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Post by Donna on May 6, 2010 10:28:22 GMT -5
A few years ago I took a class through Ancestry about "How to Research Indian Ancestors" It really helped me out with all the research I did for people around Brule and Buffalo Co.
There was a part on how to figure the degree of blood line. I have misplaced it and have need of it again. I wasn't smart enougn to remember the directions on how to figure it. I filed it away in one of my many files just can't figure out where.
Does anyone know how to figure it out? I could really use your help. Thanks, Donna
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Post by wakanhotain on May 10, 2010 11:58:19 GMT -5
Donna: I see no one replied to your question. I feel qualified because I am a carpentry / cabinet making instructor. The degree of blood is read just like a ruler. 4/4 = full, 1/2, 1/4. All Dakota/ Lakota tribes recognize each others blood degree. When some one has a child from an outside tribe then the blood degree goes from 1/2 to 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64. So you find children enrolled 9/64. Naturally 8/64 = 1/4, the lowest degree of blood. Hope this helps. Louie
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Post by Donna on May 10, 2010 21:05:28 GMT -5
Donna: I see no one replied to your question. I feel qualified because I am a carpentry / cabinet making instructor. The degree of blood is read just like a ruler. 4/4 = full, 1/2, 1/4. All Dakota/ Lakota tribes recognize each others blood degree. When some one has a child from an outside tribe then the blood degree goes from 1/2 to 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64. So you find children enrolled 9/64. Naturally 8/64 = 1/4, the lowest degree of blood. Hope this helps. Louie Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me. I really needed an answer. How does it change when you have, example: French man marries a full blood, their son marries the daughter of a full blood who marries a white man. What would their child be? That's the part that confuses me terribly. Thanks for your help.
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Post by wakanhotain on May 11, 2010 8:40:07 GMT -5
Donna: A non-Indian marries a full blood = the boy would be 1/2 indian. He in turn marries a full blood = a girl 3/4 Indian. She in turn marries a non-Indian = child 3/8 Indian and 5/8 white. Later, Louie
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Post by urbansister1 on May 19, 2010 12:33:24 GMT -5
Louie, Question than, if my gggrandmother was full blooded Sioux and I married a man that is 1/4 Sioux. What would my children be considered? Sioux
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Post by wakanhotain on May 19, 2010 17:05:58 GMT -5
It is not possible to determine the degree of Indian blood with the information you have supplied. You mention your gggrandmother- did these women marry 4/4 Indian? I/4 Indian parent produces a 1/8 Indian child plus half the blood of the other parent. Huntkatanka = great Cormorant (where did you get this east stuff from?) All the other names are misspelled. I forgot to attach the names in the texts above so I will have return with the translations later. Perhaps someone else can get to these names before I can. Toksta ake wacinyankin kta do. Louie
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Post by urbansister1 on May 19, 2010 17:40:29 GMT -5
My gggrandmother(Full blooded) married a white man. Until me, no one else married a native man/woman and had children with him/her that I know of. The father of my children is 1/4 Sioux.
There were postings on Oyate Research, under Santee relatives from 2007. All of these names were written in this manner on the postings. So I am only going from information I saw on here. Most of the postings say that the people are related to them in some way. So I assumed they were correct from their research. Is there some way for me to find out the true spellings?
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Post by wakanhotain on May 20, 2010 16:17:47 GMT -5
Urbansister1: Your children are 1/8 Dakota not Sioux. The Sioux term is not politically correct. Your GGgrandmother can not be counted unless you proof of blood degree.
Anpodutawin = Scarlet Dawn Woman Candisotawin = Tobacco Smoke Woman Mahpiyasawin = Red Sky Woman
The other names I can't make out. if you read them from an old ledger the handwriting is probably very fancy such as you mistook the "y" in the last name above for a "g". Toksta ake, Louie
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Post by urbansister1 on May 21, 2010 10:31:16 GMT -5
Louie, My sons father was Lakota and I am Dakota. I probably should have said that, insteads of saying Sioux. Sorry. We do have proof of my GGgrandmothers blood decree of being full. She is registered with the Santee Nebraska tribe and the papers given to me are from the tribal enrollment. Which states full.
Thank you for the translations. I double checked the spelling I saw in the past posts, that's how they were spelt. I am sure in the trickle down effect of information, things get changed or are not correctly translated. I will continue to try to research more on the names and try to get an accurate a count. Thank you for letting me know that most of them are wrong in someway. S.Crawford
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Post by ftpeckpabaksa on May 22, 2010 17:26:14 GMT -5
Hello. I once saw a chart of blood degree. Like the mother name on top and her blood degree and the father name on the side and his blood degree and u just go to the point that they meet. I am curious about the degree of blood, like a chart which the B.I.A. uses? can anyone wrangle one up and post it. I would like to have one to always use as a reference.
