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Post by swootz on Feb 23, 2006 9:52:44 GMT -5
| Your name: | swootz | | Name(s) to be searched: | Cekpawin, Elizabeth Starr Arpan | | State and towns: | South Dakota | | Baptismal search: | no, She was bapitzed by Rev. J.P. Williamson in 1871 | | Email is optional: | sewwhatembsd@aol.com | | Extra comments: | I am looking for my ggg-grandmother. She was a full blood who grew up at Yankton. She married a fur trader by the name of Peter Arpan. They lived at Union Co. until she got her allotment in Stanley Co. They later moved to Cheyenne River. She was a twin but I don't know who her parents or siblings are. We were told by the Elders that she is related to the Goodthunders or Henry Cloud but can't find any info. on this. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 23, 2006 11:33:55 GMT -5
swootz: I have some goodthunders in my index, but none of them mention any Arpans,or the surname Starr.I also have 3 Cekpawins in my index, but none of them named Elizabeth.
Re. the surname Arpan. You will find some Arpans at the Lower Brule Agency,and I would suggest you search the surname Estes, because one of the offspring of Benjamin estes,I believe married an Arpan. I will see what I can find for youat my genealogical web sites that I haunt.
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Post by swootz on Feb 23, 2006 12:39:20 GMT -5
My great grandmother wrote in the family bible that Elizabeth's mother's name was Dressing Cloud. I can't find out anything about her either.
Thanks for your help.
Swootz
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Post by bordeauxblood69 on Feb 23, 2006 15:54:10 GMT -5
hello my name is Delbert Arpan I too am looking for Info on Elizabeth Starr, the Froin, Arpan Cekpawin, Halpin, twin woman and them some wow, I have a certificate of marriage dated Oct 9th 1865 Union County.I also have a hand written letter but unsure of who wrote it.
It says I was born Sept 1st 1888 married Sept 16 1908 At Van Metre ?? I'm guessing only cause I cant read the writting. She goes on saying grandpa Livermont's mother name is Lilly LaClair. Dad's grandma Is gg or ggg grandmother Mary Iron ceder or Iron Ceder woman is what I have on her. and mothers grandmother's name was Dressing cloud . Which I believe to be Elizabeth Starr (Arpan) Grandmother So it would go from Josephine Livermont (cudmore), Millie Arpan livermont, Elizabeth Starr Arpan, Dressing Could. So I'm thinking that Josephine was the one who wrote this letter.
now I also recieved an email on Elizabeth Starr land allottment in Chamberlain SD, but in thte email she stated that no one could tell them at BIA what that means so I have the BIA in Eagle Butte looking into this for me also looking for any info on her in Yankton, Sesseton, and in CrowCreek so I hope I get some good news out of this. If anyone should get anymore info on this Please do let me know what you hav and I would gladly give what info I have as well
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 23, 2006 17:13:21 GMT -5
bordeauxblood69: Do you have a photoediting program on your computer? Scan the documents and see if you can clean them up, or sharpen the details, with that program. Also you should also get copies made on acid-free paper at a copy center. You can also buy acid-free copy paper and scan the documents and copy onto the paper.You need to protect those documents from Ultraviolet light as much as possible.
go to your local library or LDS Fam. History Center, where you can log on to their search program and also Ancestry for free and search for your relatives there.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 23, 2006 17:24:09 GMT -5
swootz: Ancestry only has a family tree for Peter and Elizabeth Arpan which shows that they had a son Ernest( born Jun 1873 in Cheyenne Agency, Dewey,SD), who married Angelique Virginia Ducheneaux. Angelique's mother Sophia Le Compte was thedaughte was the daughter of Eulalia Leclerc Leclair b. 1833 and died 12 May 1921, and Louison L LeCompte born 6 Sept. 1830 and died 28 Apr. 1900.
