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Post by tamara on Mar 31, 2006 23:19:57 GMT -5
Job Ninayopte is a name that I would like to request information on. He is seen on the Sisseton Annuity Rolls and as a signer on the last page of the 1891 roll. The family has a probate with him as the father of Simon Kirk. It is known that he was sent to Davenport Iowa and he may be listed on the list Sara posted of Those that "did not fire".
Tamara
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Post by sara on Apr 1, 2006 10:39:00 GMT -5
Hi Tamara, I did look him up, he is on the lists of prisoners as well as his trial record. I will post that later tonight. I am heading to the Davenport Library, they have the old Museum records in the basement and I found were they made mention of some of the skelital remains of Dakota Prisoners. They were using several dakotas remains for medical reference. They were comparing them to the skelital remains they were finding in mounds up and down the Mississippi River valley. In the book I read the other day at the library it stated they were comparing three Sioux Prisoners skelital remians with the Mound builders, They said one Sioux was about 5' 7", the other 5' 8", and the last was 6'. This contradicts what the Museum has always told us. They said they only had 23 skulls of who they thought were Dakota Prisoners. I am sure there are more reference to them so I need to start looking in the several dozen books they have now at the Library.
Anyway, I will email you with Ninayopte info tonight. Sara
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 1, 2006 10:59:38 GMT -5
What is the translation for his surname? When was he born? when did he die? Who was his spouse(s)? Did he have any other children besides Simon Kirk?what do you have on Simon Kirk? if yes, Names,Ages, date of death? the information you provide will give you leads touse in your search.
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Post by tamara on Apr 1, 2006 16:40:31 GMT -5
NettieB was very helpful and telling me that Job is the father of a Jacob Wilson and that his mother was Antpetuwakwin. I am wondering if that is Ampetuwakanwin.
Job shows in the 1891 annuity roll as being 52 years of age and therefore born in 1839 or so. Nancy shows as his wife on this roll.
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Post by santee1961 on Apr 1, 2006 18:41:53 GMT -5
Sara and Tamara, Look at information regarding The Mayo Clinic. Three years ago I read the first Dr. Mayo (his two sons started the Mayo Clinic ~ or expanded their father's practice?) who was a physician in Minnesota taught anatomy and physiology to his sons by using the body of one of the Dakota men who was hung at Mankato. I can't remember if they gave the name of the Indian man whose body they took. I believe there may have been several bodies that had similar outcomes. I remember thinking how horrible that they were not able to have a proper burial and wondered whether or not there was closure for their families. I have been and am a patient there and part of me is at odds with this fact of the clinic's history. It is an ironic point in history as I was told they currently see and treat quite a few native people especially the tribes from Minnesota.
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Post by tamara on Apr 1, 2006 21:36:02 GMT -5
Santee, How interesting that you would mention this. I found out at 12:30 AM last the name of my ancestor paternal side. It is Itazipa and the date of his death was December 26, 1862. I looked in the notes of the GED com file and it said Mankato. I was very impacted by this and it hadnt occurred to me that part of the story. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Now I would recommend that you not dwell on that part of it for the time that you are there. There really are so many attrocities attatched to so many places and things that one really wouldnt be able to go anywhere with out touching some sort of terrible history involving our people. The Mayo brothers have passed on or else I would support the idea of a "sit down" with them and the medical personnel there should not be held accountable in thought or feeling for their actions. Mayo is a pretty incredible place and great things happen there and my own knowledge through others has been of great care and expertice. Sometimes it seems best to acknowledge, and then carry on in a positive way. I have found such strength in the ancestors, I dont really know why, but to look back and learn from them, and know that we are a result of their own struggles, hardships and happinesses, has always seemed to give me power to carry on in a good way. Know that you are in my thoughts and a part of all my good wishes.
Tamara
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Post by santee1961 on Apr 1, 2006 22:43:16 GMT -5
I am actually very grateful to the clinic but there is irony attached to their origins and their beginnings. When I first went there three years ago, I had not found out much more than some basic knowledge and names of our Dakota family. I just have such empathy for that soul who was viewed as acceptable to conduct research on instead of being allowed the dignity of a proper burial. I do wish that all places who have had such questionable beginnings were doing such good works now.
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Post by sara on Apr 2, 2006 8:52:12 GMT -5
Several years ago when I found out what Dr Mayo had done with the Dakota. I immediately searched for the Mayos cemetary and there grave site. I wanted to dig them up. I still have a file on them I believe. I was really going to try and do it. I decided researching and sharing would be a better way.
