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Post by BIG JON on Mar 4, 2007 19:09:11 GMT -5
bonenecklace: I ran across some documents posted in re.to a Mrs. Sully that was married to Jack Sully at www.accessgeealogy.com.. They had to do with an appeal that was made tot he BIA many years back, re. some land . the woman's name was Mary Goulette. she was maried before to a Kincai brefore she married Jack. then I have Samuel Sully who was married to Lucy Saul,, and also to emma chapman, andHannah Gammell. I also hae a Julia Sully whose indian name was Tatiyopawastewin. But this one lived on the Devils Lake Reservation. Is this the same Mary Goulette that married a Rev John Rondell? I ALSO HAVE A FAMILY TREE FOR THE SULLYS AND DRAPPO FAMILY---ITS FROM THE RECORD WHERE THEY ARE ACCEPTED INTO THE LOWER BRULE TRIBE...JON
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Post by deanndion on May 19, 2007 17:10:56 GMT -5
hi my name is De Ann and my ggg grand mother was wayankapiwin(they see her or sully). her father was chief bone necklace( ho-hoo-non-pee and her mother was mazotwin . i also would like more info and if i have something you need let me know. De Ann
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 5, 2007 12:12:09 GMT -5
Is this the same Mary Goulette that married a Rev John Rondell? I ALSO HAVE A FAMILY TREE FOR THE SULLYS AND DRAPPO FAMILY---ITS FROM THE RECORD WHERE THEY ARE ACCEPTED INTO THE LOWER BRULE TRIBE...JON Jon, I would very much like to speak to you about the Sully and Drappo families. Please emaile me at: jessieh@juno.com Jessie Hagan Louisville, KY
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 5, 2007 12:25:07 GMT -5
tamara: i do nto know. all I have is what is posted, other than the names ofthe children she had with Mr. KIncaid and Jack sully.this mary Goulette was born on 12-25-1851 and died 3-05-1937.. I forgot she also had a daughter named Mary Brinnellk(sp) with John Brinnelk(sp). I hope this helps. Hermin1, I am new to Native American Genealogy. I, too found this document and it was very helpful in the family I am working. I would like to track back on the Mary Drappo in this document. She was the wife of Narcisse Drappeau. It says that her fayther was a Yankton Sioux and her mother was a Crow Creek woman and that they were enrolled at the Yankton Agency, prior to her marriage in 1868. Is there any way to track back in these agency records to find the names of her parents. Jessie Hagan Louisville, KY
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Post by hermin1 on Jul 5, 2007 14:54:20 GMT -5
all I can suggest to you is to try and track her back through the YanktonAgency, Rosebud Agency, and Lower Brule records and see what ou come up with. I have looked again at the document and find no mention that Mary Drapeau her mother was marrid to a Narcisse Drapeau. it would help me to help you if you would send me your reference source which says that Mary Drapeau was the wife of said Narcisse Drapeau.
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 5, 2007 17:19:11 GMT -5
all I can suggest to you is to try and track her back through the YanktonAgency, Rosebud Agency, and Lower Brule records and see what ou come up with. I have looked again at the document and find no mention that Mary Drapeau her mother was marrid to a Narcisse Drapeau. it would help me to help you if you would send me your reference source which says that Mary Drapeau was the wife of said Narcisse Drapeau. Hermin, I have her on the 1870 census of Buffalo County with Narcisse and her daughter Mary age 19. Also in the house is Mary Brindle age 1. Although it doesn't name her, in the history of Charles County, there is a Bio on Narcisse Drappeau that says his wife was a Sioux woman. By piecing together the children, I have tracked them back to Narcisse. Jessie Hagan
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 6, 2007 9:15:19 GMT -5
Hermin1,
I wanted to ask about the name Goulette. I have been re-reading the "Petition and Paper relative to Certain Lower Brule Indians," and cannot find that name mentined in this document. Is there a possibility that Goulette may have been the maiden name of Mary Drappeau?
