tired getting a copy of the narrative of Greyfoot? I think he was interviewed by Doane Robinson for the South Dakota Histocial Collections. (Someday I am goign to sit down and study in depth Mr Robinson, he has contributed so much to history and amazes me) He may mention his mother in it. Keep in mind that he and his brother were the ones who had rescued the captives and were called the Fool Soldiers. This is not something that I know a whole lot about yet but am also going to study. I have wanted to know more about them and keep an eye out for their history as although not my own bloodline, Ida mahpiyahotanka is the wife of Thomas A Robertson. My point is that there would be more written on the sons of spirit walker. I thought I saw a story somewhere where it told of the captives in 1862 and how they had tried to make it to the residence of Old Spirit Walker but he was not home at the time and had he been it would have made a big difference in what happened to them. In that narrative anyways it does mention the wife of Spirit Walker. Idid see in Little Crow spokeman for the Sioux that it says that he was a member of the Church and a very big influence for the church with the people before the uprising. Tamara |
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Post by sara on Nov 16, 2006 11:29:25 GMT -5
Hi,
On the 1887 Sisseton Census there is listed...
#308 Hapstinacistina in Iyakaptapi District, Single, Female, No age.
Hope this helps,
Sara
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Post by tamara on Nov 16, 2006 12:53:19 GMT -5
I would translate her name to be Little Third Born Daughter... just like mine would be HapanTanka!! LOL... all the halloween candy and weekend company cooking catching up to me.. going to top it all off with thanksgiving! my grandparents used to laugh at my niece who couldnt say her own name Alyssa and at two referred to herself at Iya... she is tall and slender now but was sort of chepa when she was two so they laughed since Iya mean a "big eater" or sort of monsterous eater! lol my sister's middle name is Naomi and she used to refer to herself as D* Macaroni!! LOL that still makes me laugh!! She doesnt enjoy that memory as much as I do...
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 19, 2006 11:47:08 GMT -5
toni: I'll be horn swaggled. I did find Wakanmani on Samuel Brown's Listing of the frontier Scout force at Fort Wadsworth, Dakota Territory. He was a regular scout. I suspect he was kiled in the performance of his duties as a scout. the scouts on the list were to hve been paid $342,778 in back annuities for the period of July 1,1862 and July,1888, which had been stopped by the Act of February in 1863. the scouts were also to be paid $18,400 annually from July,1888 to July,1901. These provisions were placed in the Indian appropriation Act of March,1891, and payment was made four months later. the original list is in Samuel Browns personal papers on file at the St. paul Historical Society in St. Paul,Minn. Fort Wadsworth was established in 1864. It ws later renamed Fort Sisseton, because there already was a Fort Wadsworth iout East. Here is the web site that tells the history of the Frontier Army Posts in the Dakotas 1860's thru 1880's: www.falmr.org/dakforts.htm The web site also has a map showing the location of the forts. I am wondering if the south Dakota Historical Society in Pierre might have more information on it.it is worth checking out. |
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Post by tonilew on Nov 19, 2006 19:26:47 GMT -5
Hermin1,
So was this payment made to Hapestincistinna. Because Wakanmani died in 1864? According to my records. So she's not on the 1886 or 1889 list?
thanks
toni
She was not paid according to my records on the 1892 Elrod list disbursements.
However, the govt. made a treaty with the Sissetons and Wahpetons in 1867, I believe and set aside two reservations for the Scouts that had served in the army: Sisseton, and the Devil's Lake reservation. I can only guess that if she had an Allotment No. at the Sisseton reservation,, that she got land allotment as the widow of her husband, Wakanmani.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 20, 2006 3:45:03 GMT -5
toni:
there is a Mary Hapstinna on the 1886 Mdewakanton l Enrollment list. Your ancestor is Amanda Hapstinnacistinna. They are not the same woman.
The only names on Samuel Brown's list were the Scouts themselves.
Yoou will have to look at the Annuity and Census records for Sisseton, available at the Sisseton Reservation Archives to find out where she was in those years you asked about. She wasn't
in Minnesota, thatis for sure.
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Post by navajo on Jan 18, 2009 14:20:20 GMT -5
Tamara
Help
My name is Beth Robertson, Iam Navajo, Sisseton Wahpeton and Yankton. About a month ago I emailed copies of old family photos to someones attention at the Sisseton-Wahpeton Historical Preservation. These were photos of my great grandfather Thomas A Robertson, Ida and son James Wabashaw Robertson (my grandfather). I have been unsuccessful via e-mail to confirm that these pictures as well as copies of an old Episcopal Marriage Service (for James and first wife Lillian Miller) and diploma for Dorothy Lillian Robertson as well as a legal document. My grandfather James W Robertson was married twice the 2nd marriage was to my Navajo grandmother. I have more pictures I would like to share but would like to confirm that the original e-mails were received before I do.
