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Aug 24, 2009 16:02:11 GMT -5
Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Aug 24, 2009 16:02:11 GMT -5
Looks like the Jury may be summoned Posted on August 24th, 2009 by Lynn Dartez * Posted by a settler in Judea on August 24, 2009 at 7:50am in American Grand Jury Say hallelujah! Everyone check this out….sounds like our Obama has a BIG problem on his hands. This is going to get VERY interesting… Subject: Fw: Obama may end up in jail…His transcript from Occidental College was just released Finally, a real effort to see if OBAMA is a citizen by the US Supreme Court. Keep this in prayer, for the Truth to be revealed !!!!!!!!! Obama received special fellowship scholarships to college by claiming to be a foreigner. Also, The Supreme Court has now agreed to heararguments regarding his citizenship… READ ON … AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Britain’s Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records . Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter. LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS THE MEDIA WON’T EMBRACE! American Grand Jury REF: www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3082
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Aug 24, 2009 16:03:26 GMT -5
Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Aug 24, 2009 16:03:26 GMT -5
I did not comment on this story for obvious reasons. I want the OYATE to be informed. MIKE
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Aug 28, 2009 0:44:46 GMT -5
Post by jazzdog on Aug 28, 2009 0:44:46 GMT -5
Oh, here we go again. To post this material on this site despite it's absolute lunacy, is irresponsible and seems to be catering to the rightwing fringe elements of the less stable of the racist psychos, that have no concept of their own corporate/wish-to-be-rich-myself dependancy, blinds them forever to any reality based solutions of breaking the stranglehold that the all-holy corporate worship has had over this nation for decades......the rightwing media and pundits (I will name them: Limbaugh, Beck, O'liely,Savage, Sean("I will be waterboarded for charity") Hannity, Bortz, Laura Ingram.....etc........the entire teabagger, birther, healthcare reform antagonist........seem to all fit the bill of people that can not carry a realistic argument about the real change that is occurring in this country......... The truth.........is.................those groups just cannot absolutely stand the fact that an African American man, a young and dynamic and smart man, has won over the actual majority of the US people in a fair election for a change, and now he appoints a Latina woman to the supreme court, and he is appointing all of these women and these minorities to cabinet positions with real motives to change the tide of this country in a flow away from the policy of greed and "I've got mine so F___ you" attitude that has existed for the last 28 years.....we can see where greed has gotten us nationally and abroad...These radical rightwing groups also cannot accept or tolerate that the America that they "know" from the past, no longer exists........("I want my America back" crowd). This numbered minority group of the population is obviously upset because they see the old America slipping away (whites will actually no longer be the majority race in America within ten years because of our natural melting pot growth and coming together of the nonwhite with the white).......so, in response to the inevitable, the true or latent racists/white dominantists will try to activate their willing, unwilling, and unknowing, masses, that only see difference and hate and loss of dominant white privilege, as a means to demonize, outright lie about, plot violence against, attempt to stupidly intimidate through the outward and open brandishing of assault firearms at political events (particularly, at Obama's appearances),the democractically elected President of the United States. *Please remember that Barack Obama was overwhelmingly elected by a great majority of the states and the general electorate........compared to the suspicious and less politically accepted electoral caculations of 2000 and 2004. The birthers need no more publicity....their professed leader is a supposed lawyer/dentist......... ......and she herself is not a natural born American. Is that her real beef? Why do logical people believe anything that she says and portrays as any truth of any thing? Is it really plausible that the conspiracy was on, to bring in the local Honolulu newpapers to coconsprire for the future newly born President of US, so as to immediately record his birth in the US state of Hawaii on August 4, 1961? no......this jibberish is generated by hate and hate radio and hate Tv......and it really does come down to blatant racism against our honorable President. These nasty people with their lying and incidious rants and raves against all that is Obama......because, they cannot stand the fact that they are not in power........it is a reality. Certain humans on this Earth react in certain ways to adversity......some assume the realistic survival mode of the time to live within the means and the truth of the time.........some seek to innovate a different factual reality based upon honest ingenuity and discovery to make a better means for all people......some, seeing opportunities for wealth and profit seek opportunities for wealth and power through means......legal, illegal, ethical, unethical, honest, or