I have a very hard time keeping facts straight with this family as there were three Marys in a row.
The Grandmother, Mary unknown who married Narcisse Drappeau.
Mary Drappeau who married John Kinkaid, then Jack Sully. Did she also marry someone named Brindle, as the third daughter is listed in the 1870 census as Mary Brindle. On the birth of her daughter Emma on 28 JAN 1900, she is also listed as Mary Brindle. She was born 25 DEC 1851 and died 05 MAR 1937.
The third daughter, Mary (Brindle???) Kinkaid, married Patrick J. Gaughen who died in 1900 and then she married Nelson McGhee. she was born 25 MAY 1868 and died 15 NOV 1943.
I think that Mary Drappeau died between 1895 and 1904 and is buried in Lakeview Cemetery in White Swan Township, as Mrs. N. Drappeau.
Jessie Hagan Louisville, KY
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Post by BIG JON on Jul 6, 2007 10:22:21 GMT -5
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR REQUEST FOR THE SULLY/GOULETTE/BLACKBIRD /DRAPPEAU FAMILY TREE...I JUST GOT ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE DOCUMENT YOU ARE DESCRIBING AND SOMETHINGS I FOUND AT THE S.D.HIST SOC....I DON'T HAVE THE TREE HERE, BUT I REMEMBER SOME THINGS...
MY GRAMMA(DELLA LYTLE'S)DAD IS FRANK MCGHEE JR.... MOM-MERCY MCBRIDE FRANK JR.'S MOM WAS MILLIE DRAPPEAU, FATHER-FRANK MCGHEE SR.... MILLIE DRAPPEAU'S MOM WAS MARY GOODHIRE AND FATHER -NARCISSE DRAPPEAU...
I ACTUALLY HAVE THE WHOLE TREE FIGURED OUT-NOT AVAILABLE THOUGH...
I ALSO HAVE INFORMATION THAT THEY WERE A GANG OF HORSE RUSTLERS!...AND I SAW SOMETHING AT THE S.D. HISTORICAL SOCIETY THAT SAID THEY STOLE A CHEST OF BLACK HILLS GOLD AND IT WAS NEVER FOUND!!...MIGHT BE BURIED ON MA'S LAND!?!...(IT JUST MAKES IT ALL EXCITING IN A WAY)...JOHN SULLY WAS A WELL KNOWN MAN IN THOSE TIMES AND HE WAS ARRESTED(FOUND RE-BRANDING CATTLE--OR FINDING SOMEONE REBRANDING CATTLE-THE DETAILS ARE SKETCHY) AND SENT TO MITCHELL S.D. JAIL WHERE HIS BUDDIES BROKE HIM OUT FOR CHRISTMAS!...AND MY MA SAYS MILLIE DRAPPEAU WAS A ROSEBUD INDIAN(SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE ACCEPTED AT LOWER BRULE-AS PER THE END OF THAT DOCUMENT)...MY UNCLE SAYS THEY WERE A ROWDY BUNCH...AND HORSE THIEVES...AND THAT SULLY FLATS WAS NAMED FOR HIM BECAUSE HE KEPT HIS STOLEN HORSES/CATTLE THERE!!
I DO NOT KNOW WHERE JOHN SULLY IS FROM(OR IF HE IS RELATED TO THE HANNAH SULLY ON THE MN. MDE CENSUS)...ALTHOUGH HE MAY BE INDIAN...
SOMEBODY POSTED THIS AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT:
Chief Bone Necklace-His daughter who did have a lakota name was Mrs. Sully, which there are quite a bit wrote on her through the church "Stephan Mission"---BUT IS SHE RELATED TO HANNAH SULLY?...AND WHAT IS HER DAKOTA NAME?...AND WOULD THIS MAKE BONE NECKLACE JOHN SULLY'S GRANDPA?