Dr Mayo was not the only doctor to claim the Dakotas bodies after the hanging. A Dr. from Germany and the east coast got to claim bodies. One I heard was taken to Germany. Ambrose Little Ghost told me that London had Dakota remains from the 38, but know medicine man would go and claim them because of the bad spirits that may surround it. That is what I heard, I have not seen any written documents yet.
Sara
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Post by tamara on Apr 2, 2006 12:38:04 GMT -5
This story has been told in my family for years in terms of at the hanging of the 38 the youngest was our "relative". There is also oral history regarding one called Tategagewin. My dad says that the ancestors of the early part of the 1900's are the ones that had told these stories. I had gone to the cemetery where my ancestors are buried and found the son of the one hung in Mankato to have had a child that passed away and the headstone transcription shows the child's name (that shows on 1891 annuity roll) and the parents Mary and Albert (later Nelson) NAPESNIDUTA. Napesni duta is a name that is told in a story in our family but the story has centered around a man injured in a battle and how the blood ran over his horse and that the horse still carried him and was not afraid. He later is said to have died of this injury along the Canadian border. I know that there is a Napesni who died there in Mankato but the stories don t match up. I have been so saddened by this. It hurts to think of. I picture my grandpa and his own grandfather telling him about the death of his father at Mankato. Amazing how the oral histories survive and now it is up to our generation to gather the details. I feel as strongly about where his body/remains may be as you speak, Sara. I also had an ancestor that I originally thought was buried at Canton Insane Asylum, and later found that he had been moved to Yankton and it is there he is buried. He was injured and that resulted in him being placed in such a place. I am a little relieved but not satified for the other remains that are there at Canton and now they play golf over the graves. My ancestor could have been there. Back to the Mankato 38. I am going to need to contact Flandraue and see if the letters might hold some clues. I need to study the trial and look for the family of Wind Maker or tategagewin. It is a name my brother carries. My own is Iyomakipiwin and is said to mean Pleasant Woman or Pleasing Woman.... but on this subject there in nothing pleasant about me.
Tamara
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Post by santee1961 on Apr 2, 2006 20:51:10 GMT -5
I know there was mention of other bodies that were taken and there was a general reference of there being a huge "Opportunity" for the scientists/doctors of this period who were able to have a "hands on" experience unlike any they were able to to receive during their training. I guess! I have a friend who has shown articles of many places who have remains/artifacts, etc. of indigenous people that are stored in drawers and museums, etc. In my family there is the story of how our ggggrandfather helped bury Sitting Bull after a few days because they were afraid to go near him as he was associated with bad spirits. I just feel that those who have passed on should have a level of respect that just doesn't allow for placement in drawers or boxes in a museum.
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Post by chaskeboy on Apr 3, 2006 15:58:39 GMT -5
Sara and Tamara, Look at information regarding The Mayo Clinic. Three years ago I read the first Dr. Mayo (his two sons started the Mayo Clinic ~ or expanded their father's practice?) who was a physician in Minnesota taught anatomy and physiology to his sons by using the body of one of the Dakota men who was hung at Mankato. I can't remember if they gave the name of the Indian man whose body they took. I believe there may have been several bodies that had similar outcomes. I remember thinking how horrible that they were not able to have a proper burial and wondered whether or not there was closure for their families. I have been and am a patient there and part of me is at odds with this fact of the clinic's history. It is an ironic point in history as I was told they currently see and treat quite a few native people especially the tribes from Minnesota.
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Post by chaskeboy on Apr 3, 2006 16:14:42 GMT -5
Dr. William Mayo removed the body of Marpiya-oki-najin, who was also known as "Cut Nose," from the mass grave along the river. He used the remains to teach anatomy to his two boys. (See Mayo's book)
Stands In the Midst of Clouds was the leader of the soldier lodge known as the "Red Owl Feather Society." He assumed leadership after the death of Hinhanduta, Red Owl, who passed away about 1861.
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Post by tamara on Apr 3, 2006 16:35:03 GMT -5
Chaske
Do you know anything about a Napesni society or Fearless? How about any of the names I mentioned above? They descend down to Moses St John's wife Elizabeth Nelson. I just started on this and I have you on the short list of excellent Dakota Historians to ask!
Tamara
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Post by tamara on Apr 5, 2006 1:17:38 GMT -5
So according to other family oral history, there where two who died there. The family story is that my grandparents are said to have told my father and uncle that their grandmother used to cry every Christmas about this. I am still stunned at the possibility, but I am sure we wouldnt be the first family to find that events weren't actually as we thought they were.
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