Aboriginal and Pre-1862 Claims

[jazzdog]

Hey

I, and many others, believe in the concept of potential aboriginal claim to the Minnesota holdings, and the aboriginal claims and holdings that may have, and did, survive the events and potential illegal legislative moves that were made soon thereafter the 1862 events...........I want to throw this issue out to the group, to see if there is anyone else out there amongst our family that is in the same mindframe as I am, or at least has a sense, or an open mind to the point of allowing the prospect to be considered.
The history, that I have been seeing for myself, is very slow in revealing itself. However, there have been aspects of the discovered history of the Mdewakanton Dakota Sioux people from 1837 forward, that do allow scholars and concerned individuals, to see that the then legislation, was allegedly intended to benefit the beneficiaries of the agreements of the people.
Are there any more out there that have thoughts in line with the notion that things as they stand in the Wolfchild case, the potential claims of people that seek justice from their loving and correct historical lines of descendancy. I would deeply appreciate any participation of people seeing that.
I suspect that there are people out there on this site, this giving site, that want to do justice to the justice-deserving individuals and families that may be identified in the process of reaching out and indepth understanding. Let's protect what is ours. Let's assert the justifiable rights we can. while we can.
I just want to know if there are similar minds out there, on these important issues that are willing to stand up and smell the burning sage that rises........
Please help me understnd, and please let US know what you think.

THE rightwing stance on FISA, makes me think of Custer, and Sibley......


thank you very much Jazzdog

[allie]

In my readings, I came across where the Mdewakanton (possibly other bands as well) hunting grounds were on the east side of the Mississippi in the early 1800's. But as the wasicu moved westward, they encroached upon their land. So they were pushed across the Mississippi onto whose land? The Sisseton, Whapeton, Whapekute land...... As Dakota people, the bands would have shared because of the encroachment from the east. Isn't their a treaty map that states whose land was where at that time?
Allie

[antap2]

Jazzdog -- I have been doing a lot of research on the Mdewakanton. I believe that there is much evidence that everyone should get together and roll back the clock to pre-1862 and regroup. Kaposia may be a good place to start. I'm in for more research! Carol Brokenrope ([e-mail]) We're burning sage and saying many proayers...

[jazzdog]

antap2 and allie

thanks for responding to my question. Thank you also for your enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is what we need on some of these detailed issues that require thinking outside of the box, sometimes. We need not fault anyone for not treading these untreaded waters before, because, where would we all be if there were not discussions of issues and concerns that people thought were beyond inquiry, but for the "stirring up" of the enlightened eyes and minds of those that have an opportunity to view the same evidence through a different set of eyes?........human history is painted with numerous individual portraits of the time of life as it exists when it exists......however, it is the rare occasion where the beholding eye sees through the mist of history or unhistory, to try to place the pieces of the historical puzzle of certain and important events of actual history, to attempt in good faith and with good hearts, to try to recreate the real, and sometimes undocumented (truthfully) rightful history.
The task of piecing together this somewhat undocumented history to date, lies upon the shoulders of those that have the courage and the will to complete the grand picture as it should have been portrayed in the first place. The discovery of the anscestral history that we all would strive for, may not, in many instances, match the history that has already been recorded. We should not be discouraged by the fact that certain historians have already concluded facts and events have occured or did occur in certain means or under certain circumstances. History, if appropropriately recorded in a just and honest means, should be given credence and the weight of the analysis that existed at the time. However, if you and I, all who seek the grand truth of the events of history of our own, do in fact, discover facts and aspects that do not cleanly fit with the chosen written history, it seems incumbent upon ourselves to affirm the truth........or,....to correct the events, to reflect the real truth.
We have brought forth this issue because of some of the discovered facts that there are many, many facts about what happened to our anscestors with the Mdewakanton Dakota Sioux, well before the defining times of the 1886-1889 Wolfchild considerations.
It is important that we know all we can that occurred at the turning of the tide on the whole of the Indian policy toward the Mdewakanton peoples in the tragic events of 1862. To look, to see, to know, what the circumstances were back, and before, those events, is so important to how we can perceive what our anscestors actually encountered.
Therefore, we need to encourage those that have the skills and the drive and dedication, to continue to search and to discover those important details of that yet unknown or undiscovered history, that will allow the rest of us to understand the reality.....150 years later. It is never too late to know what needs to be known. It is never too late to be able to celebrate the discovery of family facts that may help some of us to reach a sense of earthly realization of connection to our spiritual roots. It is never too late to expend your mind energy to think beyond the borders of which you have been taught, to seek beyond what is written or what you have been told, to seek that which we know is out there and which is yet untold.
The door of history is never closed.......there are those out there that would tell you that that is true.......don't believe them. The door of history has hinges that allow those that are brave enough, to push through, to step into the other side of the unwritten history that exists on the other side once your human hands and your inquisitive mind push through those barriers.
It is our time. It is our task. It is our duty. We must act. We cannot afford to wait.......our moral souls and hearts should not let us wait. THE story needs to be told. It needs to be told by us. It needs to be told with bold voices and with strong words, based upon all that we will, (in my mind) inevitably, find.
I was given a great gift recently by a wonderful family friend. He thought enough of our quest, that he ventured to our GGFather's grave near Montevideo, Minnesota. He gave me a short crop of the natural switchgrass that grew upon my anscestors grave.....to pass to me part of the Earth that has sprung from the very Earth where our beloved had been laid to rest so many years ago, overlooking the grand Minnesota River. I am looking at that sprout of grass now as I write.......
These are important things now, more than ever. I feel that our quests, individually and collectively, have a place in the history that will be written and told about us that now live.
Keep going.......keep discovering......keep believing.
I can only now think that our strength is derived by those that have passed before and those that want us all to strive to fight for the history and truth of history, for them.........
I can smell the grass on the knoll of the hill of my GGfather's final resting place........it smells of promise and release.....it smells of truth and........ultimate justice, for us......and, for them.
The journey is long, we know. The journey is just. Trust yourselves to do what is right.
Thanks again for listening and reading......and believing.

Your friend

Jazzdog

[lakotasiouxwicasa]

In my discussions with a BIA officicial of unresolved claims against the United States for the Loss of Lands East of the Mississippi is still in question and it has never been litigated. Also the individuals who did not get a payment from the Mississippi Sioux Judgement fund can file claims. The issue would be to get a complete Administrative Copy from the BIA and have an attorney analyze the case and then proceed from there!!

[hermin1]

Feb 15, 2008 10:37:31 GMT -5 allie said:

In my readings, I came across where the Mdewakanton (possibly other bands as well) hunting grounds were on the east side of the Mississippi in the early 1800's. But as the wasicu moved westward, they encroached upon their land. So they were pushed across the Mississippi onto whose land? The Sisseton, Whapeton, Whapekute land...... As Dakota people, the bands would have shared because of the encroachment from the east. Isn't their a treaty map that states whose land was where at that time?
Allie

dear allie:
Yes there is a map that shows the lands that were ceded by the treaties before 1862. I have it in my files. I will find it and post it.
Update:
I found the map and Iposted it in this section of threads.