dishonest. We know these people. We have unwittingly acknowledged these people maybe without knowing what they have actually been doing. A society that condones cheaters, and individuals who only thrive upon greed and intimidation, is on a road toward ultimate destruction and unraveling, eventually. But.....it is hard to break the mindset so easily or quickly the longer that the goal of greed and selfserving success at all cost with profit with no alternative, remains the standard taught and recognized as proper and commendable business practices of the so called US private sector (which has willing sucked hungrily from the teat of the federal and state governments to acheive thier gluttonous greedbased ends for many years, including all Reagan and Bush years as well). When I say "Here we go again", this is what I mean. I hope a time will come when we can quit trying to purposefully to inflame some really insane rightwing fringe lunatic to do the unthinkable.....I pray that nothing like that happens to any of our legitimately elected officials....from any state,from any faith, from any background.......from ...any color of skin .... I guess you know by now that I support the legitamitely elected President of the United States. My post is meant to counter your previous post that appears to purposefully attempt to lay a piece of crap in the middle of the room, and to run away denying who did it. The new left is motivated enough for real change, to challenge and speak out against the obvious lies and misinformation. Sorry.....but I felt compelled to point out the stinking pile in the room that you left by posting that BS. Seek out your own truth, but do not make it up. HOPE Jazzdog
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Aug 28, 2009 19:38:58 GMT -5
Post by DawnDay on Aug 28, 2009 19:38:58 GMT -5
JAZZDOG, YOU SAID IT ALL.......... OUR PRESIDENT WAS LEFT WITH SUCH A MESS ONLY A MIRACLE COULD FIX EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE. YET, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN EXPECTED OF HIM. ANY WRONG MOVE HE MIGHT MAKE IS JUMPED ON BEFORE THE RIGHTIES EVEN KNOW WHAT HE HAS IN MIND. I PRAY FOR OUR PRESIDENT, FOR I ALSO HAVE HOPE. THOSE THAT DO NOT HOPE FOR OUR PRESIDENT TO SUCCEED, MAKES ME WONDER WHAT FLAG THEY REALLY FLY AT HOME. EVERY NOW AND THEN I PUT RUSH LIMBAUGH ON THE RADIO, WITH HOPES THAT HE HAS CHANGED A LITTLE, BUT THEN I HEAR THE SAME OLD HATE-- OBAMA BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,,,,,, I GET SO MAD AT THE ATTITUDE OF SUCH SMALL MINDS, I QUICKLY TURN HIM OFF, MY STOMACH CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH. HOW DOES THAT GO-- UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. THERE ARE MANY COUNTRIES HOPING FOR OUR UNITED STATES AS WE KNOW IT TO FAIL. THOSE COUNTRIES THAT ARE HOPING OUR DEMOCRACY WILL FALL- ARE SALIVATING AT THIS CONSPIRACY AGAINST OUR PRESIDENT. HOPE #2 DAWNDAY
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Aug 29, 2009 0:54:04 GMT -5
Post by Mathew503 on Aug 29, 2009 0:54:04 GMT -5
Ok, not all of us are racist or have to like the guy. and alot of us would jump for joy to get this guy out of office. But everyone has the right to their opinion and that is what makes this and other forums go around this "administration" is making this country less american each day. and still people are choosing to be blind to it or participate in it. and if the man and people who are in question are in the wrong, they will be brought to justice. can you imagine our usa forcing us to cater to the islam religion? the way that the uk has to their people?!! the crown is based on the christian faith. and it is ordering the country to kiss the a** of islam. this is a sign. and some of our own people do not cherish the gift of being an american. we can not be free as a native people. we have to adhere to the american way of life. our ancestors would be amazed at how this country has let itself get to this condition. And your right dd united we stand for the right american ideals and divided we fall from the distractions of the hidden agenda. Remember the fathers who gave their lives for the right of free speach.
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Aug 30, 2009 0:21:46 GMT -5
Post by hermin1 on Aug 30, 2009 0:21:46 GMT -5
It burns me up how some people can castigize a person,who posted information that he had heard and/or read in the media.As Mr.Kitto wrote in his second post.He did make any comment. I would suggest you look at the qualifications required to run for president of the United States, and then comment. I did not vote for Obama or his opponent,because I did not feel they had the experience necessary to make a good president, and I looked at their voting records in congress. So far, from what I have seen and/or read,I feel that I made a good decison to vote for someone else. I also considered that a president can't get any programs going,without the congress's vote of approval,and I felt that both candidates wouldn't be able to get a lot if anything done during their term. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
You may not approve of what Mike Kitto, had posted,but he has the right to post it. If I were a censor, jazzdog's posting would have some bleeps, but I am not a censor. I don't approve of some of the offensive language he used, but he has the right to say what he feels. I will just take what he wrote with a grain of salt,and consider the source.
