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Post by tokakte on Dec 5, 2005 11:49:30 GMT -5
Question: When the ancestors of the Lakota migrated onto the plains, much of their social structure changed in response to the large environmental changes they encountered. The changes became enormous when they acquired the horse and became the classic "Horse and Buffalo" Indians of popular history. The "Akicita" changed from an emergency response group to an immediate threat, such as in 1862, to a group of permanent soldier societies. I'm guessing it was because they were needed more frequently. They also have no clans at present, at least to my knowlege. Did the Mdewakantonwan have a clan structure pre 1862?
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 5, 2005 12:35:38 GMT -5
There is a reference: The Dakota Sioux In Minnesota As They Were In 1834. |Author : Samuel W. Pond. It is very informative. I don't know if there is any reference re, the Lakotas.. I'd suggest you type" Lakota Sioux Indian History " in your search box of your search engine and see whAT COMES UP.
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Post by tokakte on Dec 6, 2005 13:22:01 GMT -5
Thanks. I'll try to get a copy of the Pond book. As for the Lakota, Hassrick's "The Sioux" is a pretty good look at the Lakota and the source of some of my historical knowlege, along with my Lakota cousins, of course. Toakate
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Post by imndn on Jan 5, 2006 17:28:49 GMT -5
so...its ok to do your work...but when you think you can disturb others....have you found the delete button yet...is this when I yell for my amendment rights, dberg? Want to make sure this is cvorrect...wouldn't want to upset anyone
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Post by tokakte on Jan 7, 2006 15:51:21 GMT -5
What in the world? Bsss, are you sure you posted this to right thread?
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 7, 2006 19:25:39 GMT -5
there isa book, afriend of mine, whom I'm helping with his ancestry, told me about: LaqQuiParle: Its Ministries, Traders and Indians, which does mention several Clans of Mdewakantons in Minnesota in the 1840's.
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Post by tokakte on Jan 9, 2006 9:22:34 GMT -5
Hermin1--Thanks! I'll look for it. tokakte
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Post by hermin1 on Jan 9, 2006 10:56:28 GMT -5
tokakte: My friend says it is a very old book. I don't know if it is still in publication, but you should have your library get it on Interlibrary loan. I am thinking that Minnesota State Historical Society may have a copy of it.the book was written by a professor at South Dakota State University.
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Post by scararm on Feb 1, 2006 19:52:31 GMT -5
Hello When i first started to research I told my self we have to learn about the indians who lived over there. So I read everything I could. Then I realized that here we are looking for people that lived in tipi's on the computer. And reading I found that the fur traders were living among the indians and married into the bands and the more wifes he had gave him ties to the fur trade of the indians. We Are The Prodoucts of These Fur Traders and I found that the American Fur Trade Company was a common element with my family history. Just about al l the relatieves on fathers side and mother were fur traders married to full blood indian women and thier children the halfbreeds were the ones who married other half breeds or full blood from there mothers tribes. Thats why when the uprising happened the wives and chilren of the trades were rounded up and shipped out while the men were either hanged, sent to prison are given the option to joing the army. In 1866 the presidant released all the prisoners why cause they were going to set up annother treaty which was one was next and that was the Fort Larmie treaty in 1868. Thats when people had to start changing there names cause they were uprooted and put some where again. So alot of the indians had to pick a english name so alot of them picked some one in there past they looked up to... Husasa red legs like Bishop Whipple so he changed his name to Thomas Whipple and so on Akipa- Red Iron chose the name joseph Renville - Cloud Man -to Phillip Weston ect. I made a acomment about Wabashaw changing the name to Red Wing. This got some attention by other members There is a site about the Metis thats the frenchmen and there indian wives the children were Called Metis Half breeds. These Famou Chief were the elders of the tribes aback in 1862 and there children were the worriors - cut heads were the indians who cut there hair and put on white mans clothes and were farmers as stated in the treaties they were given land, equiptment to farm, fixed housing so in 1851 treaty they moved again and this time to there present homesteads where the uprising started mendota Yellow medicine. Books Sioux uprising in 1862 the book Though Dakota Eyes list a lot of these name changes. And reading these you can just about figuar where a lot of the names were chosen from this soldiers -missionary -traders- who did marry daughters of the chiefs. The governtment kept track of the indians and half breeds. The French kept track of there families and wives and chilcren . On this Metis site they have a big page of names and you can click on the names of fur traders and chief at the time it it will tell the names of the indian women they married and the chiefs and who there children married. users.usinternet.com/dfnels/index.htm this is the site Called TRADE GOODS I hope this helps and yes they did have clans which were changed to bands and part of the clan name was usually part of the indians name back then so everyone knew from what family you came from if you were from the Elk Clan every one in your family would have something to do with Elk.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 2, 2006 1:42:15 GMT -5
scararm you must be reading my mind, I was wondering the same thing about how the names were derived. thanks for your very informative posting.
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Post by scararm on Feb 2, 2006 3:42:13 GMT -5
you're all very welcomed ,its a joy being able to help each other ,.....scar arm
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Post by santee1961 on Feb 4, 2006 10:13:26 GMT -5
There is also another book starting with the Santee Sioux in the 1600's. i loaned my book out and it hasn't come back home and can't remember who I loaned it out too. It looks at the Santee people in the 1600's when Radisson and the other Trader first came here. I remember the writing about the ceremonies and the description of clans. I remember the writing about the Beaver Clan or the worker clans. One of their duties was to grease tribal members to keep their skin from cracking in the cold wintertime weather. It had the Santee people set in further east in the 1600. It was very descriptive regarding the size of the Santee people. Several thousand and the various colorings. In Minnesota 3 years ago I saw a painting of Dakota men hunting. The artists painted it in 1803 and it showed a man lighter complected, sandy brown long hair, several with medium complexion and brown hair and several with darker complexions and brown to black hairs. It showed we shouldn't stereotype our people. We are all related. P.S I will search Amazon and see if I can find the book again. It has been several years since i seen it.
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Post by tamara on Feb 5, 2006 18:47:25 GMT -5
In my family, it appears that when one person took an english name, the name would carry over to other relatives, even those that would not normally carry the same surname. It seems as if in need of a surname or english name for purposes such as census or allotment etc., a man's father might be identified with the surname chose by his son and the same with cousins. In this time period of change, it would seem to be very hard to distinguish relations by surname and impossible to assume anything.
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