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Post by Donna on May 25, 2010 21:40:23 GMT -5
Donna: A non-Indian marries a full blood = the boy would be 1/2 indian. He in turn marries a full blood = a girl 3/4 Indian. She in turn marries a non-Indian = child 3/8 Indian and 5/8 white. Later, Louie Thanks Louie. I'm glad to see more people had questions. You helped me a lot...got my brain thinking again... Donna
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Post by DawnDay on May 30, 2010 0:20:46 GMT -5
Urbansister1: Your children are 1/8 Dakota not Sioux. The Sioux term is not politically correct. Your GGgrandmother can not be counted unless you proof of blood degree. Anpodutawin = Scarlet Dawn Woman Candisotawin = Tobacco Smoke Woman Mahpiyasawin = Red Sky Woman The other names I can't make out. if you read them from an old ledger the handwriting is probably very fancy such as you mistook the "y" in the last name above for a "g". Toksta ake, Louie Native Americans from all over were called Indians until recently as 1970's, the people that the French called Sioux rebelled against the Reservation System and against the US in general. Their rebellion spawned several books on the subject, including "Custer Died for Your Sins" and "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. Okay, could someone tell me when it became Politically incorrect to use the word Sioux, I'm allot older than most of you and my Father before me used the word Sioux to say who we were, the Lakota, Nakota & Dakota I thought was just the dialect we used in the different area's of So. Dak., according to the above article I copied I would be proud to say I was a Sioux because I would have rebelled against the Reservation system at that time also. So I sure hope no one tells me I am being politically incorrect in saying I am Sioux blood, because I am from Crow Creek Reservation and technically Nakota dialect. Can anyone else explain to me in better terms? Just wondering who & what made the distinction of who I am to call myself after all these years....... I am Dawnday
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Post by DawnDay on May 31, 2010 13:24:58 GMT -5
I got this message from my cousin Joyzelle in answer to my question. Thought I would share with you also my Brothers and Sisters on Oyate.
The South Dakota Indian Tribes have the word "Sioux" as a part of their offical name, i.e. Oglala Sioux Tribe, Crow Creek Sioux, Cheyenne River Sioux, Rosebud Sioux, etc. What we call ourselves is generational based, older Indians like you and I call ourselves "Sioux" and younger people, after the AIM influen...ce, refer to themselves by the dialect their tribe speaks. Tribes west of the Missouri speak "L" (Lakota), those of us who are from east of the river speak "D" (Dakota) and according to the Ella Deloria material the Santee in Neb, Minn. and parts of northern SD are the "N" (Nakota) speakers. We should not apologize to anyone for being older and calling ourselves Sioux. Things and names will change when "they" get older and then they too will be wondering what the h-- happened and when.
Dawnday
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Post by tibbetsfrazier on Oct 4, 2010 15:11:18 GMT -5
Simple mathmatics (fractions) determine blood degree. I have called myself Sioux all my life. Not likely to change now, though my husband (a white Dutchman) calls me Lakota. My blood includes Santee and (I think)Yankton, likely others too. Am still working on my fathers bloodlines. I know degrees, but not tribes.
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Post by hermin1 on May 5, 2013 8:36:26 GMT -5
urbansister1: your gggrandmother was full blood or 1/1. she marries a white man. your ggrand parent would be 1/2 Sioux as the offspring get 1/2 of the genes from each parent. your grgrandparent then marries a white. their childfrn, your grandparents, would then be 1/4 sioux,3/4 white. your grandparent then marries a white/ their children would then be 1/8 sioux, 7/8 white. your parent marriesa white. you would be 1/16 Sioux, 15/16 white. you marry a 1/4 blood sioux,your children would be 5/32 Sioux,not 1/8.
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Post by Rosemarie williams on Aug 23, 2015 1:53:26 GMT -5
I recently attended a gathering and i said my father was half sioux the gentleman informed me that my father was half Lakota and sioux was the white mans name for the indian. My father only shared that his mother was sioux and his father was welch. My father was born in 1903 by a river her ran away at age 13 because his father was abusive alcoholic. A death certificate state's denton montana and a mothers name i dont recall at the moment does anyone know what tribe actually resided in denton montana in 1903???
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Post by simonchipmunk on Aug 24, 2015 16:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by Trying to figure out blood lin on Apr 9, 2016 0:27:32 GMT -5
Donna: A non-Indian marries a full blood = the boy would be 1/2 indian. He in turn marries a full blood = a girl 3/4 Indian. She in turn marries a non-Indian = child 3/8 Indian and 5/8 white. Later, Louie I am currently trying to figure all this out. So if one has a 4th great grandmother who is full Yankton Sioux and a grandfather who was a full canadian frenchman, what percentage would that make me?
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 21, 2016 23:39:56 GMT -5
Determining the blood quantum is based on genetics involved in human sexual reproduction. the male sperm has 46 chromosomes, as does the female ovum. when the two combine, the offspring(fetus)inherits half of his father's chromosomes and half of his mother's chromosomes. for example, full blood male 4/4(46 chromosomes)+ fullblood female 4/4(46 chromosomes)produce a child that is also full blood or 4/4. let's say the male is 1/2 white, 1/2 Santee and so is the female.their offspring will have 23chromosomes of which 1/4 are from the the white parent, 1/4 are from the female parent,of the father, and 23 chromosomes of which 1/4 is from the white parent and 1/4 from the other parent, of the mother. At the time of fertilization, the fetus receives 1/2 from each parent, and it will be 1/2 white and 1/2 Santee.
If the offspring then marries a full blood Santee, the offspring will inherit 1/2 from the one parent,of which 1/4 will be white and 1/4 will be Santee, and 1/2 from the female(full blood).their offspring will then be 3/4 Santee(1/4 from the father and 1/2 from the mother),and 1/4 white(1/4 from the father. one may ask,what happens to the other 23 chromosomes of each parent? Well, they are absorbed into the body.
So you need to know the blood quantum of each ethnic component(s)of each of the parents in order to figure the blood quantum of the offspring,because at conception,the child will receive 1/2 of each ethnic component from its father,and half of each ethnic component from the mother.
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Post by isabella on May 10, 2017 23:40:00 GMT -5
i have a question and i need a answer my sons father is part of a native american tribe but is also Apache and Cherokee how do i find out if my son is eligible for enrollment through the indian tribe?
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