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Aug 30, 2009 12:00:12 GMT -5
Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Aug 30, 2009 12:00:12 GMT -5
Go on with your BAD self Jazzdog (no matter what your sex is--I insist you are female.) His dad is KENYAN. His mom is (among other things and names) not able to pass on American citizenship. He was born in Mombassa, Kenya. (His Granny said so) I tend to believe Grandmothers. BTW here are a few facts: Obama is a privileged African-American, who has not shared the black American experience. By birth, blood and training, he was a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church. He is a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose methods were conceived by the communist, Alinsky. He is a master at shaping his own mythology and completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief. He is not now, nor ever has been, a "natural born citizen" -- he was, at birth, a British subject and citizen of Kenya -- a fact published on his own website. He has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing! -- and he's got an army of lawyers making sure it stays that way -- and the unflattering stuff, out there in the world and on the Internet -- it's systematically disappearing down the rabbit hole. Family This family isn't Ozzie and Harriet. It's closer to "Ozzie and Sharon Osborne meet the Jeffersons." Obama's mother, Anna, was a beatnik who was greatly influenced by her left-wing and communist teachers in the Mercer Island High School, and Obama Sr. was a Marxist and serial bigamist. He abandoned his wives and children. He became a wife-beater and drunk. His arrogance destroyed his government career. He killed a man and lost both legs in alcohol-related accidents and eventually killed himself behind the wheel -- hammered! Education Obama has had the finest possible education. Nobody knows how it was financed or what his grades were. His academic records are all sealed and he has an army of lawyers making sure they remained sealed. At college, Obama's philosophy was "to avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists." Religion Obama's father was a Muslim. Obama's stepfather was a Muslim. Obama's grandfather was a Muslim. Sarah, who Obama calls grandmother is a Muslim. Obama's half-brothers and sisters are Muslims. To Muslims, Obama IS a Muslim, no matter what he says. Obama's sister Maya was quoted by the New York Times as saying, "My whole family was Muslim." I assume she considers Obama a member of her family, after all, she refers to him as "my brother" -- Oh!, and mom too! Wife "My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second. This will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant." You can read more here: www.theobamafile.com/
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Aug 30, 2009 15:35:04 GMT -5
Post by Jimmy on Aug 30, 2009 15:35:04 GMT -5
We know that, so what? Wrong, she was an American citizen. It was actually his elderly step-grandmother. I respect my grandparents too, but in her last years, my grandmother swore I had a sister named Martha, but I have no sister, and there is nobody in my family named Martha. Obama is 48, I imagine his elderly step-grandmother must be quite old, and possibly senile, or just confused over her numerous grandkids and step-grandkids. So? All our white presidents of the last century have been white, and rich, and did not share in the experience of common white people. As we all know, only rich people can be president. Why does this matter anyway? This doesn't even make sense, he is Muslim, but attends a Christian Church? By the way, being a Muslim (or a marxist for that matter) is not illegal in this country (at least until the Conservatives have their way), nor should it be, and has no bearing here. Plus, I would like to see the proof of his suppsed "muslimness." Again, where is the evidence for this? And again, it is not illegal to believe in Marx. The liberal movement in this country is founded very much on social equality, which the conservatives constantly mislabel "socialism" or "communism," but is blatantly false. I think this is strange coming from an Indian. Capitalism is not part of Lakota/Nakota/Dakota culture, nor any other Indian culture that I know of. Our main cultural virtues are generosity and making sure our family, friends, neighbors and people have enough food, etc., to get by. Native culture is not about amassing wealth and screwing everybody else over. Call it communism if you want, but that is the truch of our culture. All presidents project an image, that may or not be correct. He has already shown himself qualified, much more so than our past administration, who broke every law, were corrupt, and wiped their butts with the Constitution. I would like to see the source for this. If he admitted to not being born a U.S. citizen, he would not be president right now. So his birth certificate