Brown family "Mary Grayface"

[lucy]

Dose anyone have any info on Jonathan and Adelle Brown. According to Baptismal records they were the parents of Mary Brown "Takukagewin". These records were found at the historical society in Sioux Falls. Mary married John Grayface "Ita'hota". We would like to find out where they were from. Jonathan may have worked as a teamster " wagon or stagecoach driver" in Nebraska. I looked on 1902 santee census and there are several Browns listed.

Also, could someone translate the Indian names?

[hermin1]

::)Here is what I have on the name, Mary Brown in my Index:
1. Mary Brown married to Charles St. Clair Apr. 13,1891, at Santee(Ref. Santee Marriage Register)
2.Mary Rose Brown: Born 3 Apr. 1909 and died 18 Sept. 1984. Buried at Congregational Cemetery,Santee, NE

3.Ref: 1902 Register of Santee Indian Families list following:
Mary G. Brown,nee Genick Age 33 1/2 lood. Parents: Anthony Genick-deceased, and Rosalie
Genick(#328 on 1902 Register of Santee Indian Families). Mary's Spouse(1): N/A; Spouse(2) John Brown the son of James Brown. children: Thomas Brown Age 1 1/4 Blood.
You said you have baptismal records. the records should mention a birthdate for the Person(s). Without at least a date, you won't get anywhere, especially with a surname as common as Brown.

[lucy]

Hermin,

The records did not indicate any age but it was in 1870 when she was baptized and it listed her parents. My son found John grayface on the civil war registry and according to that information Mary was receiving a widow civil war pension and it was dispersed to her at Santee Neb. up until 1900.

Lucy

[mona]

relative lucy, on the dakota names, taku means what, like when you say taku eniciyab he, means what do they call you, i don't know what kage means but i'll ask my aunty today. ite means face and hota mean gray but pronounced guttural h.

[hermin1]

Lucy: I will try again with what you have posted. You may have to send to Washington ,DC to get John Grayface's service record. Did your son go to the Civil War database? this dtabase will tell us what unit he was in, and which state he was from.
Cross your fingers.

[hermin1]

Lucy:I almost forgot, did Mary Brown get baptized in Santee, or elsewhere?

[hermin1]

I just got off of Ancestry.com. The only listing I can find for either Mary or John Grayface is that Pension record. I went to the Civil War database and plugged in the information re. John, but got nada.The database says there is no record for him serving in the Civil war. I checked the Listing ro Indian Scouts and Soldiers, and his name does not appear on it either. but there are several Browns listed along with their descendants, if they had any.
Contrary to what you mentioned regarding this pension, John's widow would have continued to receive the pension until her death.

[hermin1]

Nor could I find anything on Mary Brown Grayface's parents.

[lucy]

Hermin,

I will see if my son can scan the info he has an send it to you . He also was talking to a woman in DC, at the time he printed the information.

Lucy

[lucy]

Mona,

Thanks for the info. Were going to keep plugging away alittle at a time. There is so much information to sift through it just take time and patience, which we have alot of.

Lucy

[hermin1]

Lucy here is my Email address: [e-mail].
It may help,if you could tell me to which persons on the 1886/89 listings you are trying to link to. this way we can search forwards from them and see what we come up with.

[lucy]

Hermin,

We have been told by family members that Rachel Ray" Mahpiyaskinyewin, wife of David Ray "Tonwanojanjan" was Henry Clouds daughter. Rachel was baptized Cath olic at Marty in 1930 shortly before she passed. There was not any info as far as who her parents were on that baptism. We have run into dead ends when looking. We cannot find anything on Rachel or David Ray as far as who their parents were. The 1900 census say that his mother was from Minn. then also Joesph Larouche who we think his father was Baptiste Larouche. We do not have any information on Joesph Mother.

We have ran into so many dead ends that we thought we would start working back-words to see what we could find.

Mary Grayface was baptize Episcopal in 1870 by Rev. Joesph Good Teacher, John and her were married in the Yankton Agency church on Jan7, 1872 and received into Hill church from the Episcopal on May 28, 1882.

We are looking and if it goes back that my children are LD's it would be great. If it doesn't then they will have a great family history to pass on.

Lucy

[hermin1]

::)Lucy: I do have some stuff on a Henry Cloud from the 1880 Census for Eagle Creek,Scott County Minn. It lists:
Henry Cloud, Age 58, Laborer, born Minn., parents born Minn.
Catherine Cloud, wife, Age 52, born Minnesota. Parents born Minn.
Maksan(sp), son Age 18, born Minn.
Kate Bluestone, Mother,Age 74 born Minn. Parents born Minnesota.

I also have some data from the 1880 Census for Moody county,Dakota Territory on another Henry cloud:
John b. cloud-Head, AgeAge 35, Born Minn.,Parents born Minn.
Agnes Cloud-wife,age 40, she and parents born Minn.
Jane Cloud-dau., age 2, born Dakota.

Here is what I have on the LaRocque Family Line
(Reference: allusers.usinternet.com/Larocque-zip.htm):

Augustin I La Rocque,aka Rock,aka Roc aka Rocque aka Rouche is the Patriarch;
born 1770's died after 1846
Parents: N/A
Spouse(1) Agatha born 1784 Dubuque,IA
Parents: her father was member of a Fox tribe, her mother was a Dakota.
Spouse(2): Helen aka Wakan Winona
Parents: N/A
Children:
Augustin II born @1807, died @1860.his spouse was a Menominee woman. No information on her parents. Their children were;
Teresa born @1820;her spouse was Oliver Monnette
Pauline born 1823/31 a
Jean Baptiste Born 1828
Catherine born @1809. spouse(1)Francoise Lapointe;Spouse(2) Mitchell Lariviere.
Francoise Born @ 1810
Louis born @ 1813. Spouse Nancy Campbell(d/o Duncan Campbell and therese,widow of Alfred Hudson.
Angelique
Joseph: born 1807/10 died: N/A ;Parents: Augustin LaRoque I and either Agatha or Helen. His spouse was Madeline Robinson. Madeline's father was a trader, and her mother was a Dakota/Fox woman.their Children were:
Joseph II Born @1840
Baptiste Born @ 1841
Matilda Born @1844
Josephine born @1847
Louis-Joseph born @ 1848
Leander born @1853

Your explanation posted today re. David Ray and Rachel is very vaque, if not confusing, to say the least.

It seems to me, that you really don't know who you should be trying to connect to. this is not unusual, as I have been helping a woman from the Native Family Resources Center with her family tree, and she only knew who her father and mother were and her grandmother's name. she didn't even know who her grandfather was. It took some time and and patience but I was able to trace her family back to her great great great grandparents.

I spent three hours at ancestry tonight, plugging in what information you posted re. the Rays, Clouds, and LaRouches, and also the Browns. What i just posted is all I have been able to find, other than that Penmsion record.

[bruledude04]

the problem may be partly because your not spelling Joseph La Roche's name wrong it's not Larouche. ;D

[lucy]

;D Thanks brule dude for the clarification on that. I think it was spelled many different ways through the years that have past.

Lucy