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Post by Jimmy on Sept 20, 2006 19:48:12 GMT -5
I have a hunch that Julia (1869-1897), the 1st wife of Antoine Trudell, may actually be the daughter of Henry Wambdisun and Nancy Bloodgood. This would make her Antoine's 1st cousin. Does anybody know this to be true? Is there documentation for this?
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Post by peacekeeper on Sept 20, 2006 20:13:12 GMT -5
hi jimmy. i believe that i did see 2 nancy bloodgoods when i was helping mikey kitto. one was mother, the other was a daughter. the only other child to my memory was cecelia bloodgood. have i got it right mikey?
jackie
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Post by hermin1 on Sept 20, 2006 23:29:10 GMT -5
I don't know if this wil hlep but here is what I found:
Heirship for Mazanonpawin, allot. #85 Report on Heirship dated Nov. 11, 1912:
Mazanonpawin died Aug. 20, 1904, Age 61 years.
Heirs were determined to be:
Cecelia Wilson- daughter
Nancy Ross-Rouillard died on Jan. 21, 1909 leaving the following survivors:
Oliver rouillard-husband and children by Husband: Mary Rouillard-Mitchell, Mable Rouillard-Mitchell, Peter rouillard, George rouillard
Daughter by prior Marriage: Anna Rose Trudellll
Granddaughters by her deceased daughter, Julia E. Trudell.
This is the data I copied from the report.
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Post by hermin1 on Sept 21, 2006 0:00:33 GMT -5
When did antoine Trudell marry Julia? Could someone please provide the date and where the marriage took place?
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Post by hermin1 on Sept 21, 2006 0:04:29 GMT -5
jackie: Yes there were 2 Nancy Bloodgoods, mother and daughter. The daughter married mr. Ross then she married Oliver Rouillard. Nancy, the mother, though also had a daughter Julia E.,who married a Trudell, according to the heirship report.l.
My next question is, Henry was married to Nancy Bloodgood, mother or Nancy, her daughter? I don'thave an Indian name for the daughter, if someone would please enlighten me on this.
Thanks for your patience, and information.
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 21, 2006 6:23:43 GMT -5
Antoine Trudell and Julia were married 30 October 1885 in Knox County, Nebraska. Julia is listed as Julia Wambean, and her father as Wambean. Her mother's name was not given. Wambean is similar to Wambdisun, but I have also seen her name as Julia Bloodgood, which was the name of Henry Wambdisun's wife. Do you think Wambean is really Wambdisun, or is there a man called Wambean?  |
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 21, 2006 6:25:08 GMT -5
By the way, I have Julia's Indian name as Mazakahuhuzewin. I don't know what it means, and unfortunately, I can't remember where I got it.
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Post by bazilecreekhusker on Sept 21, 2006 6:45:46 GMT -5
Go for it, JIMMY. You are such a welcome addition to this forum! Pidamiya.
I am preparing a longer answer to your post and I will submit it tonight.
MIKE
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Post by bazilecreekhusker on Sept 21, 2006 8:54:53 GMT -5
Jimmy, you state:
“I have a hunch that Julia (1869-1897), the 1st wife of Antoine Trudell, may actually be the daughter of Henry Wambdisun and Nancy Bloodgood. This would make her Antoine's 1st cousin. Does anybody know this to be true? Is there documentation for this?”
Later:
“Antoine Trudell and Julia were married 30 October 1885 in Knox County, Nebraska. Julia is listed as Julia Wambean, and her father as Wambean. Her mother's name was not given. Wambean is similar to Wambdisun, but I have also seen her name as Julia Bloodgood, which was the name of Henry Wambdisun's wife. Do you think Wambean is really Wambdisun, or is there a man called Wambean?
Noting this sentence of your statement in particular: “…but I have also seen her name as Julia Bloodgood, which was the name of Henry Wambdisun's wife.”
Do you have documentation that Nancy Bloodgood was married to Henry Wambdisun?
I am so very hopeful that you do have the documentation: More than one person (namely Johnson REDOWL) was mistaken. HAH!!!!!!!