and multiple birth announcements aren't enough documentation? I don't want people tracking down all my records either. So what? This is ridiculous! He is somehow unable to be President because of his family? My father was an alcoholic too, does that mean I can't be President? The only point of this statement is to spread hate. I certainly hope my life isn't judged by what my parents did in theirs. My academic records are sealed too, so what? He doesn't have to release them, just as I don't have to release mine. Again, I thought in America we were free to associate with whomever we liked and to think what we want. What is wrong with hanging out with politically active black students? Obama is a politically active black man. What is wrong with hanging out with foreign students? A friend of mine, a fellow student, is from Norway, is something wrong with that? "Marxist professor" does not mean what you think it does. In academic circles, "marxist" is just a analytical methodology. I am a history student, and their our marxist historians, that does not mean they are communist, nor does me taking their classes make me communist. This is just more hate speech. Just above you stated he attended a Church. He is not Muslim, but being Muslim is not illegal anyway, this is just furthering the fomentation of hate against Obama, liberals, and Muslims. What his family does and believes is of no concern. More hate speech and not relevant to the topic. This to me is one of the most ridiculous comments. Uncle Mike, as an Indian yourself, I'm sure you know how it feels to be considered an outsider because of your race. I see absolutely nothing wrong with her statement. I'm sure many of us on this board have felt this way. Why should Indians care if a few whites are whining about about supposed and completely false racism against them? There is plenty of evidence to show that Obama was born in the U.S., including a birth certificate, the testimony of several government officials in Hawaii attesting to the validity to the document, and birth announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers. Yet the only evidence that he was born in Kenya is the word of a very elderly step-grandmother with multiple grandkids. You know, when Bush was in office, liberals did whine about it, which conservatives said they would never do. However, the whining of the conservatives now has reached unprecedented and ridiculous heights. Conservative talk show hosts and other so-called conservative "journalists" have been blatantly lying and misleading people, they have been fomenting violence, and denouncing Obama because of his race, ethnicity, supposed religion, family background, and supposed political beliefs. I thought we had rights in this country, but half of the above statement badmouthed Obama for his race, ethnicity, etc., stuff that have absolutely nothing to do with the political discussion. All it is trying to do is create fear of Obama and his policies. All the conservatives can do is create fear, because they have no leg to stand on in a political debate and are not interest in actually helping people, or providing for their friends and neighbors as Indians have done for thousands of years and should still be doing today. They are only interested in making an extra dollar.
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Aug 30, 2009 18:29:22 GMT -5
Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Aug 30, 2009 18:29:22 GMT -5
Dear Nephew Jimmy, Since you spent a good deal of your time addressing the article I provided for OYATE consumption, I will take some time to answer your questions individually. I will probably have the document ready for you tomorrow night. In the meantime, here is a copy of Obummer's official Kenyan birth certificate: www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6985I am asking you to believe that I am not biased against Obama. I assure you that I will never knowingly lie to you. What concerns me is his apparent ineligibility to be President according to the Constitution of the United States, Article 2, Section1, Clause 5, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." Obama states in his own autobiography, Dreams of My Father, "My dad is Kenyan." For example: His dad was a KENYAN, ergo he is a Kenyan. My dad was a Santee, ergo I am a Santee. Here is a copy of OBAMA's KENYAN Birth certificate. www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6985Remember the Constitution is the main document of the USA, and shall we allow just anyone to be president? Perhaps we will get a Mexican or better yet a Canadian the next time. I think not. Sincerely, Uncle MIKE
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Aug 30, 2009 21:12:47 GMT -5
Post by tfeleht2 on Aug 30, 2009 21:12:47 GMT -5
This all sounds like sour grapes to me. McCain lost so get over it. Obama is the President of the United States and that is the way the cookie crumbles.