Ernest and Angelique were married Jun 1897 at Fort yates, Sioux, ND. They had 3 children: Louise Hattie Arpan b. 1897, Eliza Arpan born Dec. 1899, and Catherine Arpan born 1902.all threewere born at the Cheyenne Agency, Dewey,SD.
You mentioned that the name Dressing Cloud was written in a bible, is that all that is written, just the name< or are there dates also? I can't plug just her name in to my search engines, I need dates.
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Post by swootz on Feb 23, 2006 21:20:32 GMT -5
Hermin1: the page in the bible, my great grandmother, Josie Livermont, wrote: mother's grandmother's name was Dressing Cloud. Elizabeth & Peter Arpan had 12 children. 5 died before 1899. Elizabeth died in Feb. 1899 and Peter died Oct. 1899. Elizabeth was born in 1847. She married when she was about 13 years old. Peter owned land in Union Co, SD when they were married. On the 1910 Cheyenne River census, under Elizabeth's sons name, Earnest Arpan, it lists his mother as born in Minnesota. There is also some connection with the family to the Sisseton Wahpeton Tribe. Elizabeth's daughter, my gg-grandmother Millie Arpan Livermont received an annuity payment in 1909. All of Elizabeth's children were enrolled at Cheyenne River so we can't figure out who at Sisseton we might be related to. I have Elizabeth's probate but it doesn't list parents or relatives besides her children and grandchildren.
Thanks for your help.
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Post by swootz on Feb 23, 2006 21:22:09 GMT -5
Hermin1: the page in the bible, my great grandmother, Josie Livermont, wrote: mother's grandmother's name was Dressing Cloud. Elizabeth & Peter Arpan had 12 children. 5 died before 1899. Elizabeth died in Feb. 1899 and Peter died Oct. 1899. Elizabeth was born in 1847. She married when she was about 13 years old. Peter owned land in Union Co, SD when they were married. On the 1910 Cheyenne River census, under Elizabeth's sons name, Earnest Arpan, it lists his mother as born in Minnesota. There is also some connection with the family to the Sisseton Wahpeton Tribe. Elizabeth's daughter, my gg-grandmother Millie Arpan Livermont received an annuity payment in 1909. All of Elizabeth's children were enrolled at Cheyenne River so we can't figure out who at Sisseton we might be related to. I have Elizabeth's probate but it doesn't list parents or relatives besides her children and grandchildren.
Thanks for your help.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 24, 2006 3:22:30 GMT -5
swootz: you aren't kidding about the Arpans. I found Arpans in Charles-Mix,SD and several other counties in SD, including Yankton. that is where I found that Arpan that had married one of the daughters of Benjamin Estes.I am sorry I couldn't remember his name.
I forgot to mention that the Arpans,at least one branch of them came to the US from Canada, which makes me wonder if Peter being a trader might have been French.
thanks for the dates for Elizabeth. I hope this will make ancestry.com wake up and die right.
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Post by swootz on Feb 24, 2006 9:28:12 GMT -5
Thanks for looking into this for me. Peter was born in Canada. He got his US citizenship in the 1860s. On Elizabeth's & Peter's marriage license in 1865, Elizabeth went by the name Eliza. On land records in Union Co., she was known as Mary. On her probate, it lists Elizabeth. I think she took these names after she got married and had another name before that. The problem is, is what did she go by besides Cekpawin? It is very frusterating because we cannot find anything about Elizabeth before she was married. What a mystery!!!
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 24, 2006 16:03:31 GMT -5
swootz that is an understatement. I have at least 3 Cekpawins now in my files.the problem with Ancestry and the other genealogy web sites, is that you can find a man easier than a woman,becasue a manrarely changes his surname. Women's surnames change when they marry.Tht is why I wrote that if you don't know what their married surnme was, you're s.o.l as far as Ancestry.com is concerned.
Now Family search is better for tracking a female.But here, their records are deplorably poor in quantity re. Native Americans,and other ethnic groups, ie. the Greeks.
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