JOHN SULLY MARRIED A DAUGHTER OF NARCISSE AND SHE DIED SOON AFTER...HE THEN MARRIED ANOTHER DAUGHTER OF NARCISSE-THOSE NAMES ARE ON THE DOCUMENT ALSO(I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW...
MA ALSO KNEW ALL OF THE FAMILIES-SULLY/GOULETTE/BLACKBIRD /DRAPPEAU-BUT DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE RELATED TO ANY EXCEPT THE DRAPPEAU BUNCH...SHE KNOWS HOW THEY ARE RELATED... MA IS 84 YRS OLD...FT. THOMPSON S.D....
I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS I HAVE PERTAINING TO THIS, BUT I AM TRYING TO GET IT TOGETHER--WILL SEND COPIES WHEN I GET THEM...
JON BRINGS THREE WHITE HORSES
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Post by BIG JON on Jul 6, 2007 10:32:03 GMT -5
Hermin1, I wanted to ask about the name Goulette. I have been re-reading the "Petition and Paper relative to Certain Lower Brule Indians," and cannot find that name mentined in this document. Is there a possibility that Goulette may have been the maiden name of Mary Drappeau? I have a very hard time keeping facts straight with this family as there were three Marys in a row. The Grandmother, Mary unknown who married Narcisse Drappeau.--THIS IS MARY GOOD HIRE WOMAN Mary Drappeau who married John Kinkaid, then Jack Sully. Did she also marry someone named Brindle, as the third daughter is listed in the 1870 census as Mary Brindle. On the birth of her daughter Emma on 28 JAN 1900, she is also listed as Mary Brindle. She was born 25 DEC 1851 and died 05 MAR 1937. ---IS BRINDLE HER MARRIED NAME?...MAYBE THE HUBBY WASN'T THERE... The third daughter, Mary (Brindle???) Kinkaid, married Patrick J. Gaughen who died in 1900 and then she married Nelson McGhee. she was born 25 MAY 1868 and died 15 NOV 1943. ---I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NELSON MCGHEE, BUT MY GRAMPA IS FRANK MCGHEE...WHAT ARE THEIR RELATIONSHIPS?--LOOKS LIKE THEY KEPT IT ALL IN THE FAMILY I think that Mary Drappeau died between 1895 and 1904 and is buried in Lakeview Cemetery in White Swan Township, as Mrs. N. Drappeau. --I DID NOT KNOW THIS...THANX Jessie Hagan Louisville, KY
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Post by BIG JON on Jul 6, 2007 11:59:25 GMT -5
THIS IS THE SULLY STORY: THESE ARE FROM ANCESTRY.COM: MAYBE YOU CAN GET A BETTER COPY THERE... ONE OF THEM HAS THE CARPENTER FAMILY AND A CUTHEAD NAMED BLACKBIRD(LITTLE DOG)...FATHER OF L. ARCHAMBEAU!....(IS THIS THE BLACKBIRD FAMILY?) THE OTHER LISTS THE DRAPPEAU FAMILY(NOT SURE HOW THEY ARE RELATED THOUGH...MY GUESS IS THAT FRANK DRAPPEAU IS NARCISSE'S SON...AND THEY ARE IN CHARLES MIX COUNTY...
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 6, 2007 12:15:26 GMT -5
My grandmother tells me the Sullys were the nicest people you could meet, but that they were all gangsters. She didn't tell me any specifics, but some of them did some pretty bad stuff. Her parents were friends with the Sullys, maybe they were gangsters too.
The Sullys she was talking about were from the Rosebud Reservation, so I don't know if that is the same family or not.
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Post by BIG JON on Jul 6, 2007 12:16:16 GMT -5
YEP!...SAME GROUP!
MA KNEW THE SULLYS ALSO(BUT DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE RELATED!)...
WHEN EXACTLY DO YOU FORGET THAT YOU WERE RELATED TO SOMEBODY?...MAYBE SHE DID KNOW--AT ONE TIME...THEN FORGOT!(OR CONVENIENTLY FORGOT!)--SHE DID KNOW THAT THEY WERE A DANGEROUS BUNCH THOUGH!