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Aug 31, 2009 0:27:01 GMT -5
Post by tfeleht2 on Aug 31, 2009 0:27:01 GMT -5
Excellent observations Jazzdog and Jimmy about the nonsense of the President not a citizen. It seems very ludicrous as we already had Chief Justice Roberts of the U.S. Supreme Court give the oath of office to President Obama twice. lol
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Aug 31, 2009 0:37:44 GMT -5
Post by Jimmy on Aug 31, 2009 0:37:44 GMT -5
The so-called Kenyan "birth certificate" was debunked weeks ago. It is totally false and is a forgery. The supposed birth certificate says Obama was born in the Republic of Kenya - which did not exist until 8 months after the issuing of the "birth certificate." (It was actually the Dominion of Kenya.) Mombasa was not part of Kenya when he was born, it was actually part of Zanzibar, so again, the forgery is incorrect. The signer of the "document," EF Lavender, is actually a brand of laundry detergent in that part of the world.
This document is obviously a forgery to everybody in the world except to those who cannot except Obama as President.
There is no evidence to suggest Obama is not a citizen. Yes, his father is Kenyan, which makes him Kenyan ethnically, but not a citizen. Like everybody else, Obama had 2 parents, one of whom was an American citizen, which makes Obama an American citizen. Just because my own father was white and my mother is Indian, doesn't mean that I am not Indian, I am both. Just as Obama is American on his mothers side and Kenyan on his father's - he is also of 2 ethnicities like me. But since he was born an American citizen - in America - and he never had Kenyan citizenship, then he is American.
Are you suggesting that there is a conspiracy going back to 1961? There is a birth certificate in Hawaii and birth announcements in 2 different Hawaiian newspapers - is this part of some 48 year old conspiracy to put him in power? This whole thing is ridiculous.
There is plenty of proof to prove his American citizenship, but absolutely nothing credible has surfaced to suggest otherwise.
I don't believe you are intentionally lying, but I think you are taking hook line and sinker what the conservative right is feeding you. These are the same people who of late, over healthcare, have been blatantly LYING, misleading people, and drumming up fear purely for political gain, not for the good of the people. These people have absolutely no credibility anymore. If somebody on Fox News said the sky was blue, I would have to go outside and check because they are just not credible anymore.
This debate over Obama's citizenship is another good example of this - they disregard the rock solid evidence in front of them and resort to forgeries, and attacking his ethnicity, his race, his supposed religion, his family background - all to spread fear out of a concern for political gain. These people do not have our best interests at heart, they are only concerned with their own and their party's political aspirations and the best interests of their wallet at heart. Obama is trying to (and has been) helping the people of this country - the ONLY thing the conservatives have done is try to shut him down. They haven't tried to introduce legislation to help the economy, increase jobs, help people without healthcare, or anything else.
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Aug 31, 2009 5:33:27 GMT -5
Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Aug 31, 2009 5:33:27 GMT -5
Dear Nephew Jimmy,
Because you are my blood relative I will take time and try to reason with you.
Does the words, "Natural Born" resonate anywhere? This is the only- let me repeat the word for clarity sake - ONLY - qualification he does not possess. Now before you go any further, read and research the words "Natural Born."
Here is another example: IF you say you have one white parent and one Dakota parent, and you wish to be a member of the Santee Sioux Tribe, you would have to provide some sort of proof that you are who you say you are and they are who they say they are.
Obama is not a "natural born" citizen. Further when he is forced to do so, he will prove that he is a KENYAN. An illegal alien.
Please research the term "Natural Born," as I ask and apply it to the Constitution, then taking the rhetoric out of your answer. Then after your research, if you still disagree with me, you go your way and I will go mine on this topic because one of us is wrong and neither of us will be able to convince the other of their deeply held belief.
I will not suggest how to find an answer on the words "Natural Born." However you decipher the term is fine with me. I will read your reply and that will be the end of it.
Sincerely,
Uncle MIKE
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Aug 31, 2009 8:29:48 GMT -5
Post by Jimmy on Aug 31, 2009 8:29:48 GMT -5
Uncle Mike,
I will take a look and get back with you.
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Aug 31, 2009 22:36:25 GMT -5
Post by tfeleht2 on Aug 31, 2009 22:36:25 GMT -5
Barack Obama (born 1961), 44th president of the United States, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother and a British subject father from the Kenya Colony of the United Kingdom. Before and after the 2008 presidential election, arguments were made that he is not a natural born citizen. On June 12, 2008, the Obama presidential campaign launched a website to counter what it described as smears by his opponents, including these challenges to his eligibility.[54] The most prominent issue raised against Obama was the claim that he was not actually born in Hawaii. In two other lawsuits, the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in Hawaii,[55] but argued instead that he was nevertheless not a natural born citizen because his citizenship status at birth was also governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.[56] The relevant courts have either denied all applications or declined to render a judgment due to lack of jurisdiction. Some of the cases have been dismissed because of the plaintiff's lack of standing.[21] On July 28, 2009, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement saying, "I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,".[57] On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961." [58] The vote passed 378-0.