I have alot of unanswered questions I have not been able to get answers from tribal or BIA. One of these many questions is, I do not know how I am of Yankton decent. On recent land inventory sheet from small parcels of land I am inheriting from Mahpiyahontanka, Jane Anderson Robertson, James Wabashaw Robertson, Clinton Yerba Robertson and Yellow Bird One Elk. I know who everyone is except Yellow Bird One Elk (this one is the Yankton land inventiry sheet). Is it because I am Navajo enrolled or maybe the Robertsons' do not know James Wabashaw Robertson had another family in New Mexico that no one will help me.
Can you or someone else help me.
Beth Robertson
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 18, 2009 15:08:56 GMT -5
Beth: Can you give us some vital data on your ancestor? You might try the NARA in Wahsington DC. contact: mary Francis.Ronan@nara.gov and ask for hheirship records on james Wabashaw robertson. You need to give her also his Indian Name if he had one, his tribal affiliations and when he died.
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Post by navajo on Jan 18, 2009 16:24:00 GMT -5
Hermin
I know James Wabashaw Robertson did not have an Indian name he died in New Mexico 10 28 1954. My great grandfather Thomas A Robertson was Zitkanahowaste and died in Veblin South Dakota 01 30 1924. My great grandmother Ida Shortfoot Mahpiyhotanka was Lyksauksauwin and she died 01 28 1909, I think in Veblin also. My great grandfather Thomas A Robertson was the messanger/translator between Little Crow, Wabashaw Sibley.
If you need more vitals let me know. Also some of the old pictures I have are from the late 1800's and early1900's and some of these have people I do not know and maybe someone you know can identify the unknowns for me. The one of the Robertsons Indian Orchestra 1909 in Veblin has of my grandfather James Wabashaw Robertson and the other 4 people in the picture I do not know them. Four of the five in this picture are Indian but the fifth has blond hair and fair skin. And because I know that this orchastra's total members was more than this five and I have often thought that these may all be Thomas A Robertson's children.
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Post by Vicky on Jan 18, 2009 17:20:42 GMT -5
Tamara Help My name is Beth Robertson, Iam Navajo, Sisseton Wahpeton and Yankton. About a month ago I emailed copies of old family photos to someones attention at the Sisseton-Wahpeton Historical Preservation. These were photos of my great grandfather Thomas A Robertson, Ida and son James Wabashaw Robertson (my grandfather). I have been unsuccessful via e-mail to confirm that these pictures as well as copies of an old Episcopal Marriage Service (for James and first wife Lillian Miller) and diploma for Dorothy Lillian Robertson as well as a legal document. My grandfather James W Robertson was married twice the 2nd marriage was to my Navajo grandmother. I have more pictures I would like to share but would like to confirm that the original e-mails were received before I do. I have alot of unanswered questions I have not been able to get answers from tribal or BIA. One of these many questions is, I do not know how I am of Yankton decent. On recent land inventory sheet from small parcels of land I am inheriting from Mahpiyahontanka, Jane Anderson Robertson, James Wabashaw Robertson, Clinton Yerba Robertson and Yellow Bird One Elk. I know who everyone is except Yellow Bird One Elk (this one is the Yankton land inventiry sheet). Is it because I am Navajo enrolled or maybe the Robertsons' do not know James Wabashaw Robertson had another family in New Mexico that no one will help me. Can you or someone else help me. Beth Robertson Hello Beth, I am not with the preservation office, but you did email some photos to me awhile back. Would you like me to post them here? Maybe someone would recognize them? They are beautiful photos. Let me know. I'd be happy to help. Vicky |
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Post by navajo on Jan 18, 2009 18:03:24 GMT -5
Vicky
Yes if you would. My husband had all intentions to do this but he is very busy. I recall e-mailing the pictures to you. Could you please use the last on I sent with corrected spelling of James middle name. Let me know when and where I can find them on the Oyate site.
Thank You
Beth Robertson
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Post by Vicky on Jan 18, 2009 18:10:18 GMT -5
I am posting them in the "Sioux Pictures" section, in the "Sisseton Photos" thread. ;D
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Post by allie on Jan 18, 2009 18:58:32 GMT -5
Beth, have you checked the name "One Elk." Maybe he's the one that descends from the Yankton band. If you were checking One Elk's wife "Yellow Bird", you were missing half the information or maybe it's "Yellow Bird" that descends from the Yankton's. Good luck!
Allie
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