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 21, 2006 14:59:57 GMT -5
I am trying to find where Nancy was listed as Bloodgood. I'm still looking, but I did find this in the Santee Agency Baptismal Register: She is listed as Nancy Wakinyantowin, and her parents are listed as Tunkanahnaman and Mazasawinsuwin (the names were hard to read, but I think that was pretty close).  |
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 21, 2006 15:17:20 GMT -5
This shows Julia's last name as Bloodgood, and her mother as Nancy Bloodgood.  |
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 21, 2006 15:34:30 GMT -5
Here is Nancy Bloodgood in the 1890 census. Not sure if this is the correct Nancy Bloodgood though, she has a different Indian name. But the name is similar to the name listed on Julia's baptism. Okay, after looking at the information that Hermin1 gave, the Indian name looks to be exactly the same as listed on the probate record. So this Nancy Bloodgood IS the mother of Julia Bloodgood. Hermin1 shows that she died in 1904, but the Nancy who married Henry Wambdisun was still alive when the 1920 federal census was taken. I think I am more confused now than I was earlier. Then who was Wambean?  |
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 21, 2006 16:50:32 GMT -5
“I have a hunch that Julia (1869-1897), the 1st wife of Antoine Trudell, may actually be the daughter of Henry Wambdisun and Nancy Bloodgood. This would make her Antoine's 1st cousin. Does anybody know this to be true? Is there documentation for this?”
The Mazanonpawin probate record states: “Allottee had three husbands, all Whitemen, and one child from each.”
My genealogical chart, simply states: “White – man (Unknown)”
May you be guided well in your search and when you find records that my Great-Great (GG) Grandmother’s husbands are indeed Mdewakanton, please share them with me.
I believe that GG Grandmother married a “Bloodgood” first, and kept that name as her name. (Reason: The father’s name did not carry through with either the male child or female child.) Mdewakanton females were “wed” at a young (to us) ages, and I believe the young women may have incorporated their husband’s name into their name.
The Santee Baptismal (1843-1904) pages 288-289:
Wabasha, MN 1861
Antoine Trudell
Born: Hastings Minnesota March 17, 1859
Parents: Francis and Mary Trudell
Santee Agency NE
Julia Bloodgood
Born: 1867
Died: Sept. 6, 1897
Parent: Nancy Bloodgood
OMMS
Santee Agency NE Nov. 3, 1899
Julia Emily
Born: Aug. 6, 1899
Parents: Antoine and Julia Trudell
I see on my BRILL supplied genealogy that my GGM Cecelia Wilson’s sister Nancy Bloodgood married an OLIVER Trudell, after her first husband Charles Ross died.
I suppose that scenario may be so. We lost many relatives fighting the wasicu’, dying while being forced to march to the concentration camp, dying in prison, dying just because the wasicu’ was very vengeful, and finally European diseases took their toll. I truly hope someone adds to this thread with the answers.
Your cousin,
MIKE
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 21, 2006 17:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 21, 2006 19:41:26 GMT -5
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 21, 2006 21:01:54 GMT -5
Thanks, Jimmy.
Although we are still in the dark about GGGM Mazanonpawin's husbands.
MIKE
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 21, 2006 21:11:16 GMT -5
Well, Julia's marriage record specifically states that her father was Wambean, so he must have been one of her husbands.
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 21, 2006 22:02:32 GMT -5
Whoever Wambean, although I read the name as "Wambeau" happened to be. We are still wondering who her husbands were.
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 22, 2006 17:33:13 GMT -5
From the Santee Mission Register, Book 1, page 410 I found this marriage: Charles Ross and Nancy Bloodgood, married 4 December 1881 at Santee Agency, by W. W. Fowler.
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Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 22, 2006 17:48:33 GMT -5
"I see on my BRILL supplied genealogy that my GGM Cecelia Wilson’s sister Nancy Bloodgood after her first husband Charles Ross died, she married OLIVER Trudell."
This Nancy is Nancy Jr.
Cousin,
Do not give up. I am cheering for you.
MIKE
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