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Sept 1, 2009 7:44:46 GMT -5
Post by tfeleht2 on Sept 1, 2009 7:44:46 GMT -5
As the Wolfchild case makes its final journey to the U.S. Supreme Court, none of the Plaintiffs or Intervenors in that case have had their lineal descendancy proven to any court. So talking of someone being their blood relative would need the necessary documentation in any event.
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Mathew503
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Sept 1, 2009 22:16:26 GMT -5
Post by Mathew503 on Sept 1, 2009 22:16:26 GMT -5
Cousins, this is becoming a very festered sore on the forum. I do agree with Mazadidi, and this whole mess will will be sorted out in the public eye or it will be swept under the rug. like too many other American scandals. those of us who want the same thing,( to preserve the American way of life and our founding roots) will keep striving for the truth. and for those who don't agree with us , it's your right to disagree. for all of us genealogists, we all should know that the truth will come with determination and rock solid facts. if the supreme court in cali looking at this subject it should say something . This is a place for all of this kind of banter because that is what forums are for. but it's not a place to hurt your family and loved ones. let's try to keep it real and open minded as so nobody gets really hurt. You all are my family in one way or another, and even tho i have never met any of you... i welcome you with open arms and greet you with love. Remember we are a special oyate and we shall not drive a wedge between our own..!
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Sept 2, 2009 11:28:11 GMT -5
Post by Jimmy on Sept 2, 2009 11:28:11 GMT -5
Dear Nephew Jimmy, Because you are my blood relative I will take time and try to reason with you. Does the words, "Natural Born" resonate anywhere? This is the only- let me repeat the word for clarity sake - ONLY - qualification he does not possess. Now before you go any further, read and research the words "Natural Born." Here is another example: IF you say you have one white parent and one Dakota parent, and you wish to be a member of the Santee Sioux Tribe, you would have to provide some sort of proof that you are who you say you are and they are who they say they are. Obama is not a "natural born" citizen. Further when he is forced to do so, he will prove that he is a KENYAN. An illegal alien. Please research the term "Natural Born," as I ask and apply it to the Constitution, then taking the rhetoric out of your answer. Then after your research, if you still disagree with me, you go your way and I will go mine on this topic because one of us is wrong and neither of us will be able to convince the other of their deeply held belief. I will not suggest how to find an answer on the words "Natural Born." However you decipher the term is fine with me. I will read your reply and that will be the end of it. Sincerely, Uncle MIKE Uncle Mike, I have taken a look at the term "natural born" as you asked, and this is what I found. First, the Constitution is very vague and ambiguous on many issues, and the section pertaining to qualifications for President is no different. Our court system is set up specifically to interpret laws, the Supreme Court being the final word in interpreting law and the Constitution. The Supreme Court has not defined or interpreted the term "natural born" yet, so our opinions really don't matter. Here is what the Constitution says, Article II, Section 1: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States." No where in the document does it define what a "natural born citizen" is, therefore it is up for interpretation. The other requirements are vague as well. For instance, when Woodrow Wilson was elected in 1928, the clause that the President has to have resided in the U.S. for 14 years. It does not specify if those years have to be consecutive, or if you have to have resided in the country for 14 consecutive immediately before taking over the Presidency. Could someone spend their first 14 years here, then live in another country for 21 years, then immediately take the Presidency after moving from the other country? Do these have to be 14 years in a row, or could it be a few years here, a few years there, as long as it totals 14 years? Wilson had resided over 14 years in the U.S., but not for 14 years immediately prior to taking office. Of course, the Constitution was interpreted to allow him to take office. Other legislation hasn't been helpful in defining what a "natural born citizen" is either. From the Naturalization Act of 1790: "And the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, That person heretofore proscribed by any State, shall be admitted as a citizen as aforesaid, except by an act of Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed." This document says that person only has to be born of an American citizen, even outside the country, to be considered a "natural born citizen." Therefore, according to this, it would not matter where Obama was born, as long as he was born to a citizen. It also says: "the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States." It says absolutely nothing about the father having to be a citizen, only a resident. Obama's father was a resident of Hawaii at the time, where he attended the University of Hawaii (his mother was also a student there). This is the only document to define what a "natural born citizen" is, and it certainly does not bar Obama. It does not