OH YEAH!...I FORGOT THAT PICTURE...THE STORY MENTIONS OLIVER DION'S DANCE HALL!!...AND THE TURGEONS...AND EMERY'S...(VERIFYING THAT THIS IS THEM!)
AND ON THE 1930 CENSUS IT HAS THE TRUDELLS LISTED RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRAPPEAUS--CHAS. MIX CO...SO THEY WERE ACQUAINTED...
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 6, 2007 12:19:48 GMT -5
That is funny. Back row, left to right: Frank Ducharme, Joe Turgeon, Oliver Dion; front row, left to right: Archie Turgeon, Samuel Emery, Jack Sully. My great grandfather (Samuel Emery) is in this picture with Jack Sully.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 6, 2007 12:29:07 GMT -5
My grandmother said that they used to have big parties at their house. Her father played the piano, and her mother played the fiddle (or the other way around). The Sullys used to come over and they would party all night.
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 7, 2007 13:15:12 GMT -5
John, Here is an article I found on Jack Sully. Also is the death record for Mary Sully and the tombstone photos for Jack Sully and Pat Gaughen. Can I ask where your article came from. I would like to have the cover page to go with it. JessieH image=jacksully2za0.jpg] [/url]
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 7, 2007 13:17:30 GMT -5
Page 2 didn't load right in the previous message. Here it is again JessieH
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Post by dawn on Jul 7, 2007 13:23:21 GMT -5
I see that Samuel B Sully was also listed on this page. Would happen to have the information on him from this book?
His father was a Jack Sully too and his mother was Hapan. Sam was born at Crow Creek so I am guessing that this Jack Sully is a different one then the one referenced in this book.
Thanks
Dawn
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 7, 2007 14:08:11 GMT -5
The article that BIG JON posted is from "The Saga of Sully Flats," by Adeline Gnirk. Published in 1977 by the Gregory Times-Advocate, Gregory, SD. This book has been reprinted a few times since then.
I have this book, if you are looking for any specific people, I could do lookups.
I also have one of Gnirk's other books, called "Saga of the Missouri River Reveille." These books are mostly about the pioneers of Gregory County, SD.
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 7, 2007 14:13:08 GMT -5
Jon, Can I ask you to repost page 310. It saved only as a thumbnail, and I couldn't get a good print. I have a problem with the Goullette part of this genealogy. When you look at the Petition of Certain Lower Brule Indians. they interview Mary Drappo (Drappeau) who is the mother of Mary Sully who was once married to a man names Kinkaid (John). Mary Brindle, daughter of Mary Drappeau Brindle Kinkaid Sully was born in 1868. Her mother was born 1851. From the 1860 and 1870 census below, Narcisse Drappeau was born in 1830. I don't see how he could have had a daughter Mary Goodhire who married a Henry Goulette, who could have been the mother of Mary the wife of John Sully who was born in 1851. That is only 21 years for two generations. Also, the history of Charles Mix County has a bio for Narcisse Drappeau that says that Jack Sully and John Kinkaid were his sons-in-law. The Petition also shows that Mary Drappo (She had to be the wife of Narcisse, based on the Biographies) was the daughter of a Yankton Sioux and a Crow Creek Woman. Henry Goulette sounds French, so I doubt he would have been the father of the Mary Drappo from the Petition. Hopefully we can straighten out this line. JessieH
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Post by Jessie Hagan on Jul 7, 2007 14:32:57 GMT -5
Jimmy, Can you check the book for other entries on Pat Gaughen or John Kinkaid of John Brindle (Brinnell)? Thanks Below is a Chart of what I have based on the items I have. In the Canadian Biography of Jack Sully, it says his real name was Arthur McDonald. I know John Kinkaid rode with Sully as well. I wonder if Kinkaid could have been an alias for Brindle. If anyone else has any thoughts on this line, let me know. I would be glad for the help. Jessie Hagan
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