say both parents have to be citizens or that one parent can't be a citizen of another country. It only says that he has to be a child of a citizen, and his father has to have resided in the U.S. However, this legislation was amended several times, and in 1795, the phrase "natural born" was stricken from the document, so technically, there still is no legal definition of "natural born" means, but this is the closest we have to it. From the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868: "Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. " Well, this is no help either, it defines what a citizen is, but does not mention the term "natural born." The 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1951, again addresses Presidential requirements:, "Secton 1: No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. " This does not make it any clearer, because it only refers to amount of terms in office, rather than any of the other requirements. Recently, in a Senate Resolution by the 110th Congress, 2nd Session, the Senate confirmed that John McCain was eligible to run for President, even though he was born outside the U.S. Here is part of what it says: "Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ of the United States; Whereas the term ‘‘natural born Citizen’’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States; Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to American citizens serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President; Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term ‘‘natural born Citizen..." [here it refers to the 1790 Naturalization Act discussed above, which we already know would not preclude Obama. It also fails to mention that the definition was redacted 5 years later.] Congress admits that the Consitution does not define what a "natural born citizen" is. It admits that one can be born outside of the U.S. and still be considered "natural born." Though it refers specifically to those born of members of the Armed Forces, it does not say it means only children of service members. So, like our previous legislation, this is again vague, and up for interpretation. The Senate resolution goes on to state: "Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States." It specifically says: "previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President." It does not say that they were children of service members, just that they were born outside the U.S., but still eligible. Uncle Mike, after looking at the evidence, my conviction that Barack Obama is eligible to be President is actually stronger. I see absolutely nothing that precludes him. Nothing says both parents have to be citizens, nothing says that one parent having different citizenship would in any way hamper Obama's right to be a citizen, nor does it seem one even has to be born in the United States to be considered a "natural born citizen." I don't see anywhere where it could be argued that he is not a "natural born citizen," even if he was born in Kenya.
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OBUMMER
Sept 2, 2009 11:35:46 GMT -5
Post by Jimmy on Sept 2, 2009 11:35:46 GMT -5
Does the words, "Natural Born" resonate anywhere? This is the only- let me repeat the word for clarity sake - ONLY - qualification he does not possess. If, as you say, the ONLY qualification he does not possess is that of a natural born citizen, then why all the talk about his religion? Why talk about his race? Why the talk about his parents being bad examples? Why the talk about his grades? Why the talk about what his wife said? Why the talk about his supposed Marxist political beliefs? Why the talk about who he chooses to associate with? If you only want to debate whether or not he is a natural born citizen, why did you bring up all this other stuff that has no bearing on the discussion? I am not attacking you personally, but I believe the reason you brought this up is because the conservative right in this country is throwing this out there, grasping at straws and drumming up fear, because they have nothing legitimate against Obama, only lies and issues that have absolutely no relation to the debate.
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OBUMMER
Sept 2, 2009 16:34:29 GMT -5
Post by Curtis Kitto "MIKE" on Sept 2, 2009 16:34:29 GMT -5
Dear Nephew Jimmy,
After your research you concluded that:
"Uncle Mike, after looking at the evidence, my conviction that Barack Obama is eligible to be President is actually stronger. I see absolutely nothing that precludes him. Nothing says both parents have to be citizens, nothing says that one parent having different citizenship would in any way hamper Obama's right to be a citizen, nor does it seem one even has to be born in the United States to be considered a "natural born citizen." I don't see anywhere where it could be argued that he is not a "natural born citizen," even if he was born in Kenya."
You and I have reached a fork in the road. Your researched the words as I asked and I appreciate your research. (Although your citations are nonexistent, I believe you researched the term.) Unfortunately, you arrived at a different conclusion and opinion regarding the words "Natural Born" than I did.
Therefore, my deeply held opinion differs from your deeply held opinion.
Something to think about: "Why do you suppose the framers inserted the "natural born" requirement into the language of the constitution?"
Uncle MIKE
PS - I will provide some answers to your questions